Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:00:40 +1100 (EDT) Subject: No. 33 Date:- 17 April 2001 1================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:45:44 +0900 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] Multiple-Fwd: eCS NewsCast: Looks like a replacement for Warpcast Looks like we have a replacement for the lost Warpcast folks! Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au ____________________________________________ List Admin note, John has just discovered ecomcast, which is mainly a mirror of the Voice List, I have removed all the ecomcast's that John included for the past week...... 2================================================ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:47:34 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: [os2genau] Email/News clients Hi, I'm sick of getting out a can of fly spray when I use Nutscrape Messenger. I wish Netscape would just stick to Navigator:- Messenger is the most buggy & slow piece of software on my computer. I need an email & off-line news reader that: ******************************************************************* Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts. Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc). Template facilities. Has download recovery if the link hiccups. Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate TAX INVOICE emailing). Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP or LDAP server. Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :) Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential. ******************************************************************* Experiences & suggestions please. -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 3================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:04:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients Hi Daryl >I need an email & off-line news reader that: >Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts. >Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc). >Has download recovery if the link hiccups. >Template facilities. PMMail http://www.pmmail2000 dot com/ Has all of the above, and is worth it to register. >Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate >TAX INVOICE emailing). You can add rexx hooks, or hooks to other programs. >Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP >or LDAP server. Dont know about this but it should be possible via the "Run Program" on "Exit", or "Entry" >Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :) It can with an external archive program. >Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential. There is a windows version, and a push for a Linux version. It also has excellent filtering etc. There is always postroad/jstreet you will need to check the files at http://www.os2site dot com/sw/java/internet/mail/ for the URL's. And then there is http://www.polarbar dot net/ >Experiences & suggestions please. I only use PMMail myself, does everything I need. Cheers Ian B Manners 4================================================ From: "David Forrester" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:34:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients Daryl, I think your choices are PMMail (PMMail/2 for OS/2 or PMMail2000 for Windows). And the Polarbar Mailer. Polarbar is a Java client which quite a few OS/2 people swear by. I haven't used it. I use PMMail so I've put answers to your questions below. > >I need an email & off-line news reader that: >******************************************************************* >Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts. As many as you want. I've had three at the most, but I've heard of people with a lot more. > >Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc). Each account has separate settings for signatures. You can choose others as you need to. > >Template facilities. I think the Canned Replies will do what you want. I haven't had need for them. > >Has download recovery if the link hiccups. This is one place I think they could improve things. > >Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate >TAX INVOICE emailing). You can run REXX filters, and the Canned Replies can do some things. There is an external PMMSend program that will add an e-mail to the outbox. I've used this to send my IP address to my work id when my system connects. > >Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP >or LDAP server. Unfortunately not. IMAP is on the wish list, but they won't say when. > >Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :) No inbuilt archiving. There are some tools to do it, but personally, I just delete old mail. > >Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential. OS/2 and Windows versions. I use both on my laptop with the mail in shared FAT32 partition. We also have it on separate OS/2 and Win95 desktops. These share the mail via a networked drive. But we have to make sure they aren't opened at the same time. I think they have said they are doing a Linux version. Other things: - It is actively being developed. - The developers try to keep OS/2 and Windows version in synch. The main difference I can think of is that the Windows version supports HTML mail better. Though some people seem to think this is a minus. - See www.pmmail2000 dot com for more details. -- David Forrester davidforatterrigal dot net dot au http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ 5================================================ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:08:50 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter Hi, I've got a clone of a production Warp 4 box at FixPak 12 with LAN server 5.00 Advanced, (incl. 386HPFS) & DB2 v2.12 installed on it. Doing some DB2 testing on it, I maxed-out DB2, (probably if I had let it finish the query, things would have been OK). The result was I maxed-out the OS on the server as well. Upon reboot I lost the WarpCenter & I suspect the icons on my WPS. Whilst I've got an archive from March last year, (it will be fine, not much has changed), I suspect that whilst maxed-out, issuing a setboot command didn't get os2.ini & os2sys.ini written to the HDD. Because I've got everything in startup.cmd, the box is fully serving LAN server & DB2, but the WPS just isn't responsive, I've got the background, but that's it. I'm wondering if changing the priority, timeslice etc would stop this problem happening, forcing other applications, (like the WPS), to regain processor attention & stop the write failure of the *.ini files. I'm assuming the above is what happened, suggestions, comments welcome. -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 6================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:25:05 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter Hi Daryl Maybe a little late now but check to see if you have os2sys.### and os2.### in your os2 directory, they maybe hidden. If these are there, and they have a file size, backup your other os2 ini files and rename these. You will of cause have to boot to the prompt. Times like these you wish you used unimaint or checkini more :-) Cheers Ian B Manners 7================================================ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:07:42 +1000 From: Michael Peters Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter Daryl, Get that nice little archiver on Dennis Bareis' site. The price is right , the footprint small . Mike Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Hi, > I've got a clone of a production Warp 4 box at FixPak 12 with LAN server > 5.00 Advanced, (incl. 386HPFS) & DB2 v2.12 installed on it. > > Doing some DB2 testing on it, I maxed-out DB2, (probably if I had let it > finish the query, things would have been OK). The result was I maxed-out > the OS on the server as well. > > Upon reboot I lost the WarpCenter & I suspect the icons on my WPS. > > Whilst I've got an archive from March last year, (it will be fine, not > much has changed), I suspect that whilst maxed-out, issuing a setboot > command didn't get os2.ini & os2sys.ini written to the HDD. > > Because I've got everything in startup.cmd, the box is fully serving LAN > server & DB2, but the WPS just isn't responsive, I've got the > background, but that's it. > > I'm wondering if changing the priority, timeslice etc would stop this > problem happening, forcing other applications, (like the WPS), to regain > processor attention & stop the write failure of the *.ini files. > > I'm assuming the above is what happened, suggestions, comments welcome. > > -- > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > ICQ: 91914134 > Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 > Mob: +61-425-251-300 > Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 > Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au > (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 8================================================ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:45:15 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter Hi Ian, Michael, Archiving, restoring the WPS isn't an issue, I want to make it a bit more robust. Any comments on my suggestions? -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 9================================================ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:29:03 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Multiple-Fwd: eCS NewsCast: Looks like a replacement for Warpcast Although this appears to be from the ecomstation listserv, they're actually all posts on the Voice listserve from the last week. Ed. John Angelico wrote: > > Looks like we have a replacement for the lost Warpcast folks! > > Best regards > John Angelico > OS/2 SIG 10================================================ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:07:03 +1000 From: Michael Peters Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter Daryl, PRIORITY=DYNAMIC MAXWAIT=1 ( FOR SERVER BUT GENERALLY =2 ) TIMESLICE is dynamic anyhow and is said to get choppy if you set it. THREADS= defaults to 62 so watch this. I think Ed said get it up to circa 4095. Is warpcentre still in your config or back in the startup folder? Have you altered MEMMAN after all the swapper discussion? Did you run Hank Kelder's makeini on those suss files? Mike Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Hi, > I've got a clone of a production Warp 4 box at FixPak 12 with LAN server > 5.00 Advanced, (incl. 386HPFS) & DB2 v2.12 installed on it. > > Doing some DB2 testing on it, I maxed-out DB2, (probably if I had let it > finish the query, things would have been OK). The result was I maxed-out > the OS on the server as well. > > Upon reboot I lost the WarpCenter & I suspect the icons on my WPS. > > Whilst I've got an archive from March last year, (it will be fine, not > much has changed), I suspect that whilst maxed-out, issuing a setboot > command didn't get os2.ini & os2sys.ini written to the HDD. > > Because I've got everything in startup.cmd, the box is fully serving LAN > server & DB2, but the WPS just isn't responsive, I've got the > background, but that's it. > > I'm wondering if changing the priority, timeslice etc would stop this > problem happening, forcing other applications, (like the WPS), to regain > processor attention & stop the write failure of the *.ini files. > > I'm assuming the above is what happened, suggestions, comments welcome. > > -- > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > ICQ: 91914134 > Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 > Mob: +61-425-251-300 > Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 > Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au > (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 11================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:11:35 +0900 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Multiple-Fwd: eCS NewsCast: Looks like a replacement for Warpcast On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:29:03 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Although this appears to be from the ecomstation listserv, >they're actually all posts on the Voice listserve from the last week. > >Ed. > >John Angelico wrote: >> >> Looks like we have a replacement for the lost Warpcast folks! Oh no! I've just encouraged plagiarism! My name will shortly be mud in all of Academia! OK folks. I will see about getting this feed direct from Voice. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Oh, no! Not *ANOTHER* learning experience! 12================================================ From: "John Angelico" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:31:37 +0900 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:47:34 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote: Hi Daryl Adding my support for PMMail/2 here. I have seen a few replies so some of this is "me-too" but hopefully my comments are still useful. >I need an email & off-line news reader that: >******************************************************************* Not sure about OL News. Do you mean Newsgroups? If so PMINews/2 is the companion to PMM/2. If you mean email list type news that's all in PMMail of course. >Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts. Yes. I have had 4 accounts but have since arranged to forward all mail through one account. Now my main problem is that my storage folders are all over the place and it's fiddly filing the mail. Filtering is excellent - even the "simple" mode is powerful. I have automated action/replies for some things (eg HTML email gets a standard response ) >Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc). Yes, but... I can have heaps of sigs, canned replies etc but I can't assign a particular sig to a particular collection of mail (eg SIG sig to SIG mail) >Template facilities. Yep. Canned replies. Both whole replies and instantly paste-able boilerplate for anything your are doing. >Has download recovery if the link hiccups. Not easy but there is a Remote Control facility. If you have it on a permanent connection the problem rarely occurs, though... >Has a C, REXX, or the like, programming interface. (I want to automate >TAX INVOICE emailing). REXX no probs. Most files (sigs, replies) are plain text. If you learn the structure of the files and folders, you can copy stuff into various places instead of laboriously making multiple sets of things. >Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP >or LDAP server. Don't know. You would need to roll your own code there I think. PMMail has some simple hooks to receive stuff, but not much else. No IMAP (whatever that is - but gee it raises a blizzard of mail to the developers...) I would describe PMMail as fairly "passive" rather than "active" as a data source. If you want it, it's there but don't expect PMM to push it towards you. It says "Do your own fishin', mate!" >Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :) Another roll your own job. There are third party archivers but they are minimal - usually put the messages out of reach when you want them. >Cross-platform, (Java), would be nice, but not essential. Answered already as Win and OS/2 Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes. 13================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:28:43 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Email/News clients Hi everyone A bit more on PMMail >>Can pull simultaneously from multiple POP accounts. I have 7 current accounts in PMMail but have had 12 in the past. >>Reply with different personalities, (email address, footer etc). One main folder for each account, that you can setup for different ISP's services etc. >>Template facilities. > >Yep. Canned replies. Both whole replies and instantly paste-able boilerplate for anything your are doing. You can also keep "form" emails in the draft folder, and copy to a new email. >>Has download recovery if the link hiccups. >Not easy but there is a Remote Control facility. If you have it on a permanent connection the problem rarely occurs, though... Hmm, this is a function of both server, but more of client. PMMail does not delete email from the server until it has downloaded all the email for the GET command, so if you are in the middle of getting your email, and say the power goes out, then next time you connect you should start the download of email, including the ones you already managed to download, all again. ie, you have 5 emails on the server, you download 4 and lose power, then all 5 emails remain on the server. When you next download, all 5 emails, plus any news ones should be downloaded. You can check by using "Remote Control" as well, just incase PMMail thinks its already retrieved all mail but has left some on the server, my experience is that this doesnt happen except for packages like Netscape Mail. >REXX no probs. Most files (sigs, replies) are plain text. If you learn the structure of the files and folders, you can copy stuff into >various places instead of laboriously making multiple sets of things. Yes, create a mail text template file, dump them all in the outbox of the relevent account. I tend to do this but dump it in the forward directory on the relevant server. >>Hooks into ODBC, DB2 or some grunt backend I'd run locally like an IMAP >>or LDAP server. You can retrieve mail using a ported IMAP server, and have getmail dump it in your PMMail inbox, you can also just set the account in PMMail to not delete email on the server. >>Can archive mail/news, if it hooked into DB2 that would be sexy :) I do an xcopy to my E drive, then put the lot on CDROM, then zap, or cleanup the various folders, normally at the end of every six months. I have been told there are archivers that work well but I can run pmmail on cdrom to just view old emails if need be, and I leave the lst 6 months on E drive for easier access. Cheers Ian B Manners 14================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:35:02 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Trashed WarpCenter >THREADS= defaults to 62 so watch this. I think Ed said get I think threads defaults to 1025 on a clean warp install, best to monitor thread usage, see what you use normally, then double that figure and set threads = in your config.sys. I use 512 on my normal PC, and 1024 on servers, I've never been able to use more than 314 threads on my own PC or any of my non-websphere servers but with DB2, I'd start at 2048. Re your warpcenter problem, sounds like os2sys.ini and os2.ini were being written to disk when this happened, when that happens theres not much you can do, corrupt is corrupt. You could run a cron job to back them up every 24 hours. The other thing that has worked for me, especially since about FixPack 11, is I have never had a complete freeze, I've always been able to reboot by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del, this forces the closure of ini files, and any program that is WPS aware before rebooting, one one occasion, it did take a server about 10 minutes to reboot but I waited. Cheers Ian B Manners END================================================