Received: from darkside. (darkside. [210.8.201.180]) by mail. (Weasel v1.20) for ; 11 July 2001 01:00:00 From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: CASMailer 1.0 for OS/2 Warp PPC 1.05/G4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 115 Message-ID: <200107110100.000029G6atmail.> Reply-To: Date:- 11 July 2001 1================================================ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:40:23 +1000 From: Michael Peters Subject: Re: [os2genau] Warpcentre File Backup Peter, My mail to you at spgatgll dot com dot au bounced. Do you have an address to receive a file attach? Mike Peter Godbold wrote: > Thanks, Michael. Would appreciate a copy. > > Peter > > Michael Peters wrote: > > > > Peter, > > I have written a little program to do the WarpCentre backup > > and restore. I will send it to you on Monday next because it is > > enravelled with my desktop backup program and I have to..... > > you know what I mean.... > > > > Mike > > > > Peter Godbold wrote: > > > > > Bob Traynor wrote: > > > > > > > I also (but did not inform you) have a *.zip backup of the complete desktop, > > > > Os2*.ini files, all Windows *.ini files, config.sys and autoexec.bat > > > > and all the WarpCentre files and a few others. > > > > > > Bob, > > > > > > Lifting the above quote from the discussion thread between yourself and > > > Kris Steenhaut on lost desktops, may I pose a question on a related > > > topic? > > > > > > I recently lost my Warpcentre settings on a power failure, and after > > > trying to find a way of recovering (I use Unimaint regularly) I finally > > > resorted to the tedious task of rebuilding all of my trays! > > > > > > Can you or someone else advise on the best (or any??) way of restoring > > > the Warpcentre? Where does all of that data live? > > > > > > Peter 2============================================== From: "John Angelico" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:32:09 +0900 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] Won't install: Latest NS and PMView was: June, 2001 refresh of Netscape 4.61 On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:01:59 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote to possidiscussion: >In <200107082345.QAA09914atprince.kattare dot com>, on 07/09/01 > at 09:46 AM, "John Angelico" said: > > >>Then I could d/l that, read it and figure out whether a 35Mb download is going >>to be worth it for me. > >The file I downloaded was approx. 10 MB. On the left hand side of the IBM site - >download page - were two other files - FAQ and ARP's , don't know the size of >them Posted in Possi Discussion and OS2GenAU lists The saga continues in a different form. Thanks to everyone who told me the file size and sent me the readme2. I have now downloaded the file (approx 1 hour on my faithful 33.6k modem) and unpacked it to a fresh temporary directory. BUT: (there's always a 'but' even if there are no smokers) When I try to install, I receive an error message to the effect that the installer "cannot create Object on the desktop" and gives me OK or Help buttons. Help tells me the same thing in a few more words and says I could respond with R for replace. Sorry but no cigar! If I click OK I have the option to cancel the install, remove the new files and revert to the previous version, which I selected. The progress bar dutifully proceeds in reverse until nothing shows but I then receive the same error message (NB: NOT "can't remove" but "can't create" the NS_FOLDER). I click OK and then I get the same question "do you wish to remove the files already installed, and revert to the previous level?" Well, I just answered that, so I select cancel and bail out of the whole install safely - I think. Does anyone recognize this problem? Does anyone know a fix or workaround? Would anyone recognize it if I said I also had the same problem with the latest version of PMView (2.3) and its Desktop Object? However, there I had uninstalled the old version and then had to install from scratch, whereas here I am updating the installed product. seems I am dogged by that Murphy fella! Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Vuja De - The Feeling You've Never Been Here Before 3============================================== Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:34:57 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale Hi All, FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL. http://adsl.internode.on dot net Thanks to the people who have cautioned me regarding account transfer fees. I have contacted Telstra Bigpond Direct & it is possible to do a Change of Leasee Application, meaning there is no account transfer fees. So, anyone who wants to buy a permanent, fixed-IP, v90 dialup connection in Adelaide with ongoing fees* of the greater of $20/month or 12c/MB, please contact me. All reasonable offers considered. *Some fine print, happy to explain details. -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 4============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:25 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale ** Reply to note from Daryl Pilkington Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:34:57 +1000 > FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL. > http://adsl.internode.on dot net what modem/router are you using for that ? Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 5============================================== From: "Steve Edmonds" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:40:35 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? I don't know that its applicable to you guys, we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks). We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up. I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s. less than 10 mins for 78 meg. I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed. Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out in an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end. Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at good speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable. steve _______________ Steve Edmonds Steve71atattglobal dot net 6============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:43:37 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Won't install: Latest NS and PMView was: June, 2001 refresh of Netscape 4.61 is almost certainly the Folder object for Netscape. Somewhere in your system this object exists and is probably somehow marked as non-deletable. If the install procedure uses Rexx, you could simply go in and change the object name to something different but this could cause problems later when either this or a later install was looking to put other objects in it. It's a couple (probably closer to 6 or 7) years since I played around in this area of REXX and Desktop but I'm pretty sure RXUTILS.DLL will have a call in it, to let you track down the "rougue" if you're not afraid of coding a few lines in REXX. Cheers/2 Ed. > The saga continues in a different form. > > Thanks to everyone who told me the file size and sent me the readme2. > > I have now downloaded the file (approx 1 hour on my faithful 33.6k > modem) and unpacked it to a fresh temporary directory. > > BUT: (there's always a 'but' even if there are no smokers) > > When I try to install, I receive an error message to the effect that > the installer "cannot create Object on the desktop" and > gives me OK or Help buttons. Help tells me the same thing in a few > more words and says I could respond with R for replace. > > Sorry but no cigar! If I click OK I have the option to cancel the > install, remove the new files and revert to the previous version, > which I selected. > > The progress bar dutifully proceeds in reverse until nothing shows > but I then receive the same error message (NB: NOT "can't remove" but > "can't create" the NS_FOLDER). I click OK and then I get the same > question "do you wish to remove the files already installed, and > revert to the previous level?" Well, I just answered that, so I > select cancel and bail out of the whole install safely - I think. > > Does anyone recognize this problem? Does anyone know a fix or > workaround? > > Would anyone recognize it if I said I also had the same problem with > the latest version of PMView (2.3) and its Desktop Object? However, > there I had uninstalled the old version and then had to install from > scratch, whereas here I am updating the installed product. > > seems I am dogged by that Murphy fella! > > Best regards > John Angelico > OS/2 SIG > talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au 7============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:47:02 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale Hi again Voytek, I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying, You get the modem/router supplied by whichever Telco you go with. They supply it, you can't chose or supply one yourself. The underlying technology is edicted by Telstra, so a solution that works for OS/2 over Telstra "should" work with other companies installations as well. Cheers/2 Ed. Voytek Eymont wrote: > > > FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL. > > http://adsl.internode.on dot net > > what modem/router are you using for that ? 8============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? Hi Steve, How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ??? We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B (Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10 to give B. I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads, which make the use of 10 a good conservative factor. I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say around 2Mb/s on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option. I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s. Am I missing something here ?? Cheers/2 Ed. Steve Edmonds wrote: > > I don't know that its applicable to you guys, > we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks). > > We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up. > I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s. > less than 10 mins for 78 meg. > > I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed. > Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out in > an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end. > > Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at good > speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable. > > steve > _______________ > Steve Edmonds > Steve71atattglobal dot net > 9============================================== From: "Steve Edmonds" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:15:16 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? Not at all Ed. This is a thing with adsl. My modem tells me the downlink is at 5.5 Mb/s. The real test is the 78 Meg download in under 10 mins (9 something). Also note this is the best ever I have had, sun must pump it out. Typical would be 10 - 20 netscape kB/s, throttled upstream. Worse is the uplink, actual is way under 600 kb/s. steve On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Hi Steve, > > How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ??? > > We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B >(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10 >to give B. > > I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads, >which >make the use of 10 a good conservative factor. > > I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say >around 2Mb/s >on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option. > > I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s. Am I missing something here ?? > >Cheers/2 >Ed. > > >Steve Edmonds wrote: >> >> I don't know that its applicable to you guys, >> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks). >> >> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up. >> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s. >> less than 10 mins for 78 meg. >> >> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed. >> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out in >> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end. >> >> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at good >> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable. >> >> steve >> _______________ >> Steve Edmonds >> Steve71atattglobal dot net >> _______________ Steve Edmonds Steve71atattglobal dot net 10============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:39:37 +0000 From: Frank Bendon Subject: Re: [os2genau] Telstra BigPond Direct dial-up for sale On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:39:25 +0000, Voytek Eymont wrote: >> FYI my client is moving to Internode ADSL, not Telstra ADSL. >> http://adsl.internode.on dot net >what modem/router are you using for that ? Voytek I've had internode's ADSL service for a little over a month now They 'supply' a D-Link modem, an optional firewall / router box and your own fixed IP address - just plug it in, change your default gateway etc and it simply works - no software, PPPoE setup or anything like that. Cheers Frank Bendon 11============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:21:55 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? Sorry Steve, I still don't see the 5.5 Mb/s it's 78MB in 10 minutes thats 78MB in 600 seconds so lets say 780 Mb in 600 Seconds Thats 780/600 Mb/s - approx - 1.2 Mb/s not 5.5 Mb/s Hey 1.2 Mb/s is still VERY good !! Cheers/2 Ed. Steve Edmonds wrote: > > Not at all Ed. > This is a thing with adsl. My modem tells me the downlink is at 5.5 Mb/s. > > The real test is the 78 Meg download in under 10 mins (9 something). > Also note this is the best ever I have had, sun must pump it out. > Typical would be 10 - 20 netscape kB/s, throttled upstream. > > Worse is the uplink, actual is way under 600 kb/s. > > steve > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > >Hi Steve, > > > > How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ??? > > > > We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B > >(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10 > >to give B. > > > > I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads, > >which > >make the use of 10 a good conservative factor. > > > > I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say > >around 2Mb/s > >on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option. > > > > I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s. Am I missing something here ?? > > > >Cheers/2 > >Ed. > > > > > >Steve Edmonds wrote: > >> > >> I don't know that its applicable to you guys, > >> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks). > >> > >> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up. > >> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s. > >> less than 10 mins for 78 meg. > >> > >> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed. > >> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out > in > >> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end. > >> > >> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at > good > >> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable. > >> > >> steve > >> _______________ > >> Steve Edmonds > >> Steve71atattglobal dot net > >> > >> > _______________ > Steve Edmonds > Steve71atattglobal dot net > 12============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:39:43 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? Hi Ed What Steve is talking about, is he has a 5.5Mb/s link but due to smaller piplines between him and his destinations, he can only download at a lower speed. Downloading Startoffice from SUN, Steve is probably either hitting a fast route to SUN, or being redirected to a closer Australian server (more likely). ie, the link to Telsta is 5.5Mb/s, past Telstra, the normal bottle necks get in the way. same as if someone with an ADSL link tried to download files from my site, the best speed they could get is about 100Kb/s, as long as no one else was using the link. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Sign in a London department store: BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS 13============================================== From: "Steve Edmonds" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:10:55 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? You got it. steve On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:39:43 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Ed > >What Steve is talking about, is he has a 5.5Mb/s link but >due to smaller piplines between him and his destinations, >he can only download at a lower speed. Downloading >Startoffice from SUN, Steve is probably either hitting a >fast route to SUN, or being redirected to a closed >Australian server (more likely). > >ie, the link to Telsta is 5.5Mb/s, past Telstra, the normal >bottle necks get in the way. same as if someone with an >ADSL link tried to download files from my site, the best >speed they could get is about 100Kb/s, as long as no one else >was using the link. > > >Cheers >Ian B Manners >http://www.os2site dot com/ > >Sign in a London department store: > BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS _______________ Steve Edmonds Steve71atattglobal dot net 14============================================== From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:24:05 +1000 Subject: Re: [os2genau] Won't install: Latest NS and PMView was: June, 2001 refresh of Netscape 4.61 John, Have a look in your folders on the desktop for any other, originally installed, netscape folders that may have been dragged off the desktop and into a sub folder. From the command line zip up the folder (if you found it) and move the file elsewhere as a backup. Also, backup the whole desktop etc. I assume you still use Deskbak. Then delete the Netscape folder. [Do NOT un-install.!] Next run Wptools checkini.exe and clean out your os2 ini files. Then try again.! If the above does NOT work, Backup (zip) the USER directory, then Uninstall Netscape and you will be given an option of wether to delete all user files. Say NO. This should leave the user directory and all below it, thus preserving your mail and settings etc. Run Wptools again. THEN re-install Netscape. Say a few hail Mary's and pray. :) God be with you my son. Regards, Robert Traynor (BobT). 10 July 2001 21:20 On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:32:09 +0900 (EST), John Angelico wrote: > >In <200107082345.QAA09914atprince.kattare dot com>, on 07/09/01 > > at 09:46 AM, "John Angelico" said: > >>Then I could d/l that, read it and figure out whether a 35Mb download is going > >>to be worth it for me. > > > >The file I downloaded was approx. 10 MB. On the left hand side of the IBM site - > >download page - were two other files - FAQ and ARP's , don't know the size of > >them > > Posted in Possi Discussion and OS2GenAU lists > > The saga continues in a different form. > > Thanks to everyone who told me the file size and sent me the readme2. > > I have now downloaded the file (approx 1 hour on my faithful 33.6k > modem) and unpacked it to a fresh temporary directory. > > BUT: (there's always a 'but' even if there are no smokers) > > When I try to install, I receive an error message to the effect that > the installer "cannot create Object on the desktop" and > gives me OK or Help buttons. Help tells me the same thing in a few > more words and says I could respond with R for replace. > > Sorry but no cigar! If I click OK I have the option to cancel the > install, remove the new files and revert to the previous version, > which I selected. > > The progress bar dutifully proceeds in reverse until nothing shows > but I then receive the same error message (NB: NOT "can't remove" but > "can't create" the NS_FOLDER). I click OK and then I get the same > question "do you wish to remove the files already installed, and > revert to the previous level?" Well, I just answered that, so I > select cancel and bail out of the whole install safely - I think. > > Does anyone recognize this problem? Does anyone know a fix or > workaround? > > Would anyone recognize it if I said I also had the same problem with > the latest version of PMView (2.3) and its Desktop Object? However, > there I had uninstalled the old version and then had to install from > scratch, whereas here I am updating the installed product. > > seems I am dogged by that Murphy fella! > > > Best regards > John Angelico > OS/2 SIG > talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ 15============================================== Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:41:44 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? So if you download something from the Telstra site, or something in its cache, you should (in principal) get 5.5Mb/s ?? Ed. Steve Edmonds wrote: > > You got it. > > steve > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:39:43 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: > > >Hi Ed > > > >What Steve is talking about, is he has a 5.5Mb/s link but > >due to smaller piplines between him and his destinations, > >he can only download at a lower speed. Downloading > >Startoffice from SUN, Steve is probably either hitting a > >fast route to SUN, or being redirected to a closed > >Australian server (more likely). > > > >ie, the link to Telsta is 5.5Mb/s, past Telstra, the normal > >bottle necks get in the way. same as if someone with an > >ADSL link tried to download files from my site, the best > >speed they could get is about 100Kb/s, as long as no one else > >was using the link. > > > > > >Cheers > >Ian B Manners > >http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > >Sign in a London department store: > > BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS > > _______________ > Steve Edmonds > Steve71atattglobal dot net > 16============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:01:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? Hi Ed >So if you download something from the Telstra >site, or something in its cache, you should >(in principal) get 5.5Mb/s ?? In theory, yes, in practice, you also have the following. Cable ===== User1+user2+user3, all connected at the end of the street. Bandwidth / 3 but then not everyone will be downloading at the same time, then from the street end box, you go to the next box, street1+street2+street3 = Bandwith / 3, again :-( ADSL ===== Nice fast connection to your immediate exchange, there you have other ADSL connections coming in, then all pumped through the same 10Mb router :-( Then onto the next major exchange to be connected to the main 10Mb, or 100Mb pipeline. Advertising ! Still, Cable and ADSL speeds beat the crap out of ISDN, but ISDN is mature, stable technology, you would need a lot more ISDN lines to hog bandwidth the way that ADSL and cable do. It is always faster as a rule to download something that is closer to you, doesnt matter if its 56k, ISDN, ADSL, Cable, it also helps keep the ISP's costs down, as they still have to pay for all there incoming data, if it werent for Proxy's like connect dot com dot au's costs would be higher than they are, and bandwidth would also be under a bigger strain. I sometimes download files from a Switzerland Uni, and at one stage for a few days I was hitting a low of 512b/s. This is due more to routing, somewere between them and myself, there is a router was obviously being is overloaded. Some princepal as above, just more "nodes" & "routers", more changes of having a lower speed, or more congested link somewere between the origin of the data, and myself. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ "I think that's how Chicago got started. A bunch of people in New York said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, but it just isn't cold enough. Let's go west.' " --Richard Jeni 17============================================== From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:55:25 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] is ADSL the way to go ? Yes Ed I am almost there but there is I suspect an extra "fiddle" to get it to work if there is a separate PC with 2 NIC cards? I cant get the blasted router setup correct!! I can ping the Gateway PC on the LAN but cant "jump" across that to the internet! Somehow the IP forwarding is not forwarding to the LAN machines and I suspect that I need to configure the network WS its just not a matter of telling each machine to route via 192.168.1.200 (the LAN address of the gateway PC) ??? am I correct? On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:21:55 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Sorry Steve, > >I still don't see the 5.5 Mb/s > >it's 78MB in 10 minutes > >thats 78MB in 600 seconds > >so lets say 780 Mb in 600 Seconds > >Thats 780/600 Mb/s - approx - 1.2 Mb/s not 5.5 Mb/s > >Hey 1.2 Mb/s is still VERY good !! > >Cheers/2 >Ed. > > >Steve Edmonds wrote: >> >> Not at all Ed. >> This is a thing with adsl. My modem tells me the downlink is at 5.5 Mb/s. >> >> The real test is the 78 Meg download in under 10 mins (9 something). >> Also note this is the best ever I have had, sun must pump it out. >> Typical would be 10 - 20 netscape kB/s, throttled upstream. >> >> Worse is the uplink, actual is way under 600 kb/s. >> >> steve >> >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:54:38 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >> >> >Hi Steve, >> > >> > How does 112kB/s equate to 5.5 Mb/s ??? >> > >> > We all know we have to be careful of the difference between the BIG B >> >(Bytes) and small b (bits). As a rule of thumb I always divide b by 10 >> >to give B. >> > >> > I know there's only 8 bits in a Byte but there are other overheads, >> >which >> >make the use of 10 a good conservative factor. >> > >> > I peak on Downloads through Netscape at 212 KB/s - hence I'd say >> >around 2Mb/s >> >on my Cable (uncapped speed both ways) Telstra option. >> > >> > I'd say 112kB/s is about 1 Mb/s. Am I missing something here ?? >> > >> >Cheers/2 >> >Ed. >> > >> > >> >Steve Edmonds wrote: >> >> >> >> I don't know that its applicable to you guys, >> >> we have 2 adsl connections with nokia 1122's (I thinks). >> >> >> >> We get 5.5 Mb down and about 600 kb up. >> >> I.E. downloading staroffice from sun in netscape it comes in at ~112 kB/s. >> >> less than 10 mins for 78 meg. >> >> >> >> I run a web server for external access on both with pretty good speed. >> >> Only problem is with ssh connections dropping but I think someone pointed out >> in >> >> an earlier post that this may be due to "re-mapping" at the exchange end. >> >> >> >> Is wireless popular, we have a couple of line of site wireless providers at >> good >> >> speed. Not as cheap as adsl but very reliable. >> >> >> >> steve >> >> _______________ >> >> Steve Edmonds >> >> Steve71atattglobal dot net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________ >> Steve Edmonds >> Steve71atattglobal dot net >> Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist Smart Road Specialist Centre Modbury SA 5092 61 8 8265 4022 (Voice) 61 8 8386 1795 (Fax) gnatsmart-road dot com dot au