From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:00:10 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 315 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 07 April 2002 Number 315 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: [os2genau] TCPIP questions : Daryl Pilkington" 2 [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Paul Smedley" 3 Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : Gregory Hicks 4 Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas : bob 5 [os2genau] Printers and drivers : Michael Barrow 6 [os2genau] Sony Global | Press Release : Gregory Hicks 7 Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers : Paul Smedley" 8 Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers : Gregory Hicks 9 Re: [os2genau] Sony Global | Press Release : Daryl Pilkington" 10 Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers : amoht" 11 Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers : Michael Block 12 Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers : Ed Durrant 13 [os2genau] CD Burning question. : Ed Durrant 14 Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 15 Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. : Ed Durrant **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 09:16:51 +1000 (EST) From: "Daryl Pilkington" Subject: Re: [os2genau] TCPIP questions Hi Graham, Great, half you DHCP network is already in place. I own an ALCATEL "Speed Touch Home", (STH), nice unit. Unfortunately, you need the NAT function of the Speed Touch Pro to allow you to enable its internal DHCP server safely with your ISP. There is a firmware hack to "upgrade" the Home -> Pro, but if something goes wrong, you could fry your STH, so it becomes a Speed Touch Heaven... The safest solution is to build a smoothwall box: http://www.smoothwall dot org You'll need for the box: P100 processsor (gone from the charts but not from our hearts) 32MB RAM 2 RealTek 8139 chipset 10/100NICs (Skymaster brand is an example) ISA video card (low power consumption, another oldie) For installation you will need: CD-ROM drive Floppy drive I use my STH with Smoothwall. On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 16:59:28 +1100 (EDT), Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > SNIP >I think that we are already running the DHCP server at work set up >by Brian for me!! > >The Home ADSL modem is an ALCATEL "Speed Touch Home" model..... any >help? > SNIP > Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Mob: 0425-251-300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:24:13 +1100 From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas Hi All, Just to let everyone know that there are new betas of both the Injoy dialer and firewall at http://www.fx.dk/beta I've been using the new firewall beta since Friday and I really like it. There's now a graphical rules builder which IMHO is far more intuitive than the previous text file configuration - I even managed to put the firewall PC in stealth mode and craft a firewall rule to let the Telstra Heartbeat through the firewall - somthing I tried and failed with the old Firewall product. There are lots of new features and options - most of which I haven't played with yet, but it will automatically detect and blackwall (ie ban) people who try and hack your firewall. Unfortunately the documentation isn't yet ready for the product, but most things are reasonably intuitive anyway. Theres an inbuilt dhcpd which I intend to play with but haven't had time yet. I'd be interested to hear anyone else's comments on the new version. There's also a sale on licenses of the existing Injoy products - 30% off the normal prices - not sure what the upgrade policy will be from the old products to the new ones though.. Regards, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:36:24 +0930 From: Gregory Hicks Subject: Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas Hi Paul, Paul Smedley wrote: > > > I even managed to put the firewall PC in stealth mode and craft a firewall > rule to let the Telstra Heartbeat through the firewall - Pardon my ignorance, what is the "Telstra Heartbeat"? -- cheers Gregory Hicks Q48036388 3rd Year CQU BIT "I took a bigger challenge - study externally and long distance" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: 07 Apr 2002 10:33:52 +0800 From: bob Subject: Re: [os2genau] New Injoy Betas On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 10:06, Gregory Hicks wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Paul Smedley wrote: > > > > > > > I even managed to put the firewall PC in stealth mode and craft a firewall > > rule to let the Telstra Heartbeat through the firewall - > > > > Pardon my ignorance, what is the "Telstra Heartbeat"? http://www.ozcableguy dot com/heartbeat.html > -- > > cheers -- bob Something witty... and in Latin. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:27:13 -0400 From: Michael Barrow Subject: [os2genau] Printers and drivers Greetings all, As my printer has just died has anyone bought a new printer in the last 6 months? What of the cheap Cannon, Lexmark, HP, etc work with OS/2? Does anyone have a USB printer working? As USB only printer are becoming common in the bottom end of printers. Regards, Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:01:06 +0930 From: Gregory Hicks Subject: [os2genau] Sony Global | Press Release This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7E38B4432CD81848CB16B9F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, A little aside from the normal OS/2 stuff, but interesting to see the result of 20 years or so of development in real-time OS, AI and robotics. http://www.sony.co.jp/en/SonyInfo/News/Press/200203/02-0319E/ -- cheers Gregory Hicks --------------7E38B4432CD81848CB16B9F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Base: "http://www.sony.co.jp/en/SonyInfo/News /Press/200203/02-0319E/" Content-Location: "http://www.sony.co.jp/en/SonyInfo/News /Press/200203/02-0319E/" Sony Global | Press Release
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March 19,2002



Sony Develops Small Biped Entertainment Robot
With Ability to Adopt Its Movement to a Variety of Situations and Offering Rich Communication


Tokyo, Japan - Sony Corporation today announced the development of a prototype small biped entertainment robot "SDR-4X" that can adapt its performance to its environment and situations found in the home to further develop the possibility for a biped-walking robot. Richer communication with people can be realized by a variety of sensor systems, performance control software based on memory and learning, and a flexible biped walking mechanism.

While improving the output performance of small actuators that drive each joint, a newly developed "Real-time Integrated Adaptive Control System" controls a total of 38 joints in the robot's body in real time, based on information from various sensors gathered in real time. More advanced movements are realized by enabling biped walk on irregular and tiled surface plus posture retention control under external pressure. In addition, stable and flexible walk can be achieved by the real time production of walking patterns such as pace and rotation angle in accordance with various situations.
Using two CCD color cameras for image recognition, the SDR-4X can detect the distance between itself and an object by processing the parallax of the two cameras. These cameras allow the robot to perceive the figuration of an object and range between itself and the object to automatically produce a route in order to make its way around the object.

In addition to image recognition, sound recognition, and sound synthesis technologies, communication and movement control technology based on memory is incorporated in the SDR-4X to further enrich communications with people. The SDR-4X can recognize an individual person by detecting the front facial image captured by a color camera. The robot can also detect the direction of a sound source and recognizes an individual speaking by utilizing 7 microphones located inside its head. By using embedded wireless LAN communication functions, the robot can synchronize data processing with an externally connected PC, which enables continuous speech recognition of many vocabularies.

Information on people and the location of an object obtained through image recognition technology is used as short and long term memory information. Based on this information, the SDR-4X can realize more complicated communication and movements. By inputting music and lyric data into the robot, it can produce a singing voice with vibratos and the composition of emotional, dynamic singing through voice synthesis can be realized to improve the robot's entertainment quality.

The SDR-4X will be shown at ROBODEX 2002, an exhibition of "Robots as Partners", from Thursday March 28 to March 31 for 4 days at Pacifico Yokohama in the Yokohama Minatomirai area.

Prototype "SDR-4X" Key Characteristics
1) Real-time Integrated Adaptive Motion Control
Integrated Adaptive Control can be realized in real time for walking on irregular and/or tilted surfaces and retaining posture under external pressure (i.e. when pushed).
- Ability to walk on an irregular surface up to 10mm approximately in variation
- Ability to walk up and down on a tilted surface up to 10 degrees approximately
- To prevent falling over under external pressure, the SDR-4X automatically performs footfall and step back to maintain its standing posture.
- If it falls over, damage will be limited by the robot's flexible joint control and effective damage avoidance posture retention.

sdr-4x To see streaming video of SDR-4X,click here.
(Available between March.19-May 31.)


2) Real-time Gait Pattern Generation Control
This technology produces the necessary walking patterns by altering walking pace, cycle and rotating angle in accordance with the situation and environment, based on information from the robot's sensors. This achieves a stable and smooth gait for autonomous walking.

3) Real-world Space Perception Technology
With 2 CCD cameras embedded in its head, the SDR-4X can detect the distance between itself and an object and perceive the range in-between and the figuration of an object. Based on this information, SDR-4X can automatically calculate a route to make its way around the object. 7 microphones equipped in the head make it possible for the SDR-4X to detect the direction of a sound source.


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4) Multi-modal Human Interaction Technology
1. Individual person detection, recognition learning technology
- Ability to detect and recognize a face (front face) against a complex background
- Ability to memorize up to 10 individual faces through the learning functions
- Ability to recognize individuals by the tone of their voice.

2. Continuous speech recognition and unknown vocabulary acquisition
- Ability to recognize continuous speech for many vocabularies by synchronizing data processing with an externally connected PC via wireless LAN
- Ability to learn and memorize new words not listed on its dictionary.

3. Conversation, performance control technology based on its short-term and long-term memory
In addition to short-term memory functions to temporary memorize individuals and objects, SDR-4X is equipped with long-term memory functions to memorize faces and names through more in-depth communications with people. Emotional information based on a communication experience will be memorized on a long-term memory as well. By utilizing both short and long-term memories, the SDR-4X achieves more complicated conversations and performances.

4. Speech synthesis and singing voice production
- High level of entertainment by emotionally expressive speech and voice production synchronized with full body performance
- Capability to produce singing voice with vibratos through voice synthesis by inputting music and lyric data.
sdr-4x To see streaming video of SDR-4X,click here.
(Available between March.19-May 31.)


5) Safe design for interaction with people
Safe design including a joint structure that does not trap hands and fingers in between joints has been adopted for safe interaction with people

6) Improved expression by adding more degrees of freedom
4 axes in the robot's head and 1 axis in the wrist have been added in order to improve the robot's expression. 5 individually movable fingers are also attached to each hand.

7) Improved performance of small actuators
Compared to the small actuators used in prototype "SDR-3X" announced in November 2000, a more advanced physical performance and response can be achieved by an approximately 30% improvement in the start-up torque, an approximately 15% improvement in rated torque, and an approximately 20% improvement in efficiency.

8) SDR Motion Creator
SDR Motion Creator is a software system that enables the easy production and editing of a variety of movements such as dancing, using a PC. This software also includes automatic correction functions to prevent the robot's falling over while performing complex movements input by a creator or user. This enables the robot to easily produce complicated, personalized performances.


Prototype "SDR-4X" Main Specifications
CPU 64 bit RISC processor (x2)
Main Recording Device 64MB DRAM (x2)
Operating System Aperios (Sony's original real time OS)
Robot Control Architecture OPEN-R
Control Program Supplying media 16MB Memory Stick
Joint Degrees of Freedom Neck: 4 degrees of freedom, Body: 2 degrees of freedom, Arms: 5 degrees of freedom (x2), Legs: 6 degrees of freedom (x2); total 28 degrees of freedom + 5 fingers on each hand
Internal Sensors Distance Detection Infrared Distance Sensor: head x1, hands x2, total 3
Acceleration Detection Trunk: X, Y, Z/3 axes, Legs: X, Y/2 axes
Angular Rate Detection Trunk: X, Y, Z/3 axes
Foot Sole Sensor Power Sensor (each leg: 4 x 2 = total 8)
Thermo Sensor External (x4), Internal (x2)
Touch Sensor Head Pressure Sensitive Rubber
Handle Sheet Switch
Hands Sheet Switch X2
Shoulders Tact Switch X2
Image Input 110,000 pixels 1/5 inch CCD color camera (x2)
Sound Input Microphone (x7)
Sound Output Speaker
Input/Output PC Card Slot (Type II) (x1)
Memory Stick Slot (x1)
Display Eye LED 4096 color (RGB 16 gradation combination)
Ear LED 1 color 16 gradation
Power LED 2 colors (3 colors in simultaneous lighting) Performance/Charging Condition Display
Walking Speed Approximately 6m/minute max (irregular surface)Pace: 10cm, Walking Cycle: 1.0 second/step
Approximately 20m/minute max (flat, smooth surface)Pace: 6.5cm, Walking Cycle: 0.20 second/step
Irregular Surface Walking Ability Irregularity degree: 10mm irregular surface on non-slip condition
Tilt degree: Up to approx. 10 degrees tilted surface on non-slip condition
Weight Approximately 6.5Kg with battery and memory
Dimensions (height x width x depth) Approximately 580 x 260 x 190mm





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Some HP printers apparently work well in OS/2, however I wasn't able to track down a model listed in the current Omni drivers from IBM - from January 2002. Again HP consumable are relatively expensive. I ended up with a Canon S400SP which I'm quite happy with for $250. It has separate tanks for each colour, with the genuine Canon cartidges being $18ea for the Colours and $25 for the black, with the Calidad compatible cartridges being $10ea for colours, and $18 for black at K-Mart. Whilst the OS/2 drivers only output 360x360 vs 1440x720 in Windows, the quality is still quite good for what I print, which is largely emails or websites. Any photo quality stuff we email to a photo lab - at $0.75ea for 6"x4" prints off in TRUE photographic quality, it isn't worth the hassle of printing photos at home (IMHO). However, Canon have just released a new range of USB only printers that aren't currently supported in OS/2. Hope some of the above ramble helps :) Regards, Paul. On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:27:13 -0400, Michael Barrow wrote: >Greetings all, >As my printer has just died has anyone bought a new printer in the last 6 >months? >What of the cheap Cannon, Lexmark, HP, etc work with OS/2? >Does anyone have a USB printer working? As USB only printer are becoming common >in the bottom end of printers. >Regards, >Michael > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:42:37 +0930 From: Gregory Hicks Subject: Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F579B0395C82FE20A1471297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Michael and Paul, Paul Smedley wrote: > Michael, > The answer to your question depends what exactly your needs are. > > > Some HP printers apparently work well in OS/2, however I wasn't able to track down a > model listed in the current Omni drivers from IBM - from January 2002. Again HP > consumable are relatively expensive. I am running a HP Laserjet 1100 under omni driver in OS/2 without complaint. The print is the same as from windows so I now use OS/2 as the printfile/web proxy server. -- cheers Gregory Hicks Q48036388 3rd Year CQU BIT "I took a bigger challenge - study externally and long distance" --------------F579B0395C82FE20A1471297 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ghicks.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gregory Hicks Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ghicks.vcf" begin:vcard n:Hicks;Gregory x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:ghicksatihug dot com dot au fn:Gregory Hicks end:vcard --------------F579B0395C82FE20A1471297-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:40:36 +1000 (EST) From: "Daryl Pilkington" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sony Global | Press Release It has a Sony Memory Stick(tm) (surprise!) On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:01:06 +0930, Gregory Hicks wrote: > >Hi All, > >A little aside from the normal OS/2 stuff, but interesting to see the >result of 20 years or so of development in real-time OS, AI and >robotics. > >http://www.sony.co.jp/en/SonyInfo/News/Press/200203/02-0319E/ > Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au ICQ: 91914134 Mob: 0425-251-300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "amoht" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:27:13 -0400, Michael Barrow wrote: >Greetings all, >As my printer has just died has anyone bought a new printer in the last 6 >months? >What of the cheap Cannon, Lexmark, HP, etc work with OS/2? >Does anyone have a USB printer working? As USB only printer are becoming common >in the bottom end of printers. >Regards, >Michael Hi Michael, I bought an Epson Color Stylus 680 last year. It works OK but costs a fortune to run. I've gone through a fantastic number of cartridges. It's also most annoying as you can't print in colour if the black runs out and can't print in black if the colour runs out. You can now get Ink Jet cartridges which are cheaper. I also find that I can't print a formated spreadsheet from lotus 123 though this may be due to a bug in Lotus although my previous HP 660C had no trouble. I think I will discard this printer shortly and buy a HP 948C. This prints in DOS so should work with ECS. The 930C also prints to DOS and WIN 3.1 so is also a buy but I am told the 948 is newer. Chris Steenhaut says the HP 960C is OK. Regards Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:31:29 +1000 From: Michael Block Subject: Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers On 8/4/2002 9:43 AM, "amoht" wrote: > On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:27:13 -0400, Michael Barrow wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> As my printer has just died has anyone bought a new printer in the last 6 >> months? >> What of the cheap Cannon, Lexmark, HP, etc work with OS/2? >> Does anyone have a USB printer working? As USB only printer are becoming >> common >> in the bottom end of printers. >> Regards, >> Michael > > Hi Michael, > > I bought an Epson Color Stylus 680 last year. > It works OK but costs a fortune to run. I've gone through a fantastic number > of cartridges. It's also most > annoying as you can't print in colour if the black runs out and can't print in > black if the colour runs out. You > can now get Ink Jet cartridges which are cheaper. > I also find that I can't print a formated spreadsheet from lotus 123 though > this may be due to a bug in Lotus > although my previous HP 660C had no trouble. > I think I will discard this printer shortly and buy a HP 948C. This prints in > DOS so should work with ECS. The > 930C also prints to DOS and WIN 3.1 so is also a buy but I am told the 948 is > newer. > > Chris Steenhaut says the HP 960C is OK. > > Regards > > Alan Duval > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > Anyone interested in a lexmark Z51? USB AND parallel connection. I never got the OS/2 USB support to work on my computer but parallel does and anyway YMMV. Make me an offer -- Regards Michael Block ----------------> caca et declina medicus http://members.optushome dot com dot au/mblock/perinatal.html The www home of perinatal psychiatry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:38:04 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Printers and drivers I am VERY HAPPILY running a USB attached Epson Stylus Color 680 under OS/2 with the EPOMNI4 drivers from IBM (2880 DPI max and alignment/head cleaning utils work). I have now found third party suppliers for the toner cartridges (that include a special chip to control them) so price of cartridges has now dropped by 30%. I also have this connected to a parrallel cable so that I can attach my laptop to it when needed. This is no longer a current model but if you search around you should still be able to find one. Cheers/2 Ed Durrant. Michael Barrow wrote: > > Greetings all, > As my printer has just died has anyone bought a new printer in the last 6 > months? > What of the cheap Cannon, Lexmark, HP, etc work with OS/2? > Does anyone have a USB printer working? As USB only printer are becoming common > in the bottom end of printers. > Regards, > Michael > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:47:39 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] CD Burning question. I have found an interesting problem and I wonder if anyone else has seen this. I write my Data CD-Roms using CDRECORD/2 in multi-session mode, so that if necessary, I can add data to them after the initial burn. Recently, I have had the problem that the addition of the 2nd session wont work. Upon investigation, I found the CD Burner couldn't read the CD although other "normal" CD or DVD drives could. I initially thought this was a physical l problem caused by the addition of a label on the CD however to prove whether this is so or not. I have just re burnt the same image and not attached any label. Guess what, same problem ! I think what I have identified is a basic flaw in the design of my (Ricoh) and possibly other CD-Burmers, in so much as they can burn up to 700 MB onto a (80 minute) CD-R but if the initial session of a multi-session CD, such as this one is greater than 650MB, it can't read it, and hence cannot add session number two. Has anyone else seen this ?? Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:18:38 +1000 (EST) From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. Hi Ed. No, not seen this in os/2. I have seen something similar in win98 and win2000 where another program installed a file system driver that interfered with the cd/dvd readers and burner, and none could read the burnt cd disk until the system was rebooted. At a guess (not using CDrecord/2, I use RSJ) you may have a driver conflicting with your cdfs.ifs driver. The most notable possibility is if you are using an OLD version of JJScdrom.dmd as a replacement for the IBM os2cdrom.dmd. The current JJScdrom is very good. In one of the earlier versions, I did have some kind of buggy and weird problems but I cannot remember the actual details. Too long ago, mate. :-) Another possibility is that the burner SHOULD be using the os2cdrom.dmd when being used a reader and is having a problem. In this case you MAY find that JJScdrom.dmd will be a better choice. It used to be the case that the IBM supplied drivers where not capable of displaying more than one session on a cd disk. Hence, the creation of the JJScdrom software to replace IBM. JJScdrom is available from hobbes, of course. Hope this helps. Regards, BobT. On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:47:39 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > I have found an interesting problem and I wonder if anyone else has seen > this. > > I write my Data CD-Roms using CDRECORD/2 in multi-session mode, so that if > necessary, I can add data to them after the initial burn. > > Recently, I have had the problem that the addition of the 2nd session wont > work. Upon investigation, I found the CD Burner couldn't read the CD > although > other "normal" CD or DVD drives could. I initially thought this was a > physical > l problem caused by the addition of a label on the CD however to prove > whether this is so or not. I have just re burnt the same image and not > attached > any label. Guess what, same problem ! > > I think what I have identified is a basic flaw in the design of my (Ricoh) > and possibly other CD-Burmers, in so much as they can burn up to 700 MB onto > a (80 minute) CD-R but if the initial session of a multi-session CD, such as > this one is greater than 650MB, it can't read it, and hence cannot add > session > number two. > > Has anyone else seen this ?? > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:34:07 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] CD Burning question. Thanks Bob, There's a couple of points that conflict with your suggestion though: 1. I CAN read the CD in my DVD/CD Drive, only not in the CD Burner. If it was a CDFS driver type problem, I would have expected both drives not to be able to read it. 2. I can see the same problem on Daryl's PC and that's a completely different (SCSI rather than IDE based) system, with this CD. 3. Other Burnt CD's (created on the same system) are readable in both the Burner and DVD drives. These CDs have far less than 650MB on them however. For the record, I am not using JJSCDROM. "Robert Traynor (BobT)" wrote: > > Hi Ed. > > No, not seen this in os/2. > I have seen something similar in win98 and win2000 where another > program installed a file system driver that interfered with the > cd/dvd readers and burner, and none could read the burnt cd disk > until the system was rebooted. > > At a guess (not using CDrecord/2, I use RSJ) you may have a driver > conflicting with your cdfs.ifs driver. > > The most notable possibility is if you are using an OLD version > of JJScdrom.dmd as a replacement for the IBM os2cdrom.dmd. > The current JJScdrom is very good. > > In one of the earlier versions, I did have some kind of buggy > and weird problems but I cannot remember the actual details. > Too long ago, mate. :-) > > Another possibility is that the burner SHOULD be using the os2cdrom.dmd > when being used a reader and is having a problem. In this case you MAY > find that JJScdrom.dmd will be a better choice. > > It used to be the case that the IBM supplied drivers where not > capable of displaying more than one session on a cd disk. > Hence, the creation of the JJScdrom software to replace IBM. > > JJScdrom is available from hobbes, of course. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > BobT. > > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 21:47:39 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > > I have found an interesting problem and I wonder if anyone else has seen > > this. > > > > I write my Data CD-Roms using CDRECORD/2 in multi-session mode, so that if > > necessary, I can add data to them after the initial burn. > > > > Recently, I have had the problem that the addition of the 2nd session wont > > work. Upon investigation, I found the CD Burner couldn't read the CD > > although > > other "normal" CD or DVD drives could. I initially thought this was a > > physical > > l problem caused by the addition of a label on the CD however to prove > > whether this is so or not. I have just re burnt the same image and not > > attached > > any label. Guess what, same problem ! > > > > I think what I have identified is a basic flaw in the design of my (Ricoh) > > and possibly other CD-Burmers, in so much as they can burn up to 700 MB onto > > a (80 minute) CD-R but if the initial session of a multi-session CD, such as > > this one is greater than 650MB, it can't read it, and hence cannot add > > session > > number two. > > > > Has anyone else seen this ?? > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > Ed. > > > > > > ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) > / Oz \ email rtraynoratnetstra dot com dot au > \_,--.x/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------