Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT) Subject: No. 21 Date:- 05 April 2001 1================================================ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 04:09:01 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: [os2genau] Archiving Nutscrape Mail I'd like to archive my mail folder in Nutscrape. How do I do it? -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 2================================================ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 06:55:54 -0400 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] And the Convienience Pack I have, but that's internal of course. If you check the website address I gave the group, you'll see it says existing subscibers are being sent the Convienience pack. I suspect this is a BIG job and will take some time, but if you think you've missed out, contact the IBM Business Partner who sold you the Software Choice or Passport registration and have them chase it up on your behalf. Ed. Ian Manners wrote: > > Hmm, yes > > Talking about convenience packs, anyone who has SWC > got theres yet ? > > Cheers > Optimistic Me > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 3================================================ From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 07:24:45 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] And the Convienience Pack I received mine about 2 weeks ago.... Warp Convenience pack (basically warp 4.5 *without* VTD - a pity cause this is my main use! 3 Discs of SW Choice On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:35:23 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: >Hmm, yes > >Talking about convenience packs, anyone who has SWC >got theres yet ? > >Cheers >Optimistic Me > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >================================================ Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist Smart Road Specialist Centre Modbury SA 5092 61 8 8265 4022 (Voice) 61 8 8386 1795 (Fax) gnatsmart-road dot com dot au 4================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:26:44 +0900 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] SIG Report for March Meeting OS/2 SIG Meeting Report for March 2001 by John Angelico 9544 8792 (with copy to the SIG members) We began our March meeting with a shortage of people as compared to previous months, and we were not the only SIG to experience this phenomenon. Was it the ending of Daylight Saving? The sudden change in the weather? Nuclear Tests? The absence of Nuclear Tests? The fall in the Australian dollar? We may never know... In total about a dozen faithful OS/2ers could be present and we occupied ourselves usefully in compiling a list of current OS/2 links in the form of a page for the SIG Web Site. By the end of the evening we had built a substantial page of confirmed links, with more to be added. We also had an additional set of links to be investigated, and suggestions for more pages (developers, multimedia etc) to come. We had some interesting discussion about whether to sub-divide the entries into categories, and eventually decided to build a table with free-form notes to aid searchers. The end result will be put into the SIG web site shortly, as the base page for more links in the future. We also outlined plans for next month's meeting which we expect will be on Lotus Notes. We have an enthusiastic evangelist for Notes in the SIG and we are presently working on a presentation for April. Ever wondered what the Lotus Notes Client CD in the Warp 4 box was for? Well, come along to the next meeting and find out. You may discover that it's the best thing since OS/2 (which is the best thing since sliced bread in the computer world, right?), and the most powerful database known to intelligent man. So, make a note to be at the meeting on April 24th! Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Good judgment comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgment. 5================================================ From: "P. Jenkins" Subject: Re: [os2genau] SIG Report for March Meeting Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:57:57 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Is this meeting Melbourne or Adelaide ? Peter at Port Pirie 6================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 11:20:00 +0900 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions Hi everybody! I have two questions to throw into the ring 1. Powerpoint Viewer I believe there is a Win 3.1 aka Win-OS2 free viewer available from the Dark Side (similar to the MS-Word Viewer) for viewing those horribly large Powerpoint presentation files. Does anyone know where to find it (apart from Hobbes where I will search next time I connect). I have been sent a PPE file and Lotus Freelance Graphics won't open it. 2. Launchpad As a result of some funny business on my Drive D: which I have now resolved (I think), I have a Launchpad with those Green & White Question Mark symbols for buttons which can't find an object. NB: This is not the standard "Broken Link" symbol and I can't delete the rotten things. Does anyone recall this problem from Warp 3 days, and does anyone have a solution? Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Oh, no! Not *ANOTHER* learning experience! 7================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:15:32 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions Hi John >1. Powerpoint Viewer >I believe there is a Win 3.1 aka Win-OS2 free viewer available from >the Dark Side (similar to the MS-Word Viewer) for viewing those >horribly large Powerpoint presentation files. Does anyone know where >to find it (apart from Hobbes where I will search next time I >connect). Its called Star Office ;-) Seriously though I've heard there is a simple view to but havent been able to find it, I only tried for about 60 seconds though before remembering that StarOffice can view them ok. >2. Launchpad >As a result of some funny business on my Drive D: which I have now >resolved (I think), I have a Launchpad with those Green & White >Question Mark symbols for buttons which can't find an object. NB: >This is not the standard "Broken Link" symbol and I can't delete the >rotten things. Gee, your forcing me to think back a lot of years ! >Does anyone recall this problem from Warp 3 days, and does anyone >have a solution? To long ago, have you tried unimaint, or checkini to find and replace broken objects ? Cheers Ian B Manners 8================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:35:38 +0900 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] SIG Report for March Meeting On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:57:57 +0930, P. Jenkins wrote: >Is this meeting Melbourne or Adelaide ? >Peter at Port Pirie > Sorry everybody - this was the OS/2 SIG of MelbPC user group in Melbourne. Wer haven't taken over South Aust...yet Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- 9================================================ Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions From: "Craig Brookes" Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:42:22 +1000 > resolved (I think), I have a Launchpad with those Green & White > Question Mark symbols for buttons which can't find an object. NB: Drag the object to the shredder. Craig 10================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:47:42 +0900 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:15:32 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: >Hi John Hi Ian and all. >>1. Powerpoint Viewer >>I believe there is a Win 3.1 aka Win-OS2 free viewer available from >>the Dark Side (similar to the MS-Word Viewer) for viewing those >>horribly large Powerpoint presentation files. Does anyone know where >>to find it (apart from Hobbes where I will search next time I >>connect). I had no luck at Hobbes (sigh - that's rare) > >Its called Star Office ;-) >Seriously though I've heard there is a simple view to but havent >been able to find it, I only tried for about 60 seconds though >before remembering that StarOffice can view them ok. I have an aversion to SO taking over my carefully crafted and extremely messy desktop, my disk space and my memory just to view an occasional PPE file... Is there no easier/smaller solution....? >>2. Launchpad >>As a result of some funny business on my Drive D: which I have now >>resolved (I think), I have a Launchpad with those Green & White >>Question Mark symbols for buttons which can't find an object. NB: >>This is not the standard "Broken Link" symbol and I can't delete the >>rotten things. > >Gee, your forcing me to think back a lot of years ! You and me both! > >>Does anyone recall this problem from Warp 3 days, and does anyone >>have a solution? > >To long ago, have you tried unimaint, or checkini to find and >replace broken objects ? I've done a number of checkini runs to clear the basic problem which caused this. However, this is not the simple missing links stuff any more. And I am careful about putting new stuff onto the Launchpad now. I'm glad it's mostly a stable environment here. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a 11================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 14:56:31 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Power Consumption Hi Daryl >My interim gateway is a Celeron 433MHz SCSI, (!). Dont forget that SCSI's are fast, and I love all SCSI but they are powerhogs. >I have an IDT Winchip 200MHz & PC Chips M571 motherboard earmarked for >the gateway. >The motherboard has an embedded 64bit GUI accelerator video, do you >think it is worth the trouble to disable it & put in an ISA card? I'd just use the onboard one but enable the min time power setting in your CMOS setup. >It will be using an 3Com 10MB ISA NIC to the ADSL modem & an Intel 100MB >PCI NIC to the intranet. Good choices, especially the intel, I prefer a smart NIC myself and I've had no problems with the intel NIC's, definetly faster than the realtek based cards, and excellent for 486 gateways as they tend todo the grunt work on the card itself, not expect the PC CPU to do some of the work. Cheers Ian B Manners 12================================================ From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 15:35:51 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Hi Ed can you fill me in on the new Browser called WeB Browser for OS/2?? Its not a free feature! I am able to access it (SWC subscription) but is it OK!! ?? And it mentions Java 1.3?? Is the new replacement for Netscape eventually and what about Mozilla?? On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 11:57:43 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Please give me the name of the "IBM Technician" who told you the fairy tale >about IBM stopping OS/2 support. > >I used to work in IBM Adelaide and I'd like to put this person as well as >yourselves right on the matter. > >IBM have a published policy on OS/2 support over the next 5 years. Basically >support is received is you take out a support contract (software choice). This >is documented in a PDF file available on the web. We keep seeing new >developments for OS/2. The new Browser (Equivalent of Netscape 6) was released >two days ago, as was a new HTTP (Web) server for OS/2. So IBM ARE still >developing for OS/2 and obviously supporting these developments as well as >the base OS. > > It could be that "Free" support is being stopped. This is not unusual. How much >do you want to get for your $250 ?? Microsoft, Novell, Sun etc. all do the same. > >The New Convienience Pack version of OS/2 Warp Client (released about 6 weeks >ago) is definately fully supported. Have you tried getting support for Windows 3.1 >NT 3.51 or even Windows 95 from Microsoft lately ?? > >Regards, > >Ed Durrant. > >P.S. Please be careful posting such "rumours" to news lists, they spread like wildfire. > > >e.howardatwriteme dot com wrote: > >> Hi All, >> Saddest news, when talking to one of the IBM technical support persons, in >> Adelaide, yesterday. IBM has stopped support for OS/2, as of Jan31, 2001. >> Support for OS/2 Server for e-business continues. >> On the other hand Netscape 6.01 for OS/2 should be relased soon. >> >> In spite of the above, I think I will continue to use Warp4 until the candles >> blow out. It is the best OS I have experienced, although Linux (SuSE) is now >> running a second best. >> >> On another subject: Who has, or can point me onto where to get, the "Fisetup" >> files required to install Java. ( This is how I got to Adelaide Tech dept.) >> >> All the best >> >> Edward >> >> p.s. Perhaps we should all send a note of distress to Lou Getzner! >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> e.howardatwriteme dot com >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >> ================================================ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >================================================ Graham Norton President OS2 Users Group SA 13================================================ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:43:41 -0400 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Hi graham, Hi all, I have downloaded but not yet installed the IBM Browser/2 however I believe it to be the GA (Nerd term for release version) of the OS/2 Port of Mozilla, which IBM has been heavily helping with the development of over the last year. It is the equivalent of Netscape 6 for Windows. I have the Warpzilla version in and working and it doesn't surprise me that a release version has now come out as the code's ben prety stable for a while now. The IBM "variant" is packaged with a Macromedia Flash plugin and I "believe" it can support most if not all plug-ins that work with NS 4.61 (but don't shoot me if I get this one wrong). It is designed to run with JAVA 2 (in IBM terms Java V 1.3 - why? dont ask me) and I believe it may have problems with Java 1.1.8. That said I use the Warpzilla version with Java 118 so I guess it's going to be a try it and see. JAVA 2 is the way forward but I get the feeling that we should perhaps only try it out on non-essential systems for the time being. There is a problem with LVM (The FDISK replacement fot JFS) it's a Java app and wont run with Java 2. There's also supposed to be some Java Plugin ? still to come for the new browser. I don't know if this means that java applets won't work at the moment? Again the Warpzilla port doesn't seem to have any problems. I think I may install this new browser on my Warp Convienience pack test partition as it's running Java 2 already. I'll report back my findings. I wonder if anyone can produce a uniquely Australian "skin"for the new browser ? Cheers, Ed. Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > > Hi Ed > > can you fill me in on the new Browser called WeB Browser for OS/2?? Its not a > free feature! I am able to access it (SWC subscription) but is it OK!! ?? 14================================================ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:35:23 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions John Angelico schreef: > I have an aversion to SO taking over my carefully crafted and > extremely messy desktop, my disk space and my memory just to view an > occasional PPE file... > According to local rumours here a Russion team is working now on Staroffice/2 version 6.0 . Version 6.00 won't have that superimposed desktop anymore, but separate *.exe for each of the components, just as the other "normal" suites. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris 15================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:41:47 +0900 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:42:22 +1000, Craig Brookes wrote: > > >> resolved (I think), I have a Launchpad with those Green & White >> Question Mark symbols for buttons which can't find an object. NB: > >Drag the object to the shredder. > Craig. Bewdy son! That did it! The hardest part of the job was finding the blinking Shredder... I don't keep it on the Desktop - no point really: it's too crowded as it is... Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Generic tagline. Suitable for everyday use. 16================================================ From: "Gavin Miller" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:12:32 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Launchpad & Powerpoint Questions Howdy John, I would have to agree with Craig. Drag the objects off and shred them. It doesn't take much time to replace, possible even less time than trying to find and fix broken objects. Gee....I haven't used Warp3 in years. I might load it back on sometime. P.S. I've had this happen to the Warp centre once as well, but that was my fault. Cheers. G.M. 17================================================ From: "Steve Edmonds" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:17:54 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] os/2 future Hi all, I saw a post considering options for non-commercial users of os/2. I've been with os/2 since 2.1, consider it the best desktop available but unsure if I will take the SWC avenue. I run 3 os/2 pc's in engineering with various mixed apps which I wouldn't consider risking win on. I can run it till it dies, and that may be a few yrs yet, I'm running linux servers, the desctop is inproving, its cheap and robust, and porting from my os/2 and dos apps isn't too bad. I have considered apples osx at us$ 129. The kids will probably never use os/2, linux is a little beyond them yet but they could use osx and I'd rather buy them macs than winboxes for school. The doom and gloom's a bit depressing, the userbase and mainstream applications seem to be slipping but the community is strong. Cheer me with some rumours for advancement with SWC and ecomstation. steve _______________ Steve Edmonds Steve71atattglobal dot net 18================================================ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:48:26 -0400 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2 Having just installed the new IBM Browser for Os/2 (the Gekko based one). I actually read the readme. The required plugin/modification for the browser to work with JAVA V 1.3 (aka JAVA 2) is included in Service Release 7 of JAVA 1.3. An update to SR7 happened just a couple of days ago, so the correct version of JAVA is also now on SWC. Ed. 19================================================ From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:41:04 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2 Ed does that mean it will *only* work with Java 1.3 or will it work with lesser versions 1.1.8?? On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:48:26 -0400, Ed Durrant wrote: >Having just installed the new IBM Browser for Os/2 (the Gekko based >one). I >actually read the readme. The required plugin/modification for the >browser to >work with JAVA V 1.3 (aka JAVA 2) is included in Service Release 7 of >JAVA 1.3. >An update to SR7 happened just a couple of days ago, so the correct >version of >JAVA is also now on SWC. > >Ed. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >================================================ > Graham Norton President OS2 Users Group SA END================================================