Received: from darkside. (darkside. [210.8.201.180]) by mail. (Weasel v1.20) for ; 26 July 2001 01:00:00 From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: CASMailer 1.0 for OS/2 Warp PPC 1.05/G4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 129 Message-ID: <200107260100.000029G6atmail.> Reply-To: Date:- 26 July 2001 1================================================ From: "Ian Manners" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:33:53 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] Power Failure Yep, Murphys Law....... First the UPS goes last night, then tonight we have a power failure for more than an hour. Yep. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Did the lights go out? 2============================================== Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:04:59 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released ** Reply to note from "Michael Block" Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:41:21 +1000 (EST) > >Imho last builds od Odin are worth a try. > > you can also run RealPlayer 8 and Star Office5.2 for > windows with Odin too and almost install Quicktime 5! sorry, as I do not use Win apps, I've never really followed the Odin development so, is Odin an 'up-to-date Win-OS2' ? a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off simply installing windoze under BM ? Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 3============================================== Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:19:02 +1000 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: [os2genau] DIVE problems fixed!! Hi Gavin, I'm guessing, but I suspect full-hardware detection was done upon installing the sound-card. There is stuff in the WPS regarding PnP & of course Video:- it is not all in the config.sys! Gavin Miller wrote: > > Hi All, > > My DIVE problem was fixed when I decided to install a sound card. That's right... a sound card, a SB16 PnP > to be exact. A quick selective install and reboot later... success! > > Cheers > Gavin > -- Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (120 characters max, send no carriage returns) 4============================================== Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:47:29 -0400 From: Chris Neeson Subject: [os2genau] 5 1/4" mini-floppies Hi Daryl. I keep 5 1/4" floppies on hand for similar reasons eg old hardware support executables which expect 5 1/4" drives when the unbundler executes, or being able to read something somebody put onto 5 1/4" floppies years ago and never got around to moving onto 3 1/2" floppies or a hard disk Unfortunately, I'm in Melbourne. But, if you still need some next time you come through give me a call. Regards Chris -------------------- Daryl emailed ----------------------- >Hi, >Don't laugh, but I've just put a 5 1/4" mini-floppy drive in my IBM 310 >Server, occasionally I need to transfer data from that format to >something a bit more modern like CD-R, :) > >Problem is, I've got no floppies to test it with! > >Anybody got any 1.2MB 5 1/4" mini-floppy disks, that still work, that I >could test with in Sydney? > >-- = >Regards, = > >Daryl Pilkington = > >//// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration >O Subject: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI Hi Steve. A couple of comments: IF you install a new OS2 onto a drive F: THEN its config.sys will be full of references to F: ( as the installed boot drive ) as will the Extended Attributes file, AND the ini files OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI IF you then copy that drive to some other drive, AND that new drive has a different drive letter to F: ( at boot ) THEN your CONFIG.SYS and Extended Attributes and OS2*.INI files won't make sense ( neither will a whole heap of product INI files ) ( YES, I have done this! ) Solutions: - use another method, or - you might be able to use LVM to set the same drive 'name' on your target partition as the one you installed OS2 onto, or - I used Norton's DOS DISKEDIT to change ( yes, by hand! ) each and every drive reference in the Extended Attribute file and INI files when I did this, which got me out of trouble ( this method would be an answer AFTER you find out that you've charged up the creek without a drive letter, NOT something you'd plan on doing ), or - anybody with other/better suggestions? Regarding SCSI or IDE, - I prefer SCSI as a protocol/data mover - but, I tend to use IDE for boot partitions ( partly by sentiment, partly because you can always shove a basic IDE card which doesn't even have a BIOS, and uses jumpers for all settings, into a slot to get a boot from a IDE drive; for those times when your motherboard or controller EEPROM/NVRAM settings don't make sense, and you need a boot to run a diagnostic to see what the settings are compared to what you want ) Regards Chris. ---------------- steve emailed -------------------- >Hi. >I will be migrating my warpserver onto some new hardware. >I am considering moving from IDE to SCSI and would apprciate some >recommendations to ease the move. > >I have partitions c: thru h:, warpserver on c:, another bootable >install on f:. >My thoughts are = >1. to partition and format the new drive. = >2. Install a working copy of OS/2 on f: >3. copy via network data on C:, d:, e:, g: & H:. >4. Patch the original (now copied) warpserver config.sys and add scsi >support from working f: >5. Boot to warpserver on c:. >6. Copy f: across. > >Please point out the pitfalls, is the move to scsi warranted, I am >using 10000 rpm ibm drives with 5 yr warranty in another server and >they seem good. > >steve 6============================================== Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:11:57 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released Voytek Eymont schreef: > ** Reply to note from "Michael Block" Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:41:21 +1000 (EST) > > > >Imho last builds od Odin are worth a try. > > > > you can also run RealPlayer 8 and Star Office5.2 for > > windows with Odin too and almost install Quicktime 5! > > sorry, as I do not use Win apps, I've never really followed the Odin development > so, is Odin an 'up-to-date Win-OS2' ? > It's a system to have Win32 native executables run in OS/2. It's still in stage alpha, but last few months there have been some good results. > > a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off > simply installing windoze under BM ? Yes, if you would want to do so. On the other hand, you really don't want it (same for me). So Odin is a nice alternative to have a look at the dark side without sacrifying OS/2 nor anything. BTW: the Opera/2 executive is an OS/2 executive. But it uses the Odin DLL as API. As I told already, it's worth a try. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris 7============================================== Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:52:39 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:11:57 +0200 > It's a system to have Win32 native executables run in OS/2. It's still in thanks > > a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off > > simply installing windoze under BM ? > > Yes, if you would want to do so. On the other hand, you really don't want it > (same for me). well, I didn't want to that, say, 5 years ago. now, I really don't care. I reinstalled original w95 preload on TP, and, added some wincrap apps, and, well, whilst I can't say I'm exstatic... I don't mind some of the win stuff. I perversely love it when win crap GPFs, of course, as it reminds me why I don't use it. so, basically, if I want win-something, I guess, I'll just install win (rtaher than Odin), basically. cause it's easier: recovery CD, come back, done > So Odin is a nice alternative to have a look at the dark side without > sacrifying OS/2 nor anything. > > BTW: the Opera/2 executive is an OS/2 executive. But it uses the Odin DLL as API. > > As I told already, it's worth a try. I'm sure it is, if I only had time.... there is too many things I'd rather, first, before I can try Odin. then again, *perhaps*..... depending on, maybe, Opera/2 feedback.... it just might make an Odin install move up in priority.... who knows. Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 8============================================== From: "Steve Edmonds" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:44:45 +1100 (EDT) Subject: Re: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI Thanks Chris. I will only be copying c: to c: etc up to h: to h: so that should be ok. I should only need to patch the disk drivers on c: to access scsi from the ide setup copied from the old drive. I note the comment regarding > partly because you can always shove a basic IDE card which doesn't even have a BIOS, and uses jumpers for all settings, into a slot to get a boot from a IDE drive; for those times when your motherboard And this is so true for drive/disaster recovery steve On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:12:41 -0400, Chris Neeson wrote: >A couple of comments: > >IF you install a new OS2 onto a drive F: > >THEN its config.sys will be full of references to F: > ( as the installed boot drive ) > > as will the Extended Attributes file, AND > the ini files OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI > >IF you then copy that drive to some other drive, > >AND that new drive has a different drive letter to F: > ( at boot ) > >THEN your CONFIG.SYS and Extended Attributes > and OS2*.INI files won't make sense > ( neither will a whole heap of product > INI files ) > >( YES, I have done this! ) 9============================================== From: "Michael Block" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:43:24 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:04:59, Voytek Eymont wrote: >** Reply to note from "Michael Block" Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:41:21 +1000 (EST) > > >> >Imho last builds od Odin are worth a try. >> >> you can also run RealPlayer 8 and Star Office5.2 for >> windows with Odin too and almost install Quicktime 5! > >sorry, as I do not use Win apps, I've never really followed the Odin development >so, is Odin an 'up-to-date Win-OS2' ? > >a dumb question: if I really wanted to run win apps, wouldn't I be better off >simply installing windoze under BM ? sure that is an option. But if you have a need for real player you can run the windows version as a native OS/2 app without rebooting if that takes your fancy. I don't use windows either - these are installed and run from OS/2. > > > > >Voytek Eymont >SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ >phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 regards Michael Block ---------------------------> Caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry 10============================================== Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:06:59 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI Chris Neeson schreef: > > - anybody with other/better suggestions? > Yep. Just move the files/directories bij means of the drives object. *.ini and EA and WPS will be updated automagically. You need alter the config.sys file manually though. And copy the hidden/system files from the one root to the other: xcopy x:\ f:\ /h /o /t /e /r /v -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris 11============================================== Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:36:49 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Opera for OS/2 Beta Released I think the one area where Odin and Opera/2 together really make sense is Browser plugins. Without Odin, how are you going to play Realplay audio streams from the web? And more and more plugins are only Win32. The Opera/2 (which can use OS/2 or Win32 applications because of ODIN) browser becomes a way to stayon the web and on OS/2. I guess it depends how important these features are to you. Cheers/2 Ed. Voytek Eymont wrote: > now, I really don't care. I reinstalled original w95 preload on TP, and, added some > wincrap apps, and, well, whilst I can't say I'm exstatic... I don't mind some of the > win stuff. > > I perversely love it when win crap GPFs, of course, as it reminds me why I don't use > it. > > so, basically, if I want win-something, I guess, I'll just install win (rtaher than > Odin), basically. cause it's easier: recovery CD, come back, done 12============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:17:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] IDE to SCSI Hi Kris >xcopy x:\ f:\ /h /o /t /e /r /v You forgot the /s as in HOTSERV /h/o/t/s/e/r/v ;-) Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ On a clear disk you can seek forever