From: "Digest" To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:00:00 +1100 (EDT) Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 251 Reply-To: Date:- 16 January 2002 1================================================ From: Trevor Clarke Subject: Re: [os2genau] Tekram controller, IDE hdd > 528M + SCSI hdd? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:34:38 +1100 I had some crazy boot behavior when changing my drive & controller setup until I disabled hardware detection... may help? -----Original Message----- From: Ed Durrant [SMTP:edurrantatbigpond dot net dot au] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:51 PM To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au Subject: Re: [os2genau] Tekram controller, IDE hdd > 528M + SCSI hdd? Your new drive (1.23 GB) I suspect is EIDE, not IDE is this correct ?? When you say "track remap" where is this, is this in some special software ? I remember on old motherboards, you have to select one of three options to get around the 528MB IDE barrier but I can't remember what they were, it's sometime since I've had to do that ! Have you tried using the standard IBm or Dani's EIDE drivers rather than the Tekram ones ?? I think you might find that DANIS506.ADD handles Tekram boards, and the IBM IBM1506.ADD may also in the meantime. Cheers/2 Ed. Chris_neeson wrote: > > Does anyone have an OS2 solution for this combination: > > - Tekram IDe adapters w onboard cache ( RAM SIMMs ) > ( EISA and VLB tried so far ) > > - 'large' IDE drives ( >528M ), > ( so Track Remap is enabled in the adapter BIOS Setup ) > > - SCSI hard disk drive ( any size ) > > ( I heard about problems with OS2 drivers and Tekram a while ago, > and thought my system was immune, > but, naturally, it ain't that easy ) > > The hardware combination works OK if the IDE drive is < 528M. > > But, when I install what I want to be my next IDE disk, > ( 1.23G, with Track Remap enabled ) > > - DOS ( Dear Old System? ) works fine > > - but OS2 > > - abends with a Trap D when using the EISA adapter > ( for all versions of Tekram's controller driver ) > > - boots to a DOS prompt OK from floppy when using the VLB adapter, > ( BUT THE SCSI HDD IS NOT RECOGNISED BY THE 'SYSTEM' ) > > Any ideas? > > Regards > Chris > 2============================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:34:59 -0500 From: Chris_neeson Subject: Re: [os2genau] Tekram controller, IDE hdd > 528M + SCSI hdd? Thanks for the reply, Ed EIDE? - not particularly - the specs describe the disk as ATA-2, Run Length Limted - I think 'EIDE' refers to disk controller 'ability' - my controllers are actually described as IDE ( only ) throughout the manual, although it says you can have up to 4 disks per controller ( I thought that was EIDE, IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE ) Track remap? - this was Tekram's method for implementing support for drives with more than 1024cyls - it was implemented in 'firmware' logic, in an EPROM on the controller, although the equations to calculate remapped track addresses aren't necessarily the same across different versions of the 'firmware' - it was similar in concept to OnTrak's Disk Manager, 'remapping' the drive geometry to 'reduce' the number of cylinders by increasing the 'number' of tracks ( but, naturally, its incompatible with Disk Manager ) - its different to LBA, which is another method of addressing locations on disks - Track Remap is turned on or off for these controllers by entering the controller's configuration menu during the boot process ( the prompt for this appears AFTER the prompt for the motherboard's BIOS Setup ). Other Drivers? - not all versions of IBM1S506 recognise these controllers ( you can boot to a command prompt and find OS2 thinks you don't have any IDE drives ! ) - DANIS506 abends with some of these controllers, so I'm not using it ( I want a system software configuration which is compatible with the controller range, so I can shift or recover my disk into any of my hardware configurations ). Regards Chris -------------------------- Ed emailed ------------------------------------------- > Your new drive (1.23 GB) I suspect is EIDE, not IDE is this > correct ?? When you say "track remap" where is this, is this > in some special software ? I remember on old motherboards, > you have to select one of three options to get around the 528MB > IDE barrier but I can't remember what they were, it's sometime > since I've had to do that ! > Have you tried using the standard IBm or Dani's EIDE drivers > rather than the Tekram ones ?? I think you might find that > DANIS506.ADD handles Tekram boards, and the IBM IBM1506.ADD = > may also in the meantime. > Cheers/2 > Ed. = Chris_neeson wrote: >> = >> Does anyone have an OS2 solution for this combination: >> = >> - Tekram IDe adapters w onboard cache ( RAM SIMMs ) >> ( EISA and VLB tried so far ) >> = >> - 'large' IDE drives ( >528M ), >> ( so Track Remap is enabled in the adapter BIOS Setup ) >> = >> - SCSI hard disk drive ( any size ) >> = >> ( I heard about problems with OS2 drivers and Tekram a while ago, >> and thought my system was immune, >> but, naturally, it ain't that easy ) >> = >> The hardware combination works OK if the IDE drive is < 528M. >> = >> But, when I install what I want to be my next IDE disk, >> ( 1.23G, with Track Remap enabled ) >> = >> - DOS ( Dear Old System? ) works fine >> = >> - but OS2 >> = >> - abends with a Trap D when using the EISA adapter >> ( for all versions of Tekram's controller driver ) >> = >> - boots to a DOS prompt OK from floppy when using the VLB adapter, >> ( BUT THE SCSI HDD IS NOT RECOGNISED BY THE 'SYSTEM' ) 3============================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:45:54 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Tekram controller, IDE hdd > 528M + SCSI hdd? LBA was what I was thinking about - so track remap is a Tekram specific technology implemented directly on their controller card, at a hardware level. That should be OK, so we're back to driver compatability issues. I really thought the latest Dani drivers would be the answer. You say that it fails with "some" of these controllers, so you have several machines with Tekram controllers in them ? Perhaps it'd be worth testing with the latest drivers to see which ones work and which not. You may only need to discard one card. Using older style hardware can often be a problem, compatability with newer components isn't always so easy. Sometimes it's simply cheaper and easier to scrap the old cards and use the latest (and normally much cheaper) cards and technology - save's getting grey hair before its time as well ! Cheers/2 Ed. Chris_neeson wrote: > > Thanks for the reply, Ed > > EIDE? > - not particularly > - the specs describe the disk as ATA-2, Run Length Limted > - I think 'EIDE' refers to disk controller 'ability' > - my controllers are actually described as IDE ( only ) > throughout the manual, > although it says you can have up to 4 disks per > controller > ( I thought that was EIDE, > IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE ) > > Track remap? > - this was Tekram's method for implementing support for > drives with more than 1024cyls > - it was implemented in 'firmware' logic, > in an EPROM on the controller, > although the equations to calculate remapped > track addresses aren't necessarily the same across > different versions of the 'firmware' > - it was similar in concept to OnTrak's Disk Manager, > 'remapping' the drive geometry to 'reduce' the > number of cylinders by increasing the 'number' > of tracks > ( but, naturally, its incompatible with Disk Manager ) > - its different to LBA, which is another method of addressing > locations on disks > - Track Remap is turned on or off for these controllers > by entering the controller's configuration menu during > the boot process > ( the prompt for this appears AFTER the prompt for > the motherboard's BIOS Setup ). > > Other Drivers? > - not all versions of IBM1S506 recognise these controllers > ( you can boot to a command prompt and find OS2 thinks > you don't have any IDE drives ! ) > - DANIS506 abends with some of these controllers, > so I'm not using it > ( I want a system software configuration which is > compatible with the controller range, so I can > shift or recover my disk into any of my hardware > configurations ). > > Regards > Chris > > -------------------------- Ed emailed > ------------------------------------------- > > Your new drive (1.23 GB) I suspect is EIDE, not IDE is this > > correct ?? When you say "track remap" where is this, is this > > in some special software ? I remember on old motherboards, > > you have to select one of three options to get around the 528MB > > IDE barrier but I can't remember what they were, it's sometime > > since I've had to do that ! > > > Have you tried using the standard IBm or Dani's EIDE drivers > > rather than the Tekram ones ?? I think you might find that > > DANIS506.ADD handles Tekram boards, and the IBM IBM1506.ADD > > may also in the meantime. > > > Cheers/2 > > > Ed. > > Chris_neeson wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have an OS2 solution for this combination: > >> > >> - Tekram IDe adapters w onboard cache ( RAM SIMMs ) > >> ( EISA and VLB tried so far ) > >> > >> - 'large' IDE drives ( >528M ), > >> ( so Track Remap is enabled in the adapter BIOS Setup ) > >> > >> - SCSI hard disk drive ( any size ) > >> > >> ( I heard about problems with OS2 drivers and Tekram a while ago, > >> and thought my system was immune, > >> but, naturally, it ain't that easy ) > >> > >> The hardware combination works OK if the IDE drive is < 528M. > >> > >> But, when I install what I want to be my next IDE disk, > >> ( 1.23G, with Track Remap enabled ) > >> > >> - DOS ( Dear Old System? ) works fine > >> > >> - but OS2 > >> > >> - abends with a Trap D when using the EISA adapter > >> ( for all versions of Tekram's controller driver ) > >> > >> - boots to a DOS prompt OK from floppy when using the VLB adapter, > >> ( BUT THE SCSI HDD IS NOT RECOGNISED BY THE 'SYSTEM' ) 4============================================== From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:23:13 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: [os2genau] Tekram controller, IDE hdd > 528M + SCSI hdd? Chris, I know you said you had tried the Danis drivers, but this is the latest version as of today. Shee has put out at least 2 more versions in the last 2 weeks. Try the /!BM switch. ---------------Quote on----------------- Daniela's S506 ADD - Release 1.4.0 ---------------------------------- NAME DaniS506.ADD - replacement for IBM1S506.ADD SYNOPSIS EIDE driver with support for Intel, VIA, ALi, SiS, CMD, Promise, Cyrix, HighPoint, AMD, SMSC, ServerWorks, and Opti chipsets, and generic busmaster support for all SFF-8038i compliant chips. This covers virtually *any* EIDE controller built/sold in the past few years and even some just about to be released in the near future. Don't be confused by the generic chip names below! If you are uncertain about your actual controller to be supported, run the DumpIDE utility - it will tell you. *** This driver is *not* compatible to any of the software RAID setups offered *** by some so called IDE RAID controllers (f.e. HPT, Promise FastTrack, AMI)! *** Of course, you may run these chips in non-RAID BIOS setups. ---------------Quote on----------------- Regards, BobT. On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:45:54 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: > LBA was what I was thinking about - so track > remap is a Tekram specific technology implemented > directly on their controller card, at a hardware > level. That should be OK, so we're back to driver > compatability issues. I really thought the latest > Dani drivers would be the answer. > > You say that it fails with "some" of these controllers, > so you have several machines with Tekram controllers > in them ? Perhaps it'd be worth testing with the latest > drivers to see which ones work and which not. You may > only need to discard one card. > > Using older style hardware can often be a problem, > compatability with newer components isn't always so easy. > Sometimes it's simply cheaper and easier to scrap the > old cards and use the latest (and normally much cheaper) > cards and technology - save's getting grey hair before > its time as well ! > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > Chris_neeson wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply, Ed > > > > EIDE? > > - not particularly > > - the specs describe the disk as ATA-2, Run Length Limted > > - I think 'EIDE' refers to disk controller 'ability' > > - my controllers are actually described as IDE ( only ) > > throughout the manual, > > although it says you can have up to 4 disks per > > controller > > ( I thought that was EIDE, > > IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE ) > > > > Track remap? > > - this was Tekram's method for implementing support for > > drives with more than 1024cyls > > - it was implemented in 'firmware' logic, > > in an EPROM on the controller, > > although the equations to calculate remapped > > track addresses aren't necessarily the same across > > different versions of the 'firmware' > > - it was similar in concept to OnTrak's Disk Manager, > > 'remapping' the drive geometry to 'reduce' the > > number of cylinders by increasing the 'number' > > of tracks > > ( but, naturally, its incompatible with Disk Manager ) > > - its different to LBA, which is another method of addressing > > locations on disks > > - Track Remap is turned on or off for these controllers > > by entering the controller's configuration menu during > > the boot process > > ( the prompt for this appears AFTER the prompt for > > the motherboard's BIOS Setup ). > > > > Other Drivers? > > - not all versions of IBM1S506 recognise these controllers > > ( you can boot to a command prompt and find OS2 thinks > > you don't have any IDE drives ! ) > > - DANIS506 abends with some of these controllers, > > so I'm not using it > > ( I want a system software configuration which is > > compatible with the controller range, so I can > > shift or recover my disk into any of my hardware > > configurations ). > > > > Regards > > Chris > > > > -------------------------- Ed emailed > > ------------------------------------------- > > > Your new drive (1.23 GB) I suspect is EIDE, not IDE is this > > > correct ?? When you say "track remap" where is this, is this > > > in some special software ? I remember on old motherboards, > > > you have to select one of three options to get around the 528MB > > > IDE barrier but I can't remember what they were, it's sometime > > > since I've had to do that ! > > > > > Have you tried using the standard IBm or Dani's EIDE drivers > > > rather than the Tekram ones ?? I think you might find that > > > DANIS506.ADD handles Tekram boards, and the IBM IBM1506.ADD > > > may also in the meantime. > > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > > Ed. > > > > Chris_neeson wrote: > > >> > > >> Does anyone have an OS2 solution for this combination: > > >> > > >> - Tekram IDe adapters w onboard cache ( RAM SIMMs ) > > >> ( EISA and VLB tried so far ) > > >> > > >> - 'large' IDE drives ( >528M ), > > >> ( so Track Remap is enabled in the adapter BIOS Setup ) > > >> > > >> - SCSI hard disk drive ( any size ) > > >> > > >> ( I heard about problems with OS2 drivers and Tekram a while ago, > > >> and thought my system was immune, > > >> but, naturally, it ain't that easy ) > > >> > > >> The hardware combination works OK if the IDE drive is < 528M. > > >> > > >> But, when I install what I want to be my next IDE disk, > > >> ( 1.23G, with Track Remap enabled ) > > >> > > >> - DOS ( Dear Old System? ) works fine > > >> > > >> - but OS2 > > >> > > >> - abends with a Trap D when using the EISA adapter > > >> ( for all versions of Tekram's controller driver ) > > >> > > >> - boots to a DOS prompt OK from floppy when using the VLB adapter, > > >> ( BUT THE SCSI HDD IS NOT RECOGNISED BY THE 'SYSTEM' ) ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/