Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT) Subject: No. 25 Date:- 09 April 2001 1================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:09:59 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings OK, lets summarize the outcome of this thread. The original question was intended to promote discussion & provide a definitive answer to this question. I think this has been achieved. The final answer takes into account some technical & political limitations & as such is a sensible compromise of providing practical information whilst attempting to conform to Standards. 1) All TZ variable change times are referenced to the non-daylight saving time. 2) The daylight saving code really needs 4 characters, but only 3 are allowed. EDT, CDT, WDT are all non-standard but are an informative 3 character compromise. 3) To most people the finer points of the TZ variable are academic, however, 24x7 systems, like databases need to compensate for the change. The TZ variable is critical for these systems. NSW: TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 or TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 VIC: TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 or TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 SA: TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 or TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 2================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 07:23:45 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings And How does TZ alow for special time zone changes such as the Olympic Time Zone that we have just come out of in NSW ?? Perhaps we should switch from Beers to water or coffee, I can hardly read the screen now !! Ed. Daryl Pilkington wrote: > > Hi Ed, Chris, Ian, Leigh, Graham, > > This would be a fascinating topic to discuss over quite a few beers, > perhaps I'll just email a picture of what I've already drunk to this > threads participants. 3================================================ From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 07:26:36 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Internet Connection Daryl as you know using INJOY and the (NAT and IP forwarding ) I can access the Internet on the LAN via the machine that has INJOY and the modem running from any and all of the PC on the network (running os2) ... big question,... can I do this with a windows 95/98/NT box on the newtwork? Warp Server? On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:09:59 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote: >OK, lets summarize the outcome of this thread. > >The original question was intended to promote discussion & provide a >definitive answer to this question. >I think this has been achieved. > >The final answer takes into account some technical & political >limitations & as such is a sensible compromise of providing practical >information whilst attempting to conform to Standards. > >1) >All TZ variable change times are referenced to the non-daylight saving >time. > >2) >The daylight saving code really needs 4 characters, but only 3 are >allowed. >EDT, CDT, WDT are all non-standard but are an informative 3 character >compromise. > >3) >To most people the finer points of the TZ variable are academic, >however, 24x7 systems, like databases need to compensate for the change. >The TZ variable is critical for these systems. > >NSW: >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 >or >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 > >VIC: >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 >or >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 > >SA: >TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 >or >TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 > >-- >Regards, > >Daryl Pilkington > >//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration >O\_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > ICQ: 91914134 > Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 > Mob: +61-425-251-300 > Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 > Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au > (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >================================================ Graham Norton President OS2 Users Group SA 4================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:02:59 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Internet Connection Yes You can - (I done it with Injpy diler before and I'm doing it now with Injoy Firewall). Simply configure the IP address of your firewall box as the default router/gatewayon the windoze box and away you go ! Ed. Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > > Daryl > > as you know using INJOY and the (NAT and IP forwarding ) I can access the > Internet on the LAN via the machine that has INJOY and the modem running from > any and all of the PC on the network (running os2) ... big question,... can I do this with > a windows 95/98/NT box on the newtwork? Warp Server? > > On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 01:09:59 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote: > > >OK, lets summarize the outcome of this thread. > > > >The original question was intended to promote discussion & provide a > >definitive answer to this question. > >I think this has been achieved. > > > >The final answer takes into account some technical & political > >limitations & as such is a sensible compromise of providing practical > >information whilst attempting to conform to Standards. > > > >1) > >All TZ variable change times are referenced to the non-daylight saving > >time. > > > >2) > >The daylight saving code really needs 4 characters, but only 3 are > >allowed. > >EDT, CDT, WDT are all non-standard but are an informative 3 character > >compromise. > > > >3) > >To most people the finer points of the TZ variable are academic, > >however, 24x7 systems, like databases need to compensate for the change. > >The TZ variable is critical for these systems. > > > >NSW: > >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > >or > >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 > > > >VIC: > >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > >or > >TZ=EST-10EDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 > > > >SA: > >TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > >or > >TZ=CST-9:30CDT,10,4,0,7200,3,4,0,7200,3600 > > > >-- > >Regards, > > > >Daryl Pilkington > > > >//// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration > >O >\_/ > > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > > ICQ: 91914134 > > Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 > > Mob: +61-425-251-300 > > Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 > > Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au > > (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > >================================================ > > Graham Norton > President > OS2 Users Group SA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 5================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:29:58 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] TZ settings It didn't. The TZ parameters for each state for the 2000-2001 year were all over the place, each state was different. You would have to manually change the TZ variable for your computer, based on whatever you State Government had decided to do. Ed Durrant wrote: > > And How does TZ alow for special time zone changes such as the Olympic > Time > Zone that we have just come out of in NSW ?? > > Perhaps we should switch from Beers to water or coffee, I can hardly > read > the screen now !! > > Ed. > SNIP > -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 6================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:57:55 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] non-admin list message Hi everyone In the interest of easier reading, could we please edit out reply emails to take out non relevent material, makes it a lot easier, and quicker to read the email, makes a big difference to those of us who do receive a lot of email. Thanks (with a smile) Cheers Ian B Manners 7================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:55:24 -0500 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] New IBM Browser/2 As promised I have installed the new IBM Browser (aka Netscape 6.01 or Mozilla/Warpzilla 5) As the browser is optimised for use with JAVA 2 (IBM Java v 1.3), I also changed from JAVA 1.1.8 to Java 1.3 Service release 7 (SR7 includes the required support for this browser). The doco says that if you install JAVA 1.3 and you are using TCP/IP V 4.3, you will no longer be able to use the graphical TCP/IP configuration utility - TCPCFG2. What it doesn't say is that the same problem occurs if you using TCP/IP V 4.21 (as comes in Warp Server for E-Business). Also during install of the new IBM Web Server, it will not install SSL Security support unless you are running TCP/IP V 4.3. So at the moment, it's best to brush up on your command line tcp/ip configuration skills and install TCP/IP V 4.3 prior to installing either the new browser or new web server. My first impressions of the new Browser are good. I am sending this email from the in-built mail client, so far without problems. I have also "surfed" to several sites without problems and read incoming e-mails. There are some changes in configuration such as configuration of the email client which is no longer in the general preferences but rather in a new "mail/news account settings" tht appears in the edit pull down when you're in Browser/2. I have not found the Skins option yet - that is in the Warpzilla version. This may have been removed I supposed, as the present look and feel is like the Netscape 4.61 that we know. There is an option in preferences to switches the browser from "classic" (NS 4.61 like) to "blue" or "modern" the latter two being X-Windows like. The program seems slow - especially running it on my 225MHz Cyrix M-II system. I suspect this is also true of the Windows version though. I'll only be able to give a true comparison on speed when I install on my Celeron 433 System, where I normally run Netsacpe 4.61 from. I haven't tried Composer yet, so perhaps more on that later. For now the product seems stable and if indeed it does support the new features that it claims to, we're back in line with the Windoze NS 6 versions. - aryl, I believe you said there were some Websites that you thought wouldn't work with this browser / Java version combination, can you give me those and I'll see if they are still a problem. Regards to all Ed Durrant. 8================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:47:40 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] New IBM Browser/2 Forgot to mention in the earlier report - Netscape 4.6 Plugins are supposed to work with Browser/2. The readme says simply copy the DLLs from the NS461 Plugins directory to the Browser/2 one. Tried that and then did an about:plugins, the only new plugin it identified was the Feture installer plugin. Didn't acknowledge Bamb and others, so I guess I have to re-install them. I've found one site so far that has problems with the new browser, thats www.braun.de (the electrical goods supplier) but this hasn't problems with Java, it can't handle such a recent version and keeps saying it needs NS or IE 4+ Ed. Ed Durrant wrote: > > As promised I have installed the new IBM Browser (aka Netscape 6.01 or > Mozilla/Warpzilla 5) > 9================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 14:41:57 +0930 From: Greg Hicks Subject: Re: [os2genau] New IBM Browser/2 Ed, the page at www.braun.de has the message embedded within the HTML source. It is displayed regardless of the browser used. I have seen some sites that use a JS program to control the display for incorrect browser versions.. greg Ed Durrant wrote: > Forgot to mention in the earlier report - Netscape 4.6 Plugins > are supposed to work with Browser/2. The readme says simply > copy the DLLs from the NS461 Plugins directory to the Browser/2 > one. Tried that and then did an about:plugins, the only new > plugin it identified was the Feture installer plugin. Didn't > acknowledge Bamb and others, so I guess I have to re-install > them. > > I've found one site so far that has problems with the new > browser, thats www.braun.de (the electrical goods supplier) > but this hasn't problems with Java, it can't handle such a > recent version and keeps saying it needs NS or IE 4+ > > Ed. > > Ed Durrant wrote: > > > > As promised I have installed the new IBM Browser (aka Netscape 6.01 or > > Mozilla/Warpzilla 5) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 10================================================ From: "Michael Block" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:39:44 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 I'm using the new warpzilla free version. The biggest problems so far are: I can't seem to configure the search engines I can't enter text into the URL box (although I can through the file--->location menu option), or enter dialog into webpage fields which makes it rather limiting. The Optusathome homepage (java) doesn't display properly and leaves off all the navigation boxes - again limiting its use. The skins work though. regards Michael Block ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry 11================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:27:02 +0930 From: Greg Hicks Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 Micheal, I tried to use the latest Netscape for Wdoze and found it to be unstable and buggy. Regrettably I can't recommend its use (OS2 Windoze or Linux) until they improve and recitify the problems.. I'm sorry that I can't send some good news regards greg Michael Block wrote: > I'm using the new warpzilla free version. The biggest > problems so far are: > I can't seem to configure the search engines > I can't enter text into the URL box (although I can through > the file--->location menu option), or enter dialog into > webpage fields which makes it rather limiting. > The Optusathome homepage (java) doesn't display properly and > leaves off all the navigation boxes - again limiting its > use. > The skins work though. > regards > > Michael Block > ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus > > http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html > The www home of perinatal psychiatry > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 12================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:57:08 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 I'm Using the Free Warpzilla on this machine (Java 118, OS/2 Warp 4 FP15 Cel433) and don't have the problems you describe. When you loaded the latest version, did you first physically delete any older versions that may be on your system ?? I have had problems if I haven't dome a "clean" install of WarpZilla. Ed. Michael Block wrote: > > I'm using the new warpzilla free version. The biggest > problems so far are: > I can't seem to configure the search engines > I can't enter text into the URL box (although I can through > the file--->location menu option), or enter dialog into > webpage fields which makes it rather limiting. > The Optusathome homepage (java) doesn't display properly and > leaves off all the navigation boxes - again limiting its > use. > The skins work though. > regards > > Michael Block > ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus > > http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html > The www home of perinatal psychiatry > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 13================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:05:28 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 Greg - have you tried either the Warpzilla or IBM Web Browser under OS/2 ?? I find both are now stable (however you may be surfing to some Netscape un-griendly sites, that I don't use). Is the version you used under Windoze, the Mozilla code or the "official" Netscape release ?? Remember both Warpzilla and IBM Web Browser have had some good coders (namely IBM OS/2 Gurus) working on them - The Windoze variants haven't ! Ed. Greg Hicks wrote: > > Micheal, > > I tried to use the latest Netscape for Wdoze and found it to be unstable and buggy. > Regrettably I can't recommend its use (OS2 Windoze or Linux) until they improve and > recitify the problems.. > 14================================================ From: "Michael Block" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:57:08 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >I'm Using the Free Warpzilla on this machine (Java 118, >OS/2 Warp 4 FP15 Cel433) and don't have the problems you >describe. > >When you loaded the latest version, did you first physically >delete any older versions that may be on your system ?? > >I have had problems if I haven't dome a "clean" install >of WarpZilla. > >Ed. I never loaded it before. actually, now that I've closed and restarted it the typing problems have gone. It still has problems with java though - for instance can't load the CBA netbank java applet either. > >Michael Block wrote: >> >> I'm using the new warpzilla free version. The biggest >> problems so far are: >> I can't seem to configure the search engines >> I can't enter text into the URL box (although I can through >> the file--->location menu option), or enter dialog into >> webpage fields which makes it rather limiting. >> The Optusathome homepage (java) doesn't display properly and >> leaves off all the navigation boxes - again limiting its >> use. >> The skins work though. >> regards >> >> Michael Block >> ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus >> >> http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html >> The www home of perinatal psychiatry >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >> ================================================ >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ >================================================ regards Michael Block ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry 15================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:13:06 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] New IBM Browser/2 It doesn't display the message when I access it from NS/2 v 4.61 ..... Greg Hicks wrote: > > Ed, > > the page at www.braun.de has the message embedded within the HTML source. It is displayed > regardless of the browser used. 16================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:13:19 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] New IBM Browser/2 It doesn't display the message when I access it from NS/2 v 4.61 ..... Greg Hicks wrote: > > Ed, > > the page at www.braun.de has the message embedded within the HTML source. It is displayed > regardless of the browser used. 17================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:53:41 +0930 From: Greg Hicks Subject: Re: [os2genau] New IBM Browser/2 Ed, I looked into the HTML source, and it displayed against NS V4.75... makes me wonder what is going on? Ed Durrant wrote: > It doesn't display the message when I access it from NS/2 v 4.61 ..... > > Greg Hicks wrote: > > > > Ed, > > > > the page at www.braun.de has the message embedded within the HTML source. It is displayed > > regardless of the browser used. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 18================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 18:17:05 +0930 From: Greg Hicks Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 Hi ed, oh yes, it was from netscape alright.. Version 6... not a nice item.. always crashing and doubling the mail down loads, couldn't handle large attachments and feinted at the sight if two emails with the same date and time (usually the duplicated download).. so its left a bad taste so as to speak.. i was going to look at the source code, but alas, not enough time these days. regards greg Ed Durrant wrote: > Greg - have you tried either the Warpzilla or IBM Web Browser > under OS/2 ?? I find both are now stable (however you may be > surfing to some Netscape un-griendly sites, that I don't use). > > Is the version you used under Windoze, the Mozilla code or > the "official" Netscape release ?? > > Remember both Warpzilla and IBM Web Browser have had some > good coders (namely IBM OS/2 Gurus) working on them - The > Windoze variants haven't ! > > Ed. > > Greg Hicks wrote: > > > > Micheal, > > > > I tried to use the latest Netscape for Wdoze and found it to be unstable and buggy. > > Regrettably I can't recommend its use (OS2 Windoze or Linux) until they improve and > > recitify the problems.. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Subscribe/Unsubscribe please go to http://www.os2site.com/list/ > ================================================ 19================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:03:50 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 I believe the Commonwealth bank site is one that Daryl said he has had problems with. Can you open it with NS 4.61 ?? Ed. Michael Block wrote: It still has problems with java though > - for instance can't load the CBA netbank java applet > either. > > 20================================================ From: "Michael Block" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:47:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] warpzilla/2 On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:03:50 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >I believe the Commonwealth bank site is one that Daryl >said he has had problems with. > >Can you open it with NS 4.61 ?? > >Ed. no problems with 4.61. It also won't open with the StarOffice browser (just for the sake of completeness) identifying itself as 4.6 regards Michael Block ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry 21================================================ From: "Michael Block" Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:04:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] Moz/2 Warpzilla seems to be unable to consistently decide whether it can find java of not. There doesn't seem to be any way to configure it. Anyone else discovered how? regards Michael Block ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry 22================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:58:29 +0830 From: Leigh Bunting Subject: Re: [os2genau] Banks, was Java 2 and Browser/2 Daryl Pilkington wrote: > I need Bank's services, they cost me money, *sigh*. Bugga!! -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here - http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/ 23================================================ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:55:45 +0830 From: Leigh Bunting Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 2 and Browser/2 Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > please explain what is a 'poofteen'? A term from ancient times. When measuring something indefinably small, the largest of the series was the "smidgen". There is another term for something smaller, but that escapes me. Then, for something indefinably close to nothing at all - the "merest poofteen". There you are - from the times when days were long and sunny and the knights had big balls and sharp swords. While I have your attention, we need to organise an OS/2UGSA committee meeting. The week following Easter would be good. Do you have an evening available. Most of the rest of the committee were at the hardware meeting today and are flexible about a date. Summarising the session: Keith was absolutely wrapped with his install of Warp on his new winxx/os2 box. Glenn had a miserable time with a reinstall on his cantankerous hardware but went away hoping it would still work when he got home. I checked out an Abit bx6-2 mobo with a borrowed Slot 1 CPU and found it worked fine after thinking I fried it at the last hardware meeting. Also re-arranged partitions on my test-box so that OS/2 2.0 would boot correctly (only boots from C:). We shared around some utilities and drivers, had a good time and left after the sun had set. Cheers, Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia Find out more about Col. Light Gdns. here - http://www.cobweb dot com dot au/~pknight/clghs/ END================================================