Received: from darkside. (darkside. [210.8.201.180]) by mail. (Weasel v1.20) for ; 23 July 2001 01:00:00 From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: CASMailer 1.0 for OS/2 Warp PPC 1.05/G4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 126 Message-ID: <200107230100.000029G6atmail.> Reply-To: Date:- 23 July 2001 1================================================ From: "Michael Block" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:18:10 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] can't access c: thru WPS I've had this problem before but I've forgotten why or how I fixed it!! Every time I access my C partition thru the WPS, it crashes the WPS. C: has my warp4.5 OS on it. All other partitions are accessible. I can access C thru a command line without problems regards Michael Block ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry 2============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:45:54 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] OS/2 and Telstra Cable. --------------CF811A86378523D5D1146AB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Peters wrote: > I have just finished reading through this group's mailings > endeavouring to find a how-to for Telstra cable and OS/2. > We do not have Optus cable in this area and I already have > Telstra/Foxtel cable TV. ADSL looks much more costly. > I can remember last year reading of the java front end, > but that site seems has disappeared. > > I wish to use my OS/2 box as the gateway and have two > win boxes in the lan. The firewall I can manage... the > problem is I know nothing of the Cable setup ( I have > Ian Pilkington's pictures) with OS/2 and what to tell > the technician. If it helps I can boot this OS/2 box > into Win98se. > > Michael Peters > In response to Michaels request here's what I have on Telstra Big Pond Cable and OS/2. .... Telstra Bigpond cable options - which to chose ?? ================================================= I talked to Telstra before ordering the installation. If you go with the cheapest, unlimited download residential option, (now with an "acceptable use" policy) they frown on LAN attachment. However if you go for a Business option (which can be more expensive, especially if you exceed the monthly download limit of 512MB) they're not so worried. This includes running servers for non-commercial training purposes. Their standpoint is if I want a problem to be looked at it has to be repeatable on their standard configuration as set up at time of installation. This means a single Win98 PC. The extra user charge doesn't authorise multiple users, neccessarily but rather and extra e-mail account (no increase on web space if I remember correctly). Without a LAN setup, you cant have both users on at the same time. Use of Firewall - technical concepts - ====================================== The Firewall PC (I'll stick with the name Firewall PC for now although it may start to run other things in the future) sits between your LAN and the cable modem. It should have two NICs. The one on the cable modem side is set up as a DHCP port (ie Telstra auto allocate it an IP address). The one connected to your LAN, you need to give a fixed IP address. Let's say 192.168.1.1 for example. The default route setting on all your LAN PCs should be set to this address and each should be given it's own fixed IP address - lets say 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 etc. These PCs should be configured manually to have the Telstra DNS addresses as they will not get them via DHCP. This applies whether your LAN PCs are Windoze or OS/2. The LAN PCS talk pure TCPIP to your Firewall PC. If you don't intend networking between the PCs in the LAN, don't even configure NetBeui on them and take out any Net start Req from the startup.cmd file on your OS/2 LAN PCs and any protocol entry apart from TCPIP in MPTS. The firewall PC will be configured in MPTS with ONLY TCPIP protocol on both NICs. OK if we say lan0 (first card) is the Cable side of the firewall, and lan1 (second card) is the internal LAN side. You will be running the Internet firewall with NAT support as the "link" between your LAN and the Internet. The internet will not be able to see any PCs inside your LAN directly and the PCs inside your LAN will only see the Internet by going via the Firewall PC. Hence the reason why every PC on the LAN will need a default route defined through TCPCFG2 to point at the firewalls lan1 card (192.168.1.1). Any IP based applications on the firewall PC are visible from both your LAN PCs and the Internet. Hence if you want to run an email or web server, the easiest option is to run it on the Firewall PC however by using the firewall configuration tables you can set up secure entry to servers on your LAN from the internet. Please refer to Ian Manner's very good doco on this - reference to this site at the end of this document. The firewall is there to stop anyone "hacking" into your LAN, however anything on the Firewall PC could be considered in a possibly dangerous area so NEVER store data on the firewall PC. If you want to host some data on the web site, keep the data on your file server and through Java programming access this from the firewall PC when required. IP Addresses. The ISP provided IP address may be a fixed address, something like 202.134.7.89 but it is more likely to be a DHCP address from a group of addresses, say anywhere between 202.134.7.1 and 202.134.7.254. You don't need to know the address for the firewall to work. The lan0 card is defined in TCPCFG2 to use a DHCP address and when it connects or re-connects it is given it's address by the ISP's DHCP server. Now what happens when a PC on the LAN want's to go to and get a page from a website ? Well a machine (or "host")'s identification is not just the IP address but actually the IP address plus a 4 digit port number. Lets say PC number 1 on your LAN want's to access a website. The PC with IP address 192.168.1.2 accesses the firwall PC and the Injoy software see's this request, if it were simply to pass this through, the ISP's computer systems wouldn't accept it as it was expecting requests only from 202.134.7.89 - so it passes the request across but modifies the packet to say it came from 202.134.7.89. In principal this is OK, but if multiple PCs on the LAN want to access the internet how does the Injoy software know where to send the reply back to? It gets a packet that says it came from 202.134.7.89 (the firewall PC) but Injoy wouldn't know which LAN PC to pass it back to. So on the way out Injoy actually increments the port number on the request and keeps a table of LAN IP addresses and port number increment. This is called Network Address translation (NAT) or IP masqarading. So if LAN PC number 1 makes a request to IP address 11.10.3.4 at port 80 the request would be sent out perhaps with a return address of 202.34.7.89 port 6080. Lan PC number 2 would perhaps be said to have a return address of 202.34.7.89 port 7080. When the packets are returned injoy see's one destined for 202.34.7.89 port 6080 and send it on to 192.168.1.2 port 80, simerly the packet labeled for 202.34.7.89 port 7080 is sent to LAN PC 2 at 192.168.1.3 port 80. If you are running an email server or web server on the firewall PC, people can send and receive data from these but only if they know the IP address of the PC. Hence USERNameat202.34.7.89 - which is probably going to cause some confusion as people are used to email addresses that look like UserNameatBillsCo dot com dot au This is why if you wish to run a server, be it an email or a web server there has to be a conversion between 202.34.7.89 and BillsCo dot com dot au somewhere, and this is what a DNS (or Directory Name Server) does. There has been set up recently a free service to help with this problem. An organisation called DYNDNS.ORG (Dynmaic DNS) will allow anyone to use their DNS server to have the IP address to name resolution taken care of. It also allows for a client (OS/2 supported) on your system to tell the DNS when your IP address has changed and so no one will realise that it has changed. If you don't have a fixed IP address check out their site at WWW.DYNDNS.ORG Firewall - Hardware. ==================== In-joy firewall does not work with all NICs. I had trouble with an Intel NIC and I have heard of problems with some Accton models. If you can, use PCI rather than AT Bus cards. I'm using an IBM PCI Ethernet (10 Mb/s) card to talk to the Telstra (Nortel) modem and have a Kingston card from the firewall to my LAN. The Telstra supplied card is installed in my wife's Win98 PC and my OS/2 Conv pack / OS/2 Warp 4.5 / Win 98 box is using another IBM card. So can't tell you if the (10/100) Telstra card runs under OS/2 or not. It is important to make sure your network cards are working BEFORE installing the FX Communications software as acces to MPTS settings is not possible once the Injoy "fxwrap" module is installed. You can simply do this by typing ifconfig lan0 and ifconfig lan1 at a command line. If lan0 (cable) side is working it should show an IP address as the inet parameter - this is the address allocated by Telstra. The lan1 card should show it's inet as the IP address you configured (192.168.1.1). Installing the firewall in a default mode (no filtering, no routing) is simply a matter of running the install script and confirming which port is external and which internal after you have modified gateway.cf_ and renamed it as gateway.cf To start the firewall software simply type (or add to strtup.cmd or the startup folder) Gateway -p60 You may chose to customise the firewall further and this will also entail modifying other cnf files as needed. This is all documented in the FX communications firewall package. Login client - Java or Native port to OS/2 from *nix. ===================================================== I guess the next step is going to be how to setup the login via Cable using one of the two BPALOGIN clients. The ported version loads quicker than the Java client, but since it doesn't re-load very often this is perhaps not so important. The java client has also recovered dropped connections without problems. I use Paul's client (which you can get from Hobbes - search on BPALOGIN) but you could also use the Java one if you have Java installed - that one I downloaded from http://www.users.bigpond dot net dot au/bpalogin If you are autostarting the firewall, then you can simply add the following line into Startup.cmd to perform the log on, or you can create an object in the startup folder. BPALOGIN -C bpalogin.conf (You need to add your userid and password into the bpalogin.conf file). As they always say E & OE - but if I've missed something or got something wrong please let me know so I can correct it - this is very much a "work in progress" ! Useful references: ================== Hi all For those who are interested, here is a quick page I put together lastnight on setting up injoy's Firewall with internal servers. http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/firewall/injoyfirewall.html I will slowly add to this, and put the rules into tables etc. As well as add more filters, and a general setup for those of you who have no internal servers etc. Cheers Ian B Manners Regards, Ed Durrant. --------------CF811A86378523D5D1146AB9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Peters wrote:

> I have just finished reading through this group's mailings
> endeavouring to find a how-to  for Telstra cable and OS/2.
> We do not have Optus cable in this area and I already have
> Telstra/Foxtel cable TV. ADSL looks much more costly.
> I can remember last year reading of the java front end,
> but that site seems has disappeared.
>
> I wish to use my OS/2 box as the gateway and have two
> win boxes in the lan. The firewall I can manage... the
> problem is I know nothing of the Cable setup ( I have
> Ian Pilkington's pictures) with OS/2 and what to tell
> the technician. If it helps I can boot this OS/2 box
> into Win98se.
>
> Michael Peters
>
 

In response to Michaels request here's what I have on Telstra
Big Pond Cable and OS/2. ....
 

Telstra Bigpond cable options - which to chose ??
=================================================

I talked to Telstra before ordering the installation. If you go with the
cheapest, unlimited download residential option, (now with an "acceptable
use" policy) they frown on LAN attachment. However if you go for a
Business option (which can be more expensive, especially if you exceed
the monthly download limit of 512MB) they're not so worried.
This includes running servers for non-commercial training purposes.
Their standpoint is if I want a problem to be looked at it has to be
repeatable on their standard configuration as set up at time of installation.
This means a single Win98 PC.

The extra user charge doesn't authorise multiple users, neccessarily but
rather and extra e-mail account (no increase on web space if I remember
correctly). Without a LAN setup, you cant have both users on at the same
time.

Use of Firewall - technical concepts -
======================================

The Firewall PC (I'll stick with the name Firewall PC for now although it
may start to run other things in the future) sits between your LAN and the
cable modem. It should have two NICs. The one on the cable modem side is
set up as a DHCP port (ie Telstra auto allocate it an IP address). The
one connected to your LAN, you need to give a fixed IP address. Let's say
192.168.1.1 for example.

The default route setting on all your LAN PCs should be set to this
address and each should be given it's own fixed IP address - lets say
192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3 etc. These PCs should be configured manually
to have the Telstra DNS addresses as they will not get them via DHCP.
This applies whether your LAN PCs are Windoze or OS/2.

 The LAN PCS talk pure TCPIP to your Firewall PC. If you don't intend
networking between the PCs in the LAN, don't even configure NetBeui on
them and take out any Net start Req from the startup.cmd file on your
OS/2 LAN PCs and any protocol entry apart from TCPIP in MPTS.

  The firewall PC will be configured in MPTS with ONLY TCPIP protocol
on both NICs.

OK if we say lan0 (first card) is the Cable side of the firewall, and
lan1 (second card) is the internal LAN side.

You will be running the Internet firewall with NAT support as the "link"
between your LAN and the Internet.

The internet will not be able to see any PCs inside your LAN directly
and the PCs inside your LAN will only see the Internet by going via
the Firewall PC. Hence the reason why every PC on the LAN will need
a default route defined through TCPCFG2 to point at the firewalls lan1
card (192.168.1.1).

Any IP based applications on the firewall PC are visible from both your
LAN PCs and the Internet. Hence if you want to run an email or web server,
the easiest option is to run it on the Firewall PC however by using the
firewall configuration tables you can set up secure entry to servers on
your LAN from the internet. Please refer to Ian Manner's very good doco
on this - reference to this site at the end of this document.

The firewall is there to stop anyone "hacking" into your LAN, however
anything on the Firewall PC could be considered in a possibly dangerous
area so NEVER store data on the firewall PC. If you want to host some
data on the web site, keep the data on your file server and through
Java programming access this from the firewall PC when required.

IP Addresses. The ISP provided IP address may be a fixed address,
something like 202.134.7.89 but it is more likely to be a DHCP address
from a group of addresses, say anywhere between 202.134.7.1 and
202.134.7.254.  You don't need to know the address for the firewall
to work. The lan0 card is defined in TCPCFG2 to use a DHCP address
and when it connects or re-connects it is given it's address by the
ISP's DHCP server.

Now what happens when a PC on the LAN want's to go to and get
a page from a website ? Well a machine (or "host")'s identification
is not just the IP address but actually the IP address plus a 4 digit
port number.

Lets say PC number 1 on your LAN want's to access a website. The
PC with IP address 192.168.1.2 accesses the firwall PC and the Injoy
software see's this request, if it were simply to pass this through,
the ISP's computer systems wouldn't accept it as it was expecting
requests only from 202.134.7.89 - so it passes the request across
but modifies the packet to say it came from 202.134.7.89. In principal
this is OK, but if multiple PCs on the LAN want to access the internet
how does the Injoy software know where to send the reply back to?
It gets a packet that says it came from 202.134.7.89 (the firewall PC)
but Injoy wouldn't know which LAN PC to pass it back to. So on the
way out Injoy actually increments the port number on the request
and keeps a table of LAN IP addresses and port number increment.
This is called Network Address translation (NAT) or IP masqarading.
So if LAN PC  number 1 makes a request to IP address 11.10.3.4 at
port 80 the request would be sent out perhaps with a return address of
202.34.7.89 port 6080. Lan PC number 2 would perhaps be said to have a
return address of 202.34.7.89 port 7080. When the packets are returned
injoy see's one destined for 202.34.7.89 port 6080 and send it on to
192.168.1.2 port 80, simerly the packet labeled for 202.34.7.89 port
7080 is sent to LAN PC 2 at 192.168.1.3 port 80.

If you are running an email server or web server on the firewall PC,
people can send and receive data from these but only if they know
the IP address of the PC. Hence USERNameat202.34.7.89 - which is probably
going to cause some confusion as people are used to email addresses that
look like UserNameatBillsCo dot com dot au

This is why if you wish to run a server, be it an email or a web server
there has to be a conversion between 202.34.7.89 and BillsCo dot com dot au
somewhere, and this is what a DNS (or Directory Name Server) does.

There has been set up recently a free service to help with this problem.

An organisation called DYNDNS.ORG (Dynmaic DNS) will allow anyone to
use their DNS server to have the IP address to name resolution taken
care of. It also allows for a client (OS/2 supported) on your system
to tell the DNS when your IP address has changed and so no one will
realise that it has changed. If you don't have a fixed IP address
check out their site at WWW.DYNDNS.ORG

Firewall - Hardware.
====================

In-joy firewall does not work with all NICs. I had trouble with an Intel
NIC and I have heard of problems with some Accton models. If you can,
use PCI rather than AT Bus cards.

I'm using an IBM PCI Ethernet (10 Mb/s) card to talk to the Telstra
(Nortel) modem and have a Kingston card from the firewall to my LAN.

The Telstra supplied card is installed in my wife's Win98 PC and my
OS/2 Conv pack / OS/2 Warp 4.5 / Win 98 box is using another IBM card.
So  can't tell you if the (10/100) Telstra card runs under OS/2 or not.

It is important to make sure your network cards are working BEFORE
installing the FX Communications software as acces to MPTS settings
is not possible once the Injoy "fxwrap" module is installed. You can
simply do this by typing ifconfig lan0 and ifconfig lan1 at a command
line. If lan0 (cable) side is working it should show an IP address as
the inet parameter - this is the address allocated by Telstra. The lan1
card should show it's inet as the IP address you configured (192.168.1.1).

Installing the firewall in a default mode (no filtering, no routing) is
simply a matter of running the install script and confirming which port
is external and which internal after you have modified gateway.cf_ and
renamed it as gateway.cf

To start the firewall software simply type (or add to strtup.cmd or the
startup folder)  Gateway -p60

You may chose to customise the firewall further and this will also entail
modifying other cnf files as needed. This is all documented in the
FX communications firewall package.

Login client - Java or Native port to OS/2 from *nix.
=====================================================

I guess the next step is going to be how to setup the login via Cable
using one of the two BPALOGIN clients.

The ported version loads quicker than the Java client, but since it
doesn't re-load very often this is perhaps not so important. The java
client has also recovered dropped connections without problems. I use
Paul's client (which you can get from Hobbes - search on BPALOGIN) but
you could also use the Java one if you have Java installed - that one
I downloaded from http://www.users.bigpond dot net dot au/bpalogin

If you are autostarting the firewall, then you can simply add the following
line into Startup.cmd to perform the log on, or you can create an object in
the startup folder.

BPALOGIN -C bpalogin.conf

(You need to add your userid and password into the bpalogin.conf file).
 

As they always say E & OE - but if I've missed something or got something
wrong please let me know so I can correct it - this is very much a "work
in progress" !
 
 

Useful references:
==================
Hi all

For those who are interested, here is a quick page I put together
lastnight on setting up injoy's Firewall with internal servers.

http://www.os2site dot com/sw/internet/firewall/injoyfirewall.html

I will slowly add to this, and put the rules into tables etc.
As well as add more filters, and a general setup for those
of you who have no internal servers etc.

Cheers
Ian B Manners
 
 
 
 
 

Regards,

Ed Durrant. --------------CF811A86378523D5D1146AB9-- 3============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:48:43 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 There exists UDF support for OS/2 (in fact an updated version 1.2.1 has just been released on Software choice). The blurb suggests it supports DVD and CD-RW drives. My question is simple - How ? (I said the question was simple - the answer may not be !). There are no apparent applications, only drivers, from this I would assume that having installed the software I should simply be able to access the drive (be it DVD or CD-RW) like a harddrive and read and write to it. The readme only lists a few supported DVD drives and no CD-RW drives. These are mix of SCSI and EIDE drives, all of which appear un-obtainable now as the models have been superceded. Before I go and buy a DVD drive I'd like to know if it's likely to work and what I can use it for - ie is this only for normal datafiles are can I read files from DVD movie disks and play them, if so using which software (DiVx ??). I already have a Ricoh CD-RW drive that works well with CD-Record/2. Should the UDF software be able to access and update disks in this drive ?? Cheers/2 Ed Durrant. 4============================================== From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 Hi ED, To sum up my miniscule knowledge of DVD under Os/2, the driver is only supposed to enable DVD DATA read access. In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD under Os/2. An ex member of MelbPc Os/2 SIG, Terry Kemp, has bought a DVD IDE drive and has tried the IBM DVD drivers under os/2 and has expressed his satisfaction of them. He has used them to read a DVD that comes with an english computer magazine, successfully. However, there is _NO_ DVD video or multimedia applications as yet, that are available and that will run and view a DVD under os/2. I would love to be corrected in any of the above. Why don't you dip into your pocket and live dangerously at the bleeding edge of Os/2 technology, and then let us all know from YOUR direct experience. :) :) This would save ME the trouble of trying to find this out. Yours in anticipation, BobT. On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:48:43 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > There exists UDF support for OS/2 (in fact an updated version 1.2.1 has > just been released on Software choice). The blurb suggests it supports > DVD and CD-RW drives. > > My question is simple - How ? (I said the question was simple - the > answer > may not be !). > > There are no apparent applications, only drivers, from this I would > assume > that having installed the software I should simply be able to access the > drive > (be it DVD or CD-RW) like a harddrive and read and write to it. > > The readme only lists a few supported DVD drives and no CD-RW drives. > These are mix of SCSI and EIDE drives, all of which appear > un-obtainable > now as the models have been superceded. Before I go and buy a DVD drive > I'd like to know if it's likely to work and what I can use it for - ie > is this only > for normal datafiles are can I read files from DVD movie disks and play > them, > if so using which software (DiVx ??). > > I already have a Ricoh CD-RW drive that works well with CD-Record/2. > Should > the UDF software be able to access and update disks in this drive ?? > > Cheers/2 > > Ed Durrant. ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ 5============================================== From: "voytek" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:33:34 +1000 Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:09 +1000 (EST), Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: >In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD >under Os/2. even though that's what they say, my now ancient TP770 was able to read DVDs with plain Warp4, just like that 6============================================== From: "Bob Ogden" Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:40:52 +0900 Subject: [os2genau] Bigpond passwords stolen Slashdot has an article on bigpond being cracked and a bunch of passwords being publicly posted to prove it. Australian Broadband Users Group (ABUG) http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ has details. CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD if you're on bigpond! -- /-- Bob Ogden bobatcontact.omen dot com dot au --------------/ / ---... -....- -.--.- Finger for PGP key -----/ Only 31539392274 seconds till the _next_ millennium! 7============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:45:59 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 So warp 4 (without the UDF additions) could already read DVD-Data CDs ? Perhaps this was something with the TP770 Drive ?? Actually since the DVD Drive and a CD Drive re both EIDE Interface, I guess the only problem would be if the file system was different in some way. The DVD "divers" Since the "drivers" are updated EIDE drivers plus an UDF IFS, this would make sense. What I find interesting though is that the doco states these drivers are for DVD, DVD-R *AND* CD-RW. when I try to write to my CD-RW, I get the message that the disk is write protected ! If I try to format it, it comes back and says the file system is CDFS and doesn't do anything else ! Ed. voytek wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:09 +1000 (EST), Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: > > >In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD > >under Os/2. > > even though that's what they say, my now ancient TP770 was able to read DVDs with plain Warp4, just like that > 8============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:47:57 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 It doesn't surprise me that this would be only Data. I guess that I'd have to "rip" a DVD movie track before I could play it perhaps via WarpMedia or Z OS/2 DiVX players. Ed. "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote: > Hi ED, > > To sum up my miniscule knowledge of DVD under Os/2, > the driver is only supposed to enable DVD DATA read access. > > In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD > under Os/2. > > An ex member of MelbPc Os/2 SIG, Terry Kemp, has bought a DVD IDE drive > and has tried the IBM DVD drivers under os/2 and has expressed his satisfaction > of them. He has used them to read a DVD that comes with an english > computer magazine, successfully. > > However, there is _NO_ DVD video or multimedia applications as yet, that > are available and that will run and view a DVD under os/2. > > I would love to be corrected in any of the above. > Why don't you dip into your pocket and live dangerously at the bleeding edge > of Os/2 technology, and then let us all know from YOUR direct experience. :) :) > > > > This would save ME the trouble of trying to find this out. > > Yours in anticipation, > BobT. > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:48:43 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > > There exists UDF support for OS/2 (in fact an updated version 1.2.1 has > > just been released on Software choice). The blurb suggests it supports > > DVD and CD-RW drives. > > > > My question is simple - How ? (I said the question was simple - the > > answer > > may not be !). > > > > There are no apparent applications, only drivers, from this I would > > assume > > that having installed the software I should simply be able to access the > > drive > > (be it DVD or CD-RW) like a harddrive and read and write to it. > > > > The readme only lists a few supported DVD drives and no CD-RW drives. > > These are mix of SCSI and EIDE drives, all of which appear > > un-obtainable > > now as the models have been superceded. Before I go and buy a DVD drive > > I'd like to know if it's likely to work and what I can use it for - ie > > is this only > > for normal datafiles are can I read files from DVD movie disks and play > > them, > > if so using which software (DiVx ??). > > > > I already have a Ricoh CD-RW drive that works well with CD-Record/2. > > Should > > the UDF software be able to access and update disks in this drive ?? > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > Ed Durrant. > > ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) > / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au > \_,--.x/ > 9============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:01:49 +1000 From: Terry Kemp Subject: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released Hi All After a long wait Opera browser for OS/2 has been released . Regards Terry 10============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:10:48 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released Yes, Last week. But this is still a beta, and there are some problems with it - checkout the warpbrowsers list at yahoogroups dot com for details. Ed. Terry Kemp wrote: > Hi All > > After a long wait Opera browser for OS/2 has been released . > > Regards Terry > 11============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:09:26 +1000 From: Terry Kemp Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 22/07/2001 7:47:57 PM, Ed Durrant wrote: Hi ED For your information I Brought a Pioneer 16 Speed DVD the main reason I brought as a replacement for a broken CD-ROM it cost about twice the price of 50 speed CD-ROM , and as bob put said it worked perfectly under OS/2 for DATA only to extract DVD movies you need a decrpiton program called DECSS (WinDOZE) which has been baned by US Courts but is still advaliable . Regards Terry >It doesn't surprise me that this would be only Data. I guess that I'd >have to "rip" a DVD movie track before I could play it perhaps >via WarpMedia or Z OS/2 DiVX players. > >Ed. > >"Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote: > >> Hi ED, >> >> To sum up my miniscule knowledge of DVD under Os/2, >> the driver is only supposed to enable DVD DATA read access. >> >> In other words, you will be able to read and copy files from a DVD >> under Os/2. >> >> An ex member of MelbPc Os/2 SIG, Terry Kemp, has bought a DVD IDE drive >> and has tried the IBM DVD drivers under os/2 and has expressed his satisfaction >> of them. He has used them to read a DVD that comes with an english >> computer magazine, successfully. >> 12============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:08:53 +1000 From: Terry Kemp Subject: [os2genau] http://www.hardwareanalysis dot com/content/reviews/article/1275/ http://www.hardwareanalysis dot com/content/reviews/article/1275/ 13============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:18:46 +1000 From: Terry Kemp Subject: [os2genau] Wrong Address Hi All Sorry wrong address for the previous post !! Regards Terry 14============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:43:01 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 ** Reply to note from Terry Kemp Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:09:26 +1000 > DATA only to extract DVD movies you need a decrpiton program called DECSS > (WinDOZE) which has been baned by > US Courts but is still advaliable . AFAIK, DECSS was developed for/on Linux, not windoze hopefully someone.... might port it to OS/2.. Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 15============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:43:02 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] DVD Support under OS/2 ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:45:59 +1000 > So warp 4 (without the UDF additions) could already read DVD-Data CDs ? > Perhaps this was something with the TP770 Drive ?? Actually since the DVD > Drive and a CD Drive re both EIDE Interface, I guess the only problem would > be if the file system was different in some way. The DVD "divers" > > Since the "drivers" are updated EIDE drivers plus an UDF IFS, this would > make sense. yes. perhaps, the specs for dvd drive stated 'os/2 support' it also worked as a CD for installing OS/2, and, boots OS/2 from bootable CD Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 16============================================== Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:43:04 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] Bigpond passwords stolen ** Reply to note from "Bob Ogden" Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:40:52 +0900 > http://www.whirlpool dot net dot au/ they don't like my browser...: Whirlpool strongly advises you to upgrade your web browser. (btw, StG bank NO LONGER checks browser compliance, N/2 works again...) Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118