From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:00:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 349 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Monday 20 May 2002 Number 349 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 [os2genau] Windows users and drivers : Ian Manners" 2 [os2genau] Home networking : Kev Downes 3 Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Daryl Pilkington" 4 Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Ed Durrant 5 Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Kev Downes 6 Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Steve Edmonds 7 Re: [os2genau] Home networking : Ed Durrant **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:09:49 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: [os2genau] Windows users and drivers Hi all A bit of useless information.. In the past year I've had a few Windows only users complain/inform me that the driver they downloaded for their "device" from the os2site dot com drivers section doesnt work for their version of Windows, some of the insueing conversations are quite enlightning of the typical mentality of people educated by microsoft, ie, "Windows is the operating system, so why dont your drivers work ?" Sigh, explaining to people who know enough to install old perepherals in their PC's but dont seem to realise there is more than just Windows on this planet ..... and that OS/2 is a different operating system, not IBM's rebadged copy of Windows ...... I might have to start putting in my MetaTags "NOT FOR WINDOWS" ;-) Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ The word listen contains the same letters as the word silent. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:24:31 +0900 From: Kev Downes Subject: [os2genau] Home networking Hi there all I'm heartened to read from time to time that there respondents to this list who are as "unknowledgeable" as me. That's my diplomatic way of saying I don't feel so alone being such a ditz!! I'm reckon I'm as good as the next guy at installing, setting up, customizing and using the eCS desktop and WPS. I'm not ANY sort of a programmer! Even REXX eludes me as some kind of white man's magic, although I can write *simple* DOS kum OS/2 batch files. I can edit my CONFIG.SYS semi-intelligently and I can edit text or binary .INI files with marginal success. I can install applications and change settings (usually) to suit myself. I have NEVER been able to successfully set up a home network in OS/2-eCS. I don't think I'm stupid (open to argument I guess), but every time I've sought help I get highly technical geek speak. If I understood to level assumed by the "helper" I wouldn't need help in the first place. Will someone PLEASE write a simple step-by-step guide to home network installation for eCS (for me it MUST be eCS so that I too have a set of the relevant icons and notebook pages to follow the procedure). Pictures each speak a thousand words. All I want to do is file and print sharing, internet connection sharing and also be able to do either (or both hopefully) with Win9x boxes. I know enough to know that I need to install NETBIOS and TCP/IP, but answering the questions at install time is beyond me because I don't understand what's being asked. (for example, the word host always confuses me because it seems to be used in different contexts in the same installation) I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get OS/2 - eCS boxes talking. I know there's no money in it for anyone, but if some philanthropic knight in shining armor did a really schmick job of this, in .INF format, I'm sure (s)he'd be a hero throughout the entire OS/2-eCS universe for ever - or for a long time at least!! HEEELLLLLLP!! Kev Downes ========================= Kev Downes Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO! We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation. ========================= "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything; and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and nothing of himself." Blaise Pascal ========================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:47:21 +1000 (EST) From: "Daryl Pilkington" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Home networking Hi Kev, Sadly, whilst OS/2 networking works *extremely* well, the configuration tools, GUI interface et-al are just plain crap. I stopped using the GUI interface tools years ago, now I just hack the individual configuration files:- not a job for a novice. The other problem is OS/2 Warp 4 off-the-CD networking is buggy. Putting in all the FixPaks is a right PITA. eCS is much better, but even then, the eCS update that is available is really required. There is a serious bug in dial-up networking that will trap your box on the eCS 1.0 release, fixable without the eCS Update yes, but not a job for novices. Forget Windows, forget OS/2, start with the basics & learn from there. 1) The Internet is based on Unix technology:- stuff called TCP/IP. 2) File & print sharing is based on NETBIOS technology called Server Message Block, (SMB). It is used by LANTASTIC, OS/2, Windows & a Unix hybrid called SAMBA. ********************************************************************** The above technologies are essentially separate, until you understand this, you'll get confused :) ********************************************************************** Some of the jargon names used appear in both technologies, also confusing novices. The best place to start is the fundamentals of each of the 2 technologies, you can then find the widgets in each OS that configure them. Screen-shots are A Good Idea for locating the widgets in each OS, but unless you know why you need that widget, if it doesn't work, you're in a poo... On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:24:31 +0900, Kev Downes wrote: > >Hi there all > SNIP > >I have NEVER been able to successfully set up a home network in OS/2-eCS. >I don't think I'm stupid (open to argument I guess), but every time I've >sought help I get highly technical geek speak. If I understood to level >assumed by the "helper" I wouldn't need help in the first place. > >Will someone PLEASE write a simple step-by-step guide to home network >installation for eCS (for me it MUST be eCS so that I too have a set of >the relevant icons and notebook pages to follow the procedure). Pictures >each speak a thousand words. All I want to do is file and print sharing, >internet connection sharing and also be able to do either (or both >hopefully) with Win9x boxes. I know enough to know that I need to >install NETBIOS and TCP/IP, but answering the questions at install time >is beyond me because I don't understand what's being asked. (for >example, the word host always confuses me because it seems to be used in >different contexts in the same installation) > >I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get >OS/2 - eCS boxes talking. > SNIP > Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au Mob: 0425-251-300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:47:23 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Home networking I don't know where Kev is located, but this sounds like an ideal workshop item for his local OS/2 User group, rather than trying to explain it over email. As you say Kev, unfortunately a lot of us drop into "geek speak" as you put it (and even argue over flavours of "geek speak". It's far easier to see if someone has understood a point when you're eye-to-eye rather tahn via a computer screen. Cheers/2 Ed. Daryl Pilkington wrote: > > Hi Kev, > > Sadly, whilst OS/2 networking works *extremely* well, the configuration > tools, GUI interface et-al are just plain crap. > > I stopped using the GUI interface tools years ago, now I just hack the > individual configuration files:- not a job for a novice. > > The other problem is OS/2 Warp 4 off-the-CD networking is buggy. > Putting in all the FixPaks is a right PITA. > > eCS is much better, but even then, the eCS update that is available is > really required. > There is a serious bug in dial-up networking that will trap your box on > the eCS 1.0 release, fixable without the eCS Update yes, but not a job > for novices. > > Forget Windows, forget OS/2, start with the basics & learn from there. > > 1) > The Internet is based on Unix technology:- stuff called TCP/IP. > > 2) > File & print sharing is based on NETBIOS technology called Server > Message Block, (SMB). It is used by LANTASTIC, OS/2, Windows & a Unix > hybrid called SAMBA. > > ********************************************************************** > The above technologies are essentially separate, until you understand > this, you'll get confused :) > ********************************************************************** > > Some of the jargon names used appear in both technologies, also > confusing novices. > The best place to start is the fundamentals of each of the 2 > technologies, you can then find the widgets in each OS that configure > them. > > Screen-shots are A Good Idea for locating the widgets in each OS, but > unless you know why you need that widget, if it doesn't work, you're in > a poo... > > On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:24:31 +0900, Kev Downes wrote: > > > >Hi there all > > > SNIP > > > >I have NEVER been able to successfully set up a home network in OS/2-eCS. > >I don't think I'm stupid (open to argument I guess), but every time I've > >sought help I get highly technical geek speak. If I understood to level > >assumed by the "helper" I wouldn't need help in the first place. > > > >Will someone PLEASE write a simple step-by-step guide to home network > >installation for eCS (for me it MUST be eCS so that I too have a set of > >the relevant icons and notebook pages to follow the procedure). Pictures > >each speak a thousand words. All I want to do is file and print sharing, > >internet connection sharing and also be able to do either (or both > >hopefully) with Win9x boxes. I know enough to know that I need to > >install NETBIOS and TCP/IP, but answering the questions at install time > >is beyond me because I don't understand what's being asked. (for > >example, the word host always confuses me because it seems to be used in > >different contexts in the same installation) > > > >I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get > >OS/2 - eCS boxes talking. > > > SNIP > > > > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylpatpc-therapist dot com dot au > Mob: 0425-251-300 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:50:52 +0900 From: Kev Downes Subject: Re: [os2genau] Home networking In <3CE8AA0B.A2F93F3Datbigpond dot net dot au>, on 05/20/2002 at 05:47 PM, Ed Durrant said: >I don't know where Kev is located, but this sounds like an ideal >workshop item for his local OS/2 User group, rather than trying to >explain it over email. That would be great. I don't know even 1 other OS/2-eCS user in Perth, and we don't have a user group here. If I had someone to walk me through it live I'm quite sure I'd be up and running from there, but I've not been able to find anyone within cooee to help me. Cheers Kev ========================= Kev Downes Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. The answer is NO! We use and recommend IBM OS/2 Warp and Serenity System's eComStation. ========================= "Jesus Christ is the centre of everything and the object of everything; and he who does not know him, knows nothing of the order of the world and nothing of himself." Blaise Pascal ========================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:17:38 +1200 From: Steve Edmonds Subject: Re: [os2genau] Home networking On Monday 20 May 2002 14:24, you wrote: > Hi there all > > > I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get > OS/2 - eCS boxes talking. Hi. I keep a diary (kids exercise book) to document my step by step set up instructions. I find os/2 easier than win, less of a lucky dip, if you follow the steps it all works. I am still on W4, not sure if the ecs tools are the same. As you say the "geek speek" can be like a foreign language. I don't know that I have set an OS/2 machine up without networking, so starting without networking could be an unusual starting point for me. I have also adhered to known network cards, 3com and dlink. I know how to configure these, I know they work with os/2, and I know their quirks. My last internet sharing exploit was with IGate, but I think there are other options now. I am sure some instructions will be forthcomming, and I would be interested to see how ecs differs from W4. What is your proposed setup. Which machine is sharing the internet connection. What sort of internet connection. (dial up, on demand, ISDN, ADSL). Which machine(s) has the printer(s) you wish to share. Asuming an rj45 cable (telephone type plug) & not coax cable. What sort of file sharing do you wan't, who accesses who. steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:42:23 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Home networking For a lot of things I find the following page useful, but I suspect this will not help Ken with his needs, but you might want to take a look as it covers a lot of areas that people keep asking about. http://www.haynes97.freeserve.co.uk/ Cheers/2 Ed. Steve Edmonds wrote: > > On Monday 20 May 2002 14:24, you wrote: > > Hi there all > > > > > > I, like any idiot, can network Win9x, but I've never been able to get > > OS/2 - eCS boxes talking. > > Hi. > I keep a diary (kids exercise book) to document my step by step set up > instructions. I find os/2 easier than win, less of a lucky dip, if you follow > the steps it all works. I am still on W4, not sure if the ecs tools are the > same. As you say the "geek speek" can be like a foreign language. I don't > know that I have set an OS/2 machine up without networking, so starting > without networking could be an unusual starting point for me. I have also > adhered to known network cards, 3com and dlink. I know how to configure > these, I know they work with os/2, and I know their quirks. > My last internet sharing exploit was with IGate, but I think there are other > options now. > I am sure some instructions will be forthcomming, and I would be interested > to see how ecs differs from W4. > > What is your proposed setup. > Which machine is sharing the internet connection. > What sort of internet connection. (dial up, on demand, ISDN, ADSL). > Which machine(s) has the printer(s) you wish to share. > Asuming an rj45 cable (telephone type plug) & not coax cable. > What sort of file sharing do you wan't, who accesses who. > > steve > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------