Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT) Subject: No.19 Date:- 03 April 2001 1================================================ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 00:29:44 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] Power Consumption Isn't interesting how things get twisted. Yes I agree about the atmosphere thingy but my motives for the original post were less noble:- the cost of running a computer 24x7 is *not* insignificant. I have 3 computers now that are 24x7 & probably more to come, being in a share house, my housemates are questioning the electricity cost of running computers 24x7. Quite a reasonable question actually. They obtain benefit from the 24x7 infrastructure, for a mere peppercorn rate, but there is no need to *waste* electricity when for little effort energy consumption can be reduced. Now our discussion thread scales to small business:- what if you've got 10 or 20 computers? Buy a $25 timer during installation, save $50-75/year per computer. Perhaps David's friend could loan me a recording wattmeter so I can "read the bastard", & save a few electrons in ListServ posts. Hell, if I can save $50-60 year on electricity, I can buy some great bottles of wine! > SNIP > > Hmmm! It is interesting sometimes to have a look at the crap some folk > like > to indulge in. Perhaps they were not serious in this case, but all the > same, if I wanted to find out the average power consumption of an > appliance, > I would engage a recording watt meter and read the bastard. In the > overall > case, what really matters is the amount of energy units that are pulled > out > of the ground by the electric company and how many resultant pollution > units > that are released into the atmosphere as a result of their pursuit. I > somehow don't think that a few micro energy spikes on a computer are > going > to make a hell of a difference. > -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 2================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 07:50:04 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Power Consumption Hi Daryl >They obtain benefit from the 24x7 infrastructure, for a mere peppercorn >rate, but there is no need to *waste* electricity when for little effort >energy consumption can be reduced. make one computer the server, use a P166 or lower as your firewall. Generally speaking, niether computer requires a CDROM, or FD's, also, put plain ISA graphics cards in them, pull out anything else (or disconnect) anything not needed for normal operation. None of my servers have CDROM's, and the only cards installed inthem now are the networks cards, only the firewall has a 1Mb SVGA ISA card, youd be amazed at the savings in 24/7 energy consumption. Also, you dont require a suped up machine for your server, PII's, especially the PIII's below 600Mhz suck a fair bit of juice. I find a good P166 or 486DX4-100 is more than up to the task, or are you runing WinNt ;-) Cheers Ian B Manners 3================================================ From: "Steve Edmonds" Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:39:37 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Power Consumption Cost of ownership. This is also a contributing factor in gaining popularity of the transmeta chips. If you can reduce the cost of ownership, why not. (But if all people thought like this Bill would be broke). >Yes I agree about the atmosphere thingy but my motives for the original >post were less noble:- the cost of running a computer 24x7 is *not* >insignificant. steve _______________ Steve Edmonds Steve71atattglobal dot net 4================================================ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:26:19 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] Power Consumption Hi Ian, Thanks for the tips. Guess who's got a CD-ROM & floppy in their gateway! My interim gateway is a Celeron 433MHz SCSI, (!). I have an IDT Winchip 200MHz & PC Chips M571 motherboard earmarked for the gateway. The motherboard has an embedded 64bit GUI accelerator video, do you think it is worth the trouble to disable it & put in an ISA card? It will be using an 3Com 10MB ISA NIC to the ADSL modem & an Intel 100MB PCI NIC to the intranet. Servers Ian Manners wrote: > > Hi Daryl > > >They obtain benefit from the 24x7 infrastructure, for a mere peppercorn > >rate, but there is no need to *waste* electricity when for little effort > >energy consumption can be reduced. > > make one computer the server, use a P166 or lower as your > firewall. > > Generally speaking, niether computer requires a CDROM, > or FD's, also, put plain ISA graphics cards in them, pull > out anything else (or disconnect) anything not needed > for normal operation. > > None of my servers have CDROM's, and the only > cards installed inthem now are the networks cards, > only the firewall has a 1Mb SVGA ISA card, youd > be amazed at the savings in 24/7 energy consumption. > > Also, you dont require a suped up machine for your > server, PII's, especially the PIII's below 600Mhz > suck a fair bit of juice. I find a good P166 or 486DX4-100 > is more than up to the task, or are you runing WinNt ;-) > > Cheers > Ian B Manners > -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) END================================================