From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:00:10 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 329 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Tuesday 23 April 2002 Number 329 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: [os2genau] Voice Type State of the Art? : John Angelico" 2 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : glhudsoatattglobal dot net 3 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut 4 Re: [os2genau] M$ Small Business Server (was Server news) : Ed Durrant 5 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : glhudsoatattglobal dot net 6 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine : Trevor Clarke 7 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine ss : Daryl Pilkington" 8 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine : Trevor Clarke 9 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Ed Durrant 10 [os2genau] Slippage : Ed Durrant 11 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut 12 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Kris Steenhaut 13 Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business : Voytek Eymont **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:05:03 +1000 (EST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Voice Type State of the Art? On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:31:08 +1000, voytek wrote: >On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:39 +1000 (EST), John Angelico wrote: > >>In our voluntary capacity as members of a local historical society > >did the OS/2 SIG change it's name ? > >g,d&r Yep, and my family owns it too! Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldadatmelbpc dot org dot au or talldadatkepl dot com dot au -------------------------------------------- PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Database (n.) more information than you'll ever need. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:36:57 -0700 From: glhudsoatattglobal dot net Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business I did some checking with Mensys about Warp4 and WSeb. They recommend all customers buy eComStation. Mensys has some customers that are still buying Warp4 or WSeb. Mensys still gets Warp4 and WSeb directly from IBM. They are NOT scourging through surplus stores. Glenn > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Yes if the item are an overstock. No if they have to order the > packages themselves from Big Blue. Guys, > please face it: Big Blue doesn't sell OS/2 anymore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:47:31 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business Ed Durrant schreef: > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin, > Texas. And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= > Onderwerp: > Re: OS/2 > Datum: > Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400 > Van: > > Aan: > Kris Steenhaut > Verwijzingen: > 1 > > > > > Hi Kris, > > No I am not involved at all with OS/2. > I used many years ago and I believed to be a product supoerior to Windows 3.1 > But these product have evolved and I am not sure where OS/2 is today. > > On the other hand I am trying to get a Websphere users group started in the > Miami, Florida area. > > I would like to know where did you get that information, I just curios to learn > how that got started > > Regards > Armando Flores > > > > Quoting Kris Steenhaut : > > > Hello, > > > > Sorry for the intrusion, but someone told me you are responsible for the > > IBM > > OS/2 marketing business, which I consider rather doubtfull. > > > > Right, wrong? > > > > -- > > Groeten uit Gent, > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:50:13 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] M$ Small Business Server (was Server news) Whoops, Sorry - Read ALL the text Ed ! Ed. voytek wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:13:40 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > >I call this "dumb user mode" although as far as I know there's no "advanced > >user mode" but hey you admit yourself you payed $600 for the product so > > Ed, pls see my mssg, I was FORWARDING a users' comment. > > I would not purchase a MS operating system (except when I bought and IBM thinkpad with ms bundled...) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:37:21 -0700 From: glhudsoatattglobal dot net Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: > > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= Yes, it is ridiculous. What is it you are trying to prove. IBM probably has more than one person named Armando Flores. Serenity also deals with Mr Flores in Austin. Yes, IBM does not promote OS/2. IBM has lots of products that they sell but spend no money to promote. But IBM DOES still sell OS/2 and they do offer OS/2 support for a fee. Dealers like Mensys get OS/2 product direct from IBM. Serenity pays IBM a fee for support. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:04 +1000 From: Trevor Clarke Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain Don't you think this sort of stuff belongs on COOA? > -----Original Message----- > From: glhudsoatattglobal dot net [SMTP:glhudsoatattglobal dot net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:37 AM > To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au > Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for > e-Business > > > > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very > day: > > > > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= > > Yes, it is ridiculous. What is it you are trying to prove. > > IBM probably has more than one person named Armando Flores. Serenity > also deals with Mr Flores in Austin. > > Yes, IBM does not promote OS/2. IBM has lots of products that they sell > but spend no money to promote. > > But IBM DOES still sell OS/2 and they do offer OS/2 support for a fee. > Dealers like Mensys get OS/2 product direct from IBM. > Serenity pays IBM a fee for support. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" Slater & Gordon Solicitors - http://www.slatergordon dot com dot au Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. 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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:04 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote: > >Don't you think this sort of stuff belongs on COOA? > Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au Mob: 0425-251-300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:48:25 +1000 From: Trevor Clarke Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Busine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain comp.os.os2.advocacy > -----Original Message----- > From: Daryl Pilkington [SMTP:u3232athome.dialix dot com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:26 PM > To: os2genauatos2 dot org dot au > Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for > e-Busine ss > > What is COOA? > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:41:04 +1000, Trevor Clarke wrote: > > > >Don't you think this sort of stuff belongs on COOA? > > > > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > Mob: 0425-251-300 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="InterScan_Disclaimer.txt" Slater & Gordon Solicitors - http://www.slatergordon dot com dot au Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by return email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:06:24 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business Is it possible there are two Amando Flores' ??? Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > Ed Durrant schreef: > > > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin, > > Texas. > > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: > > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= > > > Onderwerp: > > Re: OS/2 > > Datum: > > Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400 > > Van: > > > > Aan: > > Kris Steenhaut > > Verwijzingen: > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kris, > > > > No I am not involved at all with OS/2. > > I used many years ago and I believed to be a product supoerior to Windows 3.1 > > But these product have evolved and I am not sure where OS/2 is today. > > > > On the other hand I am trying to get a Websphere users group started in the > > Miami, Florida area. > > > > I would like to know where did you get that information, I just curios to learn > > how that got started > > > > Regards > > Armando Flores > > > > > > > > Quoting Kris Steenhaut : > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Sorry for the intrusion, but someone told me you are responsible for the > > > IBM > > > OS/2 marketing business, which I consider rather doubtfull. > > > > > > Right, wrong? > > > > > > -- > > > Groeten uit Gent, > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Groeten uit Gent, > > Kris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:13:46 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: [os2genau] Slippage While not directly OS/2 related a lot of us have to work in mixed or total Microsoft environments so I thought this new snippet might be of interest: Recently at their WinHEC conference, Microsoft fleshed out their current plans for new OS releases. The follow-on product to Windows XP code-named "Longhorn" will now be released in 2004, and the new Windows .NET Server product (the follow-on to Windows 2000 Server) won't be available now until early 2003. Of course, there's been a great deal of slippage already of these plans, so we can only guess when these products will *actually* come out . . . . You can read more about this at http://www.eweek dot com/article/0,3658,s=701&a=25620,00.asp As far as I know, the termination of support date for Win NT server has not been moved to correspond with these dates. Normally two versions of an OS are supported by Microsoft - the Current (in the present case Win2000 Server) and the previous - presently Win NT 4 server. Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:14:30 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business glhudsoatattglobal dot net schreef: > > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: > > > > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= > > Yes, it is ridiculous. What is it you are trying to prove. > > IBM probably has more than one person named Armando Flores. Serenity > also deals with Mr Flores in Austin. > Probably? If this person exist, just present his email address. (btw: atibm dot net is history for almost 2 years now. > > Yes, IBM does not promote OS/2. IBM has lots of products that they sell > but spend no money to promote. > > But IBM DOES still sell OS/2 and they do offer OS/2 support for a fee. > Dealers like Mensys get OS/2 product direct from IBM. No they don't. Mensys catalogue is filled with non obtainable items, but the could have some old copies on their shelf. Nevertheless, Big Blue doesn't PROMOTE OS/2 anymore, and as a matter of fact they don't since 1996 already. If you would want to prove otherwise, you've to do better than digging up old horses. > > Serenity pays IBM a fee for support. That's exactly my point. The only way now to purchase is to purchase an eCS copy, and eCS is far from a huge success. Instead of making new users, we are loosing users. Also because IBM is promoting now Linux to new users. For new users, OS/2 doesn't exist anymore as far as IBM is concerned. Face the facts! -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:25:33 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business Ed Durrant schreef: > Is it possible there are two Amando Flores' ??? If you are claiming there is another one, why you just don't give his email address? Why you just don't give us the link to this OFFICIAL statement? ( Yes, I'm sure is was OFFICIAL about 8 years ago). > > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > > > Ed Durrant schreef: > > > > > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin, > > > Texas. > > > > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: > > > > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= > > > > > Onderwerp: > > > Re: OS/2 > > > Datum: > > > Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:53:27 -0400 > > > Van: > > > > > > Aan: > > > Kris Steenhaut > > > Verwijzingen: > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kris, > > > > > > No I am not involved at all with OS/2. > > > I used many years ago and I believed to be a product supoerior to Windows 3.1 > > > But these product have evolved and I am not sure where OS/2 is today. > > > > > > On the other hand I am trying to get a Websphere users group started in the > > > Miami, Florida area. > > > > > > I would like to know where did you get that information, I just curios to learn > > > how that got started > > > > > > Regards > > > Armando Flores > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Kris Steenhaut : > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Sorry for the intrusion, but someone told me you are responsible for the > > > > IBM > > > > OS/2 marketing business, which I consider rather doubtfull. > > > > > > > > Right, wrong? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Groeten uit Gent, > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Groeten uit Gent, > > > > Kris > > > > > > > -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:00:32 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] Purchasing OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:06:24 +1000 > Is it possible there are two Amando Flores' ??? like the old joke, potential and reality: "Dad, what's the difference between...' potentially, there are many/several/plenty A F; and, potentially, they all work on OS/2 marketing, and, potentially... in reality, IBM's whois says there 1 only: Contact IBM Employee directory Search results 1 person was found matching the name you specified. A.V. (Armando) Flores {the joke was a lot funnier, fwiw, albeit, NOT poli-corr., hence, I will not recount it here} > > Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > > > Ed Durrant schreef: > > > > > The reply is from Mr. Armando Flores, OS/2 Market manager, IBM Austin, > > > Texas. > > > > And that's the email Mr Flores Mr. Armando Flores sent to me this very day: > > > > - this is going into the ridiculous, isn't it?= yep. Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------