Received: from darkside. (darkside. [210.8.201.180]) by mail. (Weasel v1.20) for ; 10 Sep 2001 01:00:00 From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:00:00 +1000 (EDT) Priority: Normal X-Mailer: CASMailer 1.0 for OS/2 Warp PPC 1.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 161 Message-ID: <200109100100.000029G6atmail.> Reply-To: Date:- 10 September 2001 Please reply to ianatos2site dot com to post to the list. A small problem with the list Digest Mode software replacing email address. 1================================================ From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:23:45 +1100 (EDT) Subject: [os2genau] Re Warp Support Hi Ed Re Software Choice and alternatives... this question may have had a thread before but can we address it again? It appears that my Software Choice Sub has expired, so I am attempting to rationalise how I can maintain support and updates. We are very happy with the setup and in reality as long as I knew that the Browser situation was positive for Warp, then I cant really imagine ever changing....!! I guess that we may be able to migrate to linux .? I certainly have no desire to dumb down to MS and the 2000/XP platform.. I certainly have *no* equivalent setup for my voice dicatation on any other platform.. At work we do famously with Warp Server for e business and Warp 4.5 clients and it has performed *faultlessly* for 3 months without a single lockup or trap on any machine and the network is continuously on including our dedicated ADSL gateway ! So to maintain my Browser and Java (mainly) support, should I 1 take out a subscription or "upgrade" ,licence for ecomm station - will this provide the same support as the software choice option? 2 renew my Software Choice? 3 any other suggestions Please also remember the terrible time that I had with IBM Australia and getting them to accept that I even had a SWC subs at the outset!!! Took me 18 months to get a ID and password!! cheers Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist Smart Road Specialist Centre Modbury SA 5092 61 8 8265 4022 (Voice) 61 8 8386 1795 (Fax) gnatsmart-road dot com dot au 2============================================== Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:17:41 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support Hi Graham, Well, you were not the only one to fall foul of IBM Australia's lax attitude regards OS/2 Warp support options. Since your (and other) fiascos, Peter Marfaita in Melbourne has managed to get a definitive statement of what Software choice options are available and what numbers to quote to get them. I have this document on my maxhine at work and I'll send it to you when I get in tomorrow. Although we thought otherwise, it appears what you paid for through employee purchase was software choice support for OS/2 Warp 4 Client, not the more expensive option for the server. Version 4.52 is due out before the end of the year. This is also known as convience pack 2 and includes a browser (not Netscape 4.x) - it may just be a renamed IBM (Warpzilla) browser, or it may be a totally new one - I have only been given "sketchy" information at the moment and this is not even for public release, however since you said one of your concerns was with browser development, this is probably relevant to you. Whatever it turns out to be (perhaps a licenced version of Opera/2 ??), it should ensure compatability with changing Web technologies. eComstation doesn't seem to have "taken-off" in Australia and as yet I have not even seen a copy of it, so I can't comment on it. I have seen components of it in pre-release packages and they looked very promising, however as I said I haven't seen the final product. My present configuration (with which I'm pretty happy) is Warp 4 FP15 (or Warp 4 CP1 on another machine), with TCPIP V 4.3, JAVA 2, IBM Browser (Warpzilla), Opera/2 Browser, ODIN (latest weekly build), NOTES 5.07 (via ODIN) CDRecord/2 and SANE/2. I can do most things with this configuration, although a bit faster machine would probably help. As for Linux. This is always put up as the "windows killer". Great that it has such a strong anti-microsoft following, but from what I have heard, it's certainly not ready to be put into the hands of the "average" user. When installing a device driver to the wrong directory can destroy the whole system requiring a total re-build, which happened to one of my colleagues recently, I'd say there's still some way to go yet!. Also I think linux is more complex than Windows or OS/2 and I strongly believe that the IT industry should be pushing towards simpler "network devices" rather than complex computers, to perform day to day tasks. A computer should by now be as simple to operate as a washing machine or an electric oven. You should be able to turn it on and use it and then simply turn it off when you're finished. Give Windows 2000 a point here, if you switch off the power, it automatically jumps in and does a proper shutdown but we shouldn't NEED a PROPER SHUTDOWN if the device was simpler in the first place ! At the moment there's probably no better way to service your centre than you are doing now. Something major has to happen in the IT industry to simplify these tools and with WINTEL pushing to make everything more complex, it isn't going to happen quickly. If a company starts somthing in this direction, it's likely it'll get steamrollered by the mighty Microsoft machine or one of its lackies. Perhaps you should run a web based Application Server, that simpler netwotk devices such as Palm Pilots or perhaps Games consoles could access via a web browser and run the crucial apps centrally where you can protect against data failure and viruses ?? Who knows ?? This could be made to work, but would the cost of working on the "bleeding edge" be worth it ?? You always have to ask, how much will a change benefit me over what I have working now ?? OK - Sermon over. ........ I'll send you the SC details tomoorow as I said. Cheers/2 Ed. P.S. XP stands not only for eXtra Price but also eXit Privacy and eXtra Problems. Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > Hi Ed > > Re Software Choice and alternatives... > > this question may have had a thread before but can we address it again? > > It appears that my Software Choice Sub has expired, so I am attempting to rationalise how I can maintain support and updates. > 3============================================== Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 17:21:02 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] IBM Browser - to turn off the Dragon For those of you on the WarpBrowsers listserve, I apologise for repeating this buit for others it may be of interest. The question was how to turn off the Breathing dragon when the IBM Browser starts - he's the answer from Mike Kaply (IBM). Two ways: 1. Turn off logos in OS/2. 2. Start mozilla with -quiet or /quiet Mike Kaply IBM Cheers/2 Ed Durrant. 4============================================== From: "Daryl Pilkington" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:21:42 +1000 (EST) Subject: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media Hi, This weekend I've zipped-up 1 of my famous SOE installs of OS/2. I wrote a CD-R of the zip file & immediately tried to unzip it from a Toshiba laptop CD-ROM drive. Problem was, I got file errors, unzipping it. Checking the source zip on my HDD had no problems. I got my camera gear out & cleaned the Toshiba CD-ROM drive lens. I repeated the unzip with the same results. Unzipping the CD-R on my desktop IBM 4x CD-ROM drive, no problems. However, today, 1 day later, I can now read the CD-R reliably. I wrote another CD-R under the same conditions today & also had read errors, immediately after the write. I left the CD-R in my running Toshiba laptop to "cook" & its fine this afternoon. I suspect there was some "settling" time before the freshly-written CD-R media was stable. Has anyone experienced this phenomenom? TECHNICAL APPENDIX: CD-Writer: Yamaha CDR400t, firmware 1.0q CD-ROM: Toshiba XM-1502BN Software: RSJ 2.84 OS: OS/2 Warp 4 XR_M015 base OS FixPak XR_D002 Device Driver FixPak CD-R media: MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (160 characters max) 5============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:22:21 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media Hi Daryl >TECHNICAL APPENDIX: >CD-Writer: >Yamaha CDR400t, firmware 1.0q I've got 2 SCSI Yamaha's here, great units. >CD-R media: >MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB Are these those "cheap" ones ? I've read a review that did mention some weird problems with some of the cheap "unbranded, rebranded" CDR's Including some that required a higher, or lower laser power to get the correct depth pits. These CDR's may fall in the same catagory. Not sure about RSJ but with CD-Record/2, you can controll the laser power settings. (for those of us with a hacker bent) Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ OS/2: The choice of the next generation. 6============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:23:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Browser - to turn off the Dragon Hi Ed >The question was how to turn off the Breathing dragon when the IBM >Browser starts - he's the answer from Mike Kaply (IBM). Never knew there was one :-) I'd better go turn on my logos and have a sqiz. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. No is the answer. 7============================================== From: "Paul Smedley" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:54:26 +0950 Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 18:22:21 +1000, Ian Manners wrote: >I've got 2 SCSI Yamaha's here, great units. I agree here - I have a Yamaha 6416. >>CD-R media: >>MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB > >Are these those "cheap" ones ? With a name like MaxMax could they be anything BUT cheap ones :) Regards, Paul. 8============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 19:41:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media Hi Paul >>I've got 2 SCSI Yamaha's here, great units. >I agree here - I have a Yamaha 6416. I've got the 6416, as well as my first one, a CDR100 (1995) Both work very well under OS/2, no problems with any name brand media (except when I forgot to finalise :-) Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ A 100% right of return both ways. 9============================================== From: "Daryl Pilkington" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:37:45 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support Hi Graham, Don't waste your time with IBM Australia for licensing. Your best bets are: The PC-Therapist, Yours Truly :) I'm a Dealer of Orion Solutions, the Australian Distributor of eComStation. BMT Micro (US) Applications Your best support options for OS/2 are: This ListServ :) Ian Manners Ed Durrant Brian Butler Yours truly :) (Apologies to other competent people) eComStation support is excellent through: http://www.ecomstation dot com eComStation includes a license to use the following products with eComStation: IBM OS/2 Warp v4, IBM Product Number 31L0480M IBM OS/2 Warp Convenience Pak, IBM Product Number AS6Y5NA IBM Desktop on Call for OS/2, IBM Product Number AS6YBNA IBM Lotus SmartSuite for OS/2 r1.6, IBM Number AS76KNA WiseMachine from Serenity Systems International Applause and the TWAIN Consumer Pack from Solution Technologies, Inc InJoy 2.3 Professional Dialer and InJoy PPPoE from F/X Communications HOBLink X/11 for OS/2 from HOB Software Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 Mob: +61-425-251-300 Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (160 characters max) 10============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:59:30 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support >Don't waste your time with IBM Australia for licensing. Here I site, still waiting for someone from IBM to call me back (three calls made to the software[lotus] people), about my SWC. I've got the Username and Password but no one ever seems to want to call me back about my CD(s). Ordering eCS last year has given me my Convience Pack a lot quicker than ordering and paying for SWC in May 2000. So yes, talk to Daryl, or Orion Solutions. My experience previously with BMT Micro is they could not ship SWC to Australia. (other products were ok) And, getting freebies from the IBM Developer Site is also quick (2 weeks ex USA), so I dont know whats up with IBM and that "OS/2" word here in Australia. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ One disk to rule them all, One disk to bind them, One disk to hold the files And in the darkness grind 'em 11============================================== Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 21:39:39 +1000 From: Graham Norton Subject: Re: [os2genau] Re Warp Support Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Don't waste your time with IBM Australia for licensing. > Your best bets are: > > The PC-Therapist, > Yours Truly :) > I'm a Dealer of Orion Solutions, the Australian Distributor of > eComStation. > > BMT Micro (US) > Applications > > Your best support options for OS/2 are: > > This ListServ :) > Ian Manners > Ed Durrant > Brian Butler > Yours truly :) > (Apologies to other competent people) > > eComStation support is excellent through: > http://www.ecomstation dot com > > eComStation includes a license to use the following products with > eComStation: > IBM OS/2 Warp v4, IBM Product Number 31L0480M > > IBM OS/2 Warp Convenience Pak, IBM Product Number AS6Y5NA > > IBM Desktop on Call for OS/2, IBM Product Number AS6YBNA > > IBM Lotus SmartSuite for OS/2 r1.6, IBM Number AS76KNA > > WiseMachine from Serenity Systems International > > Applause and the TWAIN Consumer Pack from Solution Technologies, Inc > > InJoy 2.3 Professional Dialer and InJoy PPPoE from F/X Communications > > HOBLink X/11 for OS/2 from HOB Software > > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > ICQ: 91914134 > Tel: +61-2-8902-1300 > Mob: +61-425-251-300 > Fax: +61-2-9411-3720 > Mob SMS: 0425251300.0000atorangenet dot com dot au (160 characters max) > > > > Hi Daryl the list for ecomm station is impressive *but* in the future (here and now) the internet Browser is vital and I dont see any mention of this. There is on the Software Choice page a recent update on the IBM Web Browser dated 30/8/01 ..,. I cant access it as the SWC page rejects my ID and password and I suspect that I have expired !! (although predicatably there was no warning or courtesy email from IBM about this!!! I guess that I can hope that Warpzilla and Opera stay with it.,.... at present I believe that neither supports Java although promised... this may well be not important in the future as MS state that XP wont support JAva so I will assume that web pages will then have some proprietary MS type junk that only works with IE... its all so depressingly predicatable! 12============================================== From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 22:46:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] ubject: [OT] CD-R media Hi Daryl, I have not had your particular problem, but I have had trouble with blue dye CD blanks on some machines. Sometimes they would read and other times would not. Sometimes taking the CD out of the drive and simply put it back in again would make all the difference. Then again, some drives would not read blue dye CD blanks at all. Notably, NEC CD rom drives. The NEC drive would be ok for first 3 months and then would flatly refuse to read the same blue dye CD's from previous months. I have also noticed an "apparent" dye sensitivity change in many brands of CD drives that were used in unusually bad smokey (cigarette) or fatty (cooking fat or oil - fume) environments. I cannot prove this of course, but that is what seems to be apparent. If the above is true, then I assume that a deposit or film on the laser lens has occurred, or actual degredation of the laser lens. In the case of the NEC drives, I suspect a change or loss in the actual laser itself. Another possibility comes to mind in YOUR case. That is that leaving the CD in the drive to "cook" (your words), would result in the CD disk heating up to a mild degree. Heat equals expansion and the tracks would now be further apart. Either the Toshiba drive might be out of adjustment or your burner drive might be running a bit hot. Burners should not be allowed to get too hot. Some of the early Yamaha burners were reputed to have suffered if allowed to get over heated. I have 2 Yamaha burners and one is the same model as yours. You might have to provide you burner with better ventilation perhaps. Other that that I would suggest you use silver/gold or gold CD blanks. I am not aware of the brand you have used. I am using RSJ CD Writer for OS/2 3.60 and latest versions of RSJ for Win9x and Win2000. Regards, Bobt. On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:21:42 +1000 (EST), Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Hi, > This weekend I've zipped-up 1 of my famous SOE installs of OS/2. > I wrote a CD-R of the zip file & immediately tried to unzip it from a > Toshiba laptop CD-ROM drive. > > Problem was, I got file errors, unzipping it. > Checking the source zip on my HDD had no problems. > I got my camera gear out & cleaned the Toshiba CD-ROM drive lens. > I repeated the unzip with the same results. > > Unzipping the CD-R on my desktop IBM 4x CD-ROM drive, no problems. > > However, today, 1 day later, I can now read the CD-R reliably. > > I wrote another CD-R under the same conditions today & also had read > errors, immediately after the write. > > I left the CD-R in my running Toshiba laptop to "cook" & its fine this > afternoon. > > I suspect there was some "settling" time before the freshly-written > CD-R media was stable. NO. Not likely. > Has anyone experienced this phenomenom? NO. > TECHNICAL APPENDIX: > CD-Writer: > Yamaha CDR400t, firmware 1.0q > > CD-ROM: > Toshiba XM-1502BN > > Software: > RSJ 2.84 > > OS: > OS/2 Warp 4 > XR_M015 base OS FixPak > XR_D002 Device Driver FixPak > > CD-R media: > MaxMax Water Blue CDR-74Min 680MB > > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ 13============================================== From: "Ian Manners" Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:30:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] [OT] CD-R media A bit on heat, fans etc >Some of the early Yamaha burners were reputed to have suffered if allowed >to get over heated. I have 2 Yamaha burners and one is the same model as yours. >You might have to provide you burner with better ventilation perhaps. My old CDR100 use to get very hot the first time I used it, I then promptly installed it in an external case with dual rear fans, as it was obvious to me the ventalation in my then semi-modern VP100 486dx4-100 was not up to the task. (to many side vent holes) The Yamaha 6416 CDR has a small fan in the rear of the unit, not very impressive, and as its mounted in my netfinity, I've removed this fan, and put a plastic cone tube to my (self installed) 7cm bearing fan for my SCSI HD's, drawing the air in through the front of the unit, the netfinity has 5 fans, all bearing models, and two of them are for the SCSI HD's, two fans drawing in air via the front, three (inc PS) extracting the air out the rear. The airflow for the CDR is good but not to fast as to draw excess dust through the front of the CDR HD manufacturers should supply a heat warning, and I've never thought much of the HS fans on CPU's.... As much as I give IBM's software people a hard time, there HW division definitly does the right thing as far as quality ventilation and engineering goes (I'll ignore the Aptivas and NetVistas) Got to love IBM's CPU Heatsinks ! Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ It could be worse... (BOOOM) It's worse.