Return-Path: Received: from g4.goldmining dot com (g4.goldmining dot com [209.197.145.101]) by mail. (Weasel v1.20) for ; 27 May 2001 01:00:00 From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT) Reply-To: "OS2GenAu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: CASMailer 1.0 for OS/2 Warp PPC 1.05/G4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: No. 70 Message-ID: <200105270100.000029G6atmail.> Date:- 27 May 2001 1================================================ From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 06:49:38 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Swap size HI Daryl I thought that you were a dedicated disciple of having the OS on one partition and applications/data on another!! By combining OS and applications on the one partition it may then become difficult to back up the partition unless using tape! You and I know how useful it is to have zip files of the partitions on a CD ROM!! An image or zip file of my OS can be unzipped from a maintenance partition in 10 minutes! or across the network by doing a remote install across the newtwork in slightly longer time! Provided I renew the back up CD images after each major change, fixpack etc, then I can recreate a complete workstation in 30 minutes and have done just that! so when on the road to Damascus did you decide to place OS and applications on the one partiton/drive? enlighten me oh holy one! is On Thu, 24 May 2001 16:53:23 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote: >Hi Graham, >Uh, you caught me out on these questions, forgot to answer them, was >hoping you wouldn't think of these & require answers :) > >Go to the spooler object in the WPS >Properties >1st pane selects where the print spooler directory sits. > >"... >It is recommended that when you set up your hard disk, you create a >minimum of 3 partitions. One will be for the operating system(s), one >for your applications and static data files, and another for dynamic >data files and temporary files >..." > >See Reference 1. > >Most OS/2 applications either make changes to config.sys or os2.ini, so >once they are installed they are bolted into the operating system. > >If the applications are on a different partition to the OS, restoring >only the OS partition without the application partition would either >render the installation un-operable or at least cause errors at boot >time. > >So separating them onto their own partition serves no useful purpose. > >I have been using the C: D: E: configuration for years & I've never >found the arrangement lacking, so I suppose its A Good Thing, even >though IBM have a *slightly* different opinion. > >Reference 1: >OS/2 Warp 4 Capacity Planning and Performance Tuning Guide >W4-PAPER.LWP >Document Number: WARP4TTT >December 5, 1996 > >Personal Software Products > >Duc J. Vianney, Ph. D., Senior Programmer >OS/2 External Performance, Austin, TX > >Tony White, OS/2 Performance Consultant >Personal Systems Solutions Center, Dallas, TX > Graham Norton President OS2 Users Group SA 2================================================ From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:11:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] S3 Trio Display Adapter Drivers On Thu, 24 May 2001 00:03:27 +1000, David Halprin wrote: I can put together some disk images of the driver disks for you, as that is all I've got, but they are genuine. -Chris >Hi Guys >Does anyone in the readership know the URL for S3 Trio Display Adapter >Drivers (for any platform) I run Win-98 and OS/2 and would like an >update. >http:\\www.mrdriver dot com has not updated its link since S3 was merged >with some new parent company. >Also I tried http://www.driver dot com but that is a `different kettle of >fish'. It seems to be a disparate collection of submitted drivers >without guaranteed authenticity. >Ian at the meeting last night remembered Diamond may have been one of >the parties in the merger but thinks that there is yet another now. >I tried Google and other search engines to no avail. >Many thanks for reading this >David Halprin -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisgatwarpspeed dot com dot au BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au 3================================================ From: "Alan Duval" Subject: Re: [os2genau] eCS Install FEST June 16th in Melbourne Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:07:51 +1000 John, I will be coming to the installfest. I've paid for my copy of eCS so you can tell Mark to bring my copy. Pror to the install, what preparation should I do? I've copied any programs and information on my OS/2 partition to another partition. Also copied all my desktop icons to another partition so that I can use them again. I'll also image all my partitions, using DriveCopy, to a separate partirion. Will I need my Matrox Millenium display driver? Alan Duval 4================================================ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:09:47 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] Swap size Hi Graham, Hmmm... why is it when one looks closely at one's activities they are flawed... 1) I have *always* used: c: OS & applications d: temp, swapper, spooler, maintenance e: data I apologise if I have not made this clear. 2) I have quoted from an IBM document, the authors recommend a slightly different arrangement from what I use. Notice they say: "... one for your applications and static data files ...." *Static* data, unchanging data like fonts, colour calibration charts, clipart etc, etc. I don't like putting these things in with the applications, because they may be unique to the particular environment. What everybody agrees with is partitioning is A Good Thing. The implementation varies, but the reasons for do not. 3) You & Steve Edmonds have raised some valid counter-arguements. a) As of yet, I've yet to create a 680MB zip file of my OS & applications partition. So, Graham, as of yet, I've yet to have a problem with having the OS & applications on 1 partition. It could be a problem in the future however, & is certainly a problem with Windoze OS & applications. b) Steve Edmonds mentioned most, (OS/2), applications aren't that intrusive on the configuration of the OS. I did a quick look at my applications on my laptop, & I would conclude that whilst they are intrusive on the OS, not excessively, so Steve has A Good Idea. I also looked at the impact of having a more generic OS install with applications on a separate partition & concluded this would make a far more flexible arrangement for creating a Standard Operating Environment, (SOE), that simply can have extra applications bolted into it. Notice I *still* recommend having temp, swapper, spooler on their own partition! So for me its probably time to evolve a little more & go for: FUNCTION: PARTITION: DRIVE LETTER: Operating system Primary C: Maintenance Logical D: Swapper Spooler temp Applications Logical E: Data Logical F: More Data Logical G: CD-ROM - S: Notice I've kept the data as the highest drive letter, that way if more drives are added for data storage, it doesn't upset the OS & applications drive assignment, providing the extra HDD is formatted logical. Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > > HI Daryl > > I thought that you were a dedicated disciple of having the OS on one partition and > applications/data on another!! > > By combining OS and applications on the one partition it may then become difficult > to back up the partition unless using tape! > > You and I know how useful it is to have zip files of the partitions on a CD ROM!! > > An image or zip file of my OS can be unzipped from a maintenance partition in 10 > minutes! or across the network by doing a remote install across the newtwork in > slightly longer time! > > Provided I renew the back up CD images after each major change, fixpack etc, > then I can recreate a complete workstation in 30 minutes and have done just that! > > so when on the road to Damascus did you decide to place OS and applications on > the one partiton/drive? enlighten me oh holy one! > SNIP > -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 5================================================ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:52:59 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Swap size Hi Daryl, and others, My take on this is C: OS D: Applications E: Data. There are rexx programs that can record all neccessary application and object settings and store them in a recoverable form, so keep C: as OS only to allow re-build / upgrade etc. By the way, if you used the latest available OS/2 Warp Client (Convienience Pack), it comes with LVM and JFS. LVM allows you to change drive letters if you have to and JFS with LVM allows you to expand partitions, even across drives it seems. Bit I wouldn't advise this as if one drive failed, you'd lose all data on the drive letter that spans the drive. Ed. Daryl Pilkington wrote: > > Hi Graham, > Hmmm... why is it when one looks closely at one's activities they are > flawed... > > 1) > I have *always* used: > c: OS & applications > d: temp, swapper, spooler, maintenance > e: data END================================================