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(Weasel v1.20) for ; 28 June 2001 01:00:00 From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT) Reply-To: "OS2GenAu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: CASMailer 1.0 for OS/2 Warp PPC 1.05/G4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: No. 102 Message-ID: <200106280100.000029G6atmail.> Date:- 28 June 2001 1================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:01:37 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] Attatchments Hmmm ok, looks like I will have to get the attatchment filter up and running, that richtext file was over 900K in size, sent out to 70 people, over a 128K ISDN line, ie, lets say 1Mb per person, equals 70Mb in total, the ISDN line can handle 15Kb/s as long as no other poor persons trying to access the website(s). <<-I've removed the attachment for the digest->> Cheers Ian B Manners 2============================================= From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:50:09 +1100 Subject: [os2genau] Is this correct? g'day again, Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne and was wondering if what he has written is correct. Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was is actually owned by them. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM ----------- "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." ----------- Mark Farnham Mackay, Queensland, Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3============================================= From: "Ian Manners" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 03:23:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct? Hi Mark >Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department >of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still >owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). Yes, MS does own part of the code for the PM interface, as well as the peer/lan requester code for OS/2. >If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes >better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was >is actually owned by them. Yes but even though they own part of it, they relinquished the rights to it "conditionally", they cant use it, IBM cant publicly release the code. Making a big generalisation here :-) Cheers Ian B Manners 4============================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:23:03 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: [os2genau] large HD archive spanning mutliple CDRs ? is anyone archiving to CDRs with RSJ ? what do you use ? what's the syntax ? can each CD be individually selectively un-archived ? Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 5============================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:58:37 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: [os2genau] multiple PPP not supported anymore ....? I am having a prob running multipe PPPs on W451 CP1; on W4, if I launch multiple 'PPP comX' it starts: Linking: ppp0 <--> com1 next, followed by Linking: ppp1 <--> com2 (as expected) BUT, on Warp451; the next PPP invocation is STILL ppp0 failing with: then, it tries to start SAME PPP: warn : Unable to create primary ppp0 semaphore..utilities may fail warn : Unable to create ppp0 com_pause semaphore warn : Unable to create ppp0 com_paused semaphore warn : Unable to create ppp0 com_continue semaphore error : Error u creating named pipe error : Error u connecting named pipe notice : Linking: ppp0 <--> com2 error : DosAllocSharedMem Failed rc= 183 info : Terminating link. Exiting... any ideas ....? Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 6============================================= From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:57:38 +1100 Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct? In <200106270323.00002CELatmail.>, on 06/27/01 at 03:23 AM, "Ian Manners" said: >Hi Mark >>Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department >>of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still >>owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). >Yes, MS does own part of the code for the PM interface, as well as the >peer/lan requester code for OS/2. Now that makes it clear why I have had so much problem getting my home network working. Only M$ would make connecting two different computers so difficult. Mark >>If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes >>better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was >>is actually owned by them. >Yes but even though they own part of it, they relinquished the rights to >it "conditionally", they cant use it, IBM cant publicly release the code. >Making a big generalisation here :-) >Cheers >Ian B Manners ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 10:57 AM ----------- "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." ----------- Mark Farnham Mackay, Queensland, Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7============================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:29:12 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: [os2genau] ISO images & RSJ 2.84 Hi, Will RSJ 2.84 do ISO images? -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 8============================================= From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:37:07 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] ISO images & RSJ 2.84 Hi Daryl, Do you want to CREATE an ISO image or do you want to burn a CD, FROM a ISO image.? To burn a CD, first rename the ISO to "track01.trk" and put it in the "TRACKS" sub directory that RSJ's CD View uses. Then use CD View as normal to copy from the Hard Drive to the CD Recorder. However, to CREATE an ISO is a little bit different. Use CD View to copy a CD to the hard disk. NOW you have to use a utility to remove the first 40 bytes from the beginning of the file, otherwise RSJ MIGHT be the ONLY program able to read the file.! I got the utility from http://vv.os2.dhs dot org at:- http://vv.os2.dhs dot org/prog/myprogs/trk2iso.rar I should also state that I have NEVER used this utility and have NEVER had the need to create an ISO image. I have burnt CD's from linux ISO images though. Hope this helps. BobT. On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:29:12 +1000, Daryl Pilkington wrote: >Hi, >Will RSJ 2.84 do ISO images? >-- >Regards, > >Daryl Pilkington ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ 9============================================= From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:14:30 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] large HD archive spanning mutliple CDRs ? Hi Voytek, On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:23:03, Voytek Eymont wrote: >is anyone archiving to CDRs with RSJ ? Yes. >what do you use ? Two methods. One is to use infozip to zip the entire partition to a zip file on another partition. If the zip is too big for a CD then I COPY it to somewhere else, (I have LOTS of room) and with file commander I go into the zip file and mark the directories I wish to remove from the zip file. I then open the OTHER zip file and mark all the directories OTHER than the ones I removed from the FIRST zip file. Of course this takes time and CARE.! Good for setting up and go and watch the X-Files on TV etc. You also have to have a good working knowledge of the SIZES of your directories and file structures etc. You could also selectively use infozip by way of a batch (cmd) file and selectively zipup ONLY the directories you want, but that takes a lot of time to setup unless you aim to backup regularly. The danger of this method is that you must update to batch file to reflect your backup requirements and it would be easy to forget and then lose something. The second method is to use DriveImage 4 from a DOS boot floppy and tell it to limit the file size to 670mb (million bytes I think, not megabytes) or some such. It will create multiple copies with the same NAME but different extensions. The first file always has the ".PQI" extension and the next will have ".002" etc. Whichever way you do it, you then copy the files to CD. >what's the syntax ? ??? >can each CD be individually selectively un-archived ? With the zip method, Yes. With the Size limited DriveImage 4 method, no. You would need ALL the files to get ANYTHING at all. And you would have to install to a blank hard disk to get anything out of the backup, UNLESS the backed up partition was fat or fat32 AND you booted from Windows AND used DriveImage edit software to access the image files. Even then you would need ALL of the images, lose 1 CD and you are right royally stuffed mate.! [please excuse my french :)] RSJ supports commandline operation with ALL of its functionality available. What is needed is a program of some sort to be able to select files to backup, zipup on the fly to fill a cd, finalize the CD, eject the CD and prompt the operator for another CD and then continue with the backup. This sort of thing is quite possible and is available in windows, but not (I think) in Os/2. I hope I am wrong here. Hope this helps. BobT. ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ 10============================================= From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:28:56 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] CD Burning with DirectCD Hi Gavin, Direct CD is a proprietary format and can only be read from windows machines. Useless if you need a file from Os/2 or linux.! Do not use Direct CD. Use easy CD Creator instead. They are both bundled together and most people just install Easy CD Creator and give the Direct CD a big miss. As far as I have been able to work out, Direct CD is a means of enabling incremental writes to the CD blank. This means you can keep adding files until the CD is full. Keep adding day after day and finalise at the end, you can remove the CD without having to finalise. Of course, until the cd is finalised, you can only access the files on the CD when it is in a CD recorder AND with Direct CD installed AND running under windows 9x. There is no equivalent under os/2 that I know of. The only thing Direct CD doesn't do is BARK (other than not work very well, of course). Regards, BobT. On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote: >Hi All, > >I don't have a burner at home so I've been using the one at work. A problem that has been occuring is disks >not working properly under anything but Win98. I don't have Win98 either. Is anyone familier with the >DirectCD program so CD's can be read by OS/2 without errors. > >Some CD's have worked perfectly while others have not, but it's getting a bit too expensive to keep burning >until one works. > >Cheers >Gavin ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ 11============================================= Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:08:14 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct? Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT the PM interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface can be used on Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 Ed. mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote: > > g'day again, > Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne > and was wondering if what he > has written is correct. > > Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department > of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still > owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). > > If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes > better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was > is actually owned by them. > > Mark > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au > Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM > ----------- > "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, > the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies > of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." ----------- > Mark Farnham > Mackay, Queensland, Australia. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12============================================= From: "Stan Pallis" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Attatchments Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:19:31 +1000 Of course I did not consider that, not that I knew. Any how I'll keep that in mind next time. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Manners [mailto:ianatos2 dot org dot au] Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2001 1:02 AM To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au Subject: [os2genau] Attatchments Hmmm ok, looks like I will have to get the attatchment filter up and running, that richtext file was over 900K in size, sent out to 70 people, over a 128K ISDN line, ie, lets say 1Mb per person, equals 70Mb in total, the ISDN line can handle 15Kb/s as long as no other poor persons trying to access the website(s). Cheers Ian B Manners 13============================================= From: mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:07:42 +1100 Subject: Re: [os2genau] Is this correct? Hi Ed, It must be my fascination with history that makes me want know about about such archaic topics, but having never seen any of the early versions of OS/2, would mind explain what the PM inteface is/was. You say we could use it on Warp, but would that be instead of using the Workplace shell? How would one go about doing it? (just out morbid curiousity) And would I be correct in thinking of it in the same context as win3.1? Thanks Mark In <3B39B08E.71282EADatbigpond dot net dot au>, on 06/27/01 at 08:08 PM, Ed Durrant said: >Please note, the interface that Warp 3 and Warp 4 users see is NOT the PM >interface but rather the Workplace shell. The PM interface can be used on >Warp (but no one does) - it's what was used on OS/2 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 >Ed. >mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au wrote: >> >> g'day again, >> Found this on the OS/2 Software Web Page from Chris Payne >> and was wondering if what he >> has written is correct. >> >> Also, having IBM pulled into the courtrooms as part fo the U.S. Department >> of Justice Trials against MicroSoft, hasn't helped OS/2. (MicroSoft still >> owns the rights to the PM interface for OS/2 !... Not good for our OS). >> >> If this is correct I would be amazed that an interface which is magnitudes >> better than any that M$ has produced for their own operating systems was >> is actually owned by them. >> >> Mark >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au >> Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 01:50 AM >> ----------- >> "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, >> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies >> of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." ----------- >> Mark Farnham >> Mackay, Queensland, Australia. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- mfarnhamatdingoblue dot net dot au Wednesday, June 27, 2001 - 11:07 PM ----------- "Lord, Grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they pissed me off." ----------- Mark Farnham Mackay, Queensland, Australia. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------