From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 00:00:14 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 336 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 04 May 2002 Number 336 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? : Gavin Miller" 2 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" 3 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Paul Smedley" 4 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" 5 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Ian Manners" 6 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" 7 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : glhudsoatattglobal dot net 8 Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? : Ed Durrant 9 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Ed Durrant 10 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Ed Durrant 11 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Ed Durrant 12 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : glhudsoatattglobal dot net 13 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" 14 Re: [os2genau] Sound issues : Ian Manners" 15 Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? : Kris Steenhaut **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 08:49:48 +1100 (EDT) From: "Gavin Miller" Subject: Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? Had a bit of a play around and found this: Some pdf files opened perfectly through MIME, while the most recent ones I've received invoked the win-os/2 error, but opened in acrobat manually, or by drag'n drop. I'm using Acrobat 3 for OS/2. Does anyone know if newer version pdf files (those created in the latest Win version) saved in Windows have a header pointing to the Win version of acrobat to account for this behaviour? Cheers Gavin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 08:55:40 +1100 (EDT) From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues I still need help with my sound card, I feel a fool! Brought an Eagle PCI card CM 8738 chip and there are drivers around.... it seemed that this was a 'standard' ... looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the "Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, and set this to IRQ 5.... installed the driver and then it seems OK and in the Hardware properties it appears with the correct IRQ and no apparent conflicts... now I can play the love making 'macaws' video and it appears in all its coloured glory and with the sound loud and clear, BUT... I can't hear or play MIDI or WAV files and even the system sounds are as silent as a monastery! The Midi program runs and I can click on the play button.... no sound. whilst the WAV files seems to momentarily load the player program and then it instanteously disappears as fast as it looked like loading.... frustrating....!!! any suggestions? a clean install? Graham Norton Neurologist "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 09:05:47 -0400 From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Graham, BIOS settings for onboard sound should be OFF if you want to use an addon card.... This is probably causing your problems due to clashing interupts or something between the onboard sound and the addon card.. Regards, Paul. On Sat, 04 May 2002 08:55:40 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: >I still need help with my sound card, I feel a fool! > >Brought an Eagle PCI card CM 8738 chip and there are drivers around.... it >seemed that this was a 'standard' ... > >looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the >"Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, and >set this to IRQ 5.... > >installed the driver and then it seems OK and in the Hardware properties it appears >with the correct IRQ and no apparent conflicts... > >now I can play the love making 'macaws' video and it appears in all its coloured >glory and with the sound loud and clear, BUT... > >I can't hear or play MIDI or WAV files and even the system sounds are as silent as >a monastery! > >The Midi program runs and I can click on the play button.... no sound. > >whilst the WAV files seems to momentarily load the player program and then it >instanteously disappears as fast as it looked like loading.... > >frustrating....!!! any suggestions? a clean install? > > >Graham Norton >Neurologist > >"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows >when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 09:17:22 +1100 (EDT) From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues HI Paul turned off everything that relates to sound in the BIOS and the problem persists! So near and yet so far.... the dancing macaws wear thin after a while! On Sat, 04 May 2002 09:05:47 -0400, Paul Smedley wrote: >Graham, >BIOS settings for onboard sound should be OFF if you want to use an addon card.... > >This is probably causing your problems due to clashing interupts or something >between the onboard sound and the addon card.. > >Regards, > >Paul. > >On Sat, 04 May 2002 08:55:40 +1100, Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > >>I still need help with my sound card, I feel a fool! >> >>Brought an Eagle PCI card CM 8738 chip and there are drivers around.... it >>seemed that this was a 'standard' ... >> >>looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the >>"Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, and >>set this to IRQ 5.... >> >>installed the driver and then it seems OK and in the Hardware properties it appears >>with the correct IRQ and no apparent conflicts... >> >>now I can play the love making 'macaws' video and it appears in all its coloured >>glory and with the sound loud and clear, BUT... >> >>I can't hear or play MIDI or WAV files and even the system sounds are as silent as >>a monastery! >> >>The Midi program runs and I can click on the play button.... no sound. >> >>whilst the WAV files seems to momentarily load the player program and then it >>instanteously disappears as fast as it looked like loading.... >> >>frustrating....!!! any suggestions? a clean install? >> >> >>Graham Norton >>Neurologist >> >>"when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows >>when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" >> >> >> > > > > Graham Norton Neurologist "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 10:04:45 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Hi Graham > looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the > "Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, > and set this to IRQ 5.... Did you also install the small cable from the M/B socket to the socket on the Card for legacy sound ? This little cable doesnt always come with the card as its assumed that you would have no reason to use this, as the only operating system in the world is Windows, so why would you possibly want to use legacy mode with low interrupts ? The other option, turn OFF legacy mode and see what happens. Unless you are adept at manually modifying mmos2.ini, it is also advisable to completely DELETE MMOS2, install the sound card, then RE-install MMOS2. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 09:49:09 +1100 (EDT) From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Hi Ian ^Did you also install the small cable from the M/B socket to the socket ^on the Card for legacy sound ? ^This little cable doesnt always come with the card as its assumed ^that you would have no reason to use this, as the only well this is a new one and there was no 'little cable' that came with the sound card! I have turned off the all the BIOS settings including the legacy settings so that there is no mention of sound in the BIOS and I still only hear sound with the Macaws and nothing else.. shall uninstall the MM aspect and try again! On Sat, 04 May 2002 10:04:45 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Graham > >> looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the >> "Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, >> and set this to IRQ 5.... > >Did you also install the small cable from the M/B socket to the socket >on the Card for legacy sound ? > >This little cable doesnt always come with the card as its assumed >that you would have no reason to use this, as the only >operating system in the world is Windows, so why would you >possibly want to use legacy mode with low interrupts ? > >The other option, turn OFF legacy mode and see what >happens. > >Unless you are adept at manually modifying mmos2.ini, it is >also advisable to completely DELETE MMOS2, install the >sound card, then RE-install MMOS2. > >Cheers >Ian B Manners >http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > Graham Norton Neurologist "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 18:09:50 -0700 From: glhudsoatattglobal dot net Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues > Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > I can't hear or play MIDI or WAV files and even the system sounds are as silent as > a monastery! > > The Midi program runs and I can click on the play button.... no sound. > > whilst the WAV files seems to momentarily load the player program and then it > instanteously disappears as fast as it looked like loading.... I don't think there is anything wrong with your install. I don't think the SB Live or CMedia 8738 support hardware midi. You need the Timidity program ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 12:29:48 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? You might want to consider downloading the Java version of Acrobat Reader. I believe it's compatible with Version 5 of the windows Acrobat reader. I have downloaded it but not got around to trying it out. Cheers/2 Ed. Gavin Miller wrote: > > Had a bit of a play around and found this: > > Some pdf files opened perfectly through MIME, while the most recent ones I've > received invoked the win-os/2 error, but opened in acrobat manually, or by drag'n drop. > > I'm using Acrobat 3 for OS/2. Does anyone know if newer version pdf files (those > created in the latest Win version) saved in Windows have a header pointing to the Win > version of acrobat to account for this behaviour? > > Cheers > Gavin > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 12:32:13 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Unfortunately some of the CMEDIA audio chip OS/2 drivers only work with WAV not Midi - the readme should tell you if this is the case. By the way have you tried the drivers from the CD-Rom that I sent you are have you downloaded from somewhere ?? Cheers/2 Ed. Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > > I still need help with my sound card, I feel a fool! > > Brought an Eagle PCI card CM 8738 chip and there are drivers around.... it > seemed that this was a 'standard' ... > > looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the > "Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, and > set this to IRQ 5.... > > installed the driver and then it seems OK and in the Hardware properties it appears > with the correct IRQ and no apparent conflicts... > > now I can play the love making 'macaws' video and it appears in all its coloured > glory and with the sound loud and clear, BUT... > > I can't hear or play MIDI or WAV files and even the system sounds are as silent as > a monastery! > > The Midi program runs and I can click on the play button.... no sound. > > whilst the WAV files seems to momentarily load the player program and then it > instanteously disappears as fast as it looked like loading.... > > frustrating....!!! any suggestions? a clean install? > > Graham Norton > Neurologist > > "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows > when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 12:53:28 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues I thought the little cable was to allow speaker out to come through the card instead of the internal speakers, or sometimes to connect the CD-Rom audio output to the card. I don't think it's relevant in Graham's case. Sounds more like a driver problem to me. Cheers/2 Ed. Ian Manners wrote: > > Hi Graham > > > looked at BIOS and turned off the Onboard Sound option and turned on the > > "Legacy Sound" option which then gave me an option to set up the IRQ etc ,,,, > > and set this to IRQ 5.... > > Did you also install the small cable from the M/B socket to the socket > on the Card for legacy sound ? > > This little cable doesnt always come with the card as its assumed > that you would have no reason to use this, as the only > operating system in the world is Windows, so why would you > possibly want to use legacy mode with low interrupts ? > > The other option, turn OFF legacy mode and see what > happens. > > Unless you are adept at manually modifying mmos2.ini, it is > also advisable to completely DELETE MMOS2, install the > sound card, then RE-install MMOS2. > > Cheers > Ian B Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 12:55:17 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Hi Glen, For out-of-touch people like me - what does the timidity program do ? I don't think it's a driver is it ? Does it convert midi to WAV ? Cheers/2 Ed. glhudsoatattglobal dot net wrote: > > > Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist wrote: > > I can't hear or play MIDI or WAV files and even the system sounds are as silent as > > a monastery! > > > > The Midi program runs and I can click on the play button.... no sound. > > > > whilst the WAV files seems to momentarily load the player program and then it > > instanteously disappears as fast as it looked like loading.... > > I don't think there is anything wrong with your install. > > I don't think the SB Live or CMedia 8738 support hardware midi. You need > the Timidity program > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 20:30:55 -0700 From: glhudsoatattglobal dot net Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues > Ed Durrant wrote: > > Hi Glen, > For out-of-touch people like me - what does the timidity program do ? I > don't think it's a driver is it ? Does it convert midi to WAV ? ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.reamined.on.ca/doconnor/timidity.html TiMidity MCD for OS/2 Page updated December 11th, 2001. About TiMidity MCD TiMidity plays MIDI and Module (.MOD) files. It does it in software without depending on any hardware MIDI support your soundcard might have. Sound quaility can be much higher because it limited by your CPU's power and memory rather then your soundcard's power and memory. TiMidity usally comes as a stand alone player. TiMidity MCD is a special version that installs at part of OS/2 Multimedia system so that most applications that played MIDI files through your soundcard before, now can play MIDIs through TiMidity at a higher quality. This includes the Multimedia Workplace Shell objects and the Plug-in pack for Netscape. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 13:17:57 +1100 (EDT) From: "Dr Graham Norton FRACP Neurologist" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Hi all have done delete MM and re install and it seems now to work except for MIDI and this issue seems to be covered in thread, although the readme file for the latest version of the drivers 0.1.8 (beta) suggest 'support for MIDI - OPL 3 FM Synthesis" so does this require a different driver?? Microphone... does not work but this may reflect the high quality low output mic that I use.... Graham Norton Neurologist "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:40:18 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Sound issues Hi Graham (ive updated this email, as its been sitting here in the background since this morning...) >well this is a new one and there was no 'little cable' that came with the sound card! Its becoming "normal" for no cable unfortunetly. The cable is for "legacy" IRQ and ADDR ports, it is for PCI audio cards only, and enables you to play those "old" games and use those old audio applications. Its a toss up really as to its need and really depends on the software you are using. >I have turned off the all the BIOS settings including the legacy settings so that there >is no mention of sound in the BIOS and I still only hear sound with the Macaws and >nothing else.. shall uninstall the MM aspect and try again! Its a pain though but reading your description, this should at least fix your wave problem. Some drivers around for a particular card may also only support WAVE, and not MIDI. Another bit that sometimes catches people out, turn the MIDI volume up. And as Glen has pointed out, get the Timidity drivers and give those a go. I've stuck to by tried and true but nolonger available AWE32 and AWE64 cards. The yamaha cards not bad either. reading your last email, its possible there maybe another step to getting MIDI to work but without being there, and reading the driver doc's, could be a bit dangerous for my to say anything and put your wave at risk. Have a go at installing Timidity though. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 09:27:02 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] MIME association PMmail/2??? Ed Durrant schreef: > You might want to consider downloading the Java version of Acrobat Reader. You need a batchfile "AdobeAcrobatViewer.cmd" to have it started, the batchfile must be exactly in this directory: \Java11\AdobeAcrobatViewer\ and the other files in the appropriate directories too and then it might work. Works here, but it's slow as hell. Why not just use Russel Lang's GSview? The install is a bit complicated too, but at least in the end it works properly (and much quicker than any Acrobatic counterpart). > I > believe it's compatible with Version 5 of the windows Acrobat reader. I have > downloaded it but not got around to trying it out. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > Gavin Miller wrote: > > > > Had a bit of a play around and found this: > > > > Some pdf files opened perfectly through MIME, while the most recent ones I've > > received invoked the win-os/2 error, but opened in acrobat manually, or by drag'n drop. > > > > I'm using Acrobat 3 for OS/2. Does anyone know if newer version pdf files (those > > created in the latest Win version) saved in Windows have a header pointing to the Win > > version of acrobat to account for this behaviour? > > > > Cheers > > Gavin > > > > > > > -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------