From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:01:07 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 423 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Thursday 15 August 2002 Number 423 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) : Ed Durrant 2 Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator : Ed Durrant 3 Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator : Ed Durrant 4 Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) : Daryl Pilkington" 5 [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Voytek Eymont 6 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : 7 Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) : Ian Manners" 8 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Ed Durrant 9 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Gavin Miller" 10 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Ed Durrant 11 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 12 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : ve" 13 Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? : ve" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:17:35 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) Are you certain that RESOLV is for PPP links, not for DOS TCPIP usage ?? Cheers/2 Ed. Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Hi All, > Can people confirm that some MPTS levels, WR08610?, have a nasty bug > where if the PPP link is up, resolv2, (LAN), is still used for DNS > resolution? > > I suspect this is what is happening with a laptop I've configured with > In-Joy 2.3. > I've got a line in startup.cmd to delete resolv if it wasn't deleted > when the PPP link was terminated but I've seen the situation where if > resolv2 exists resolv isn't read, even though it exists & the PPP link > is up. > > I've written the script below to solve this problem. It runs at > condition: "start at host connect" in In-Joy. People's comments please. > > /* *** ppp_prep.cmd > ****************************************************** */ > /* Purpose: > */ > /* Cleanup LAN interface(s) ready for a PPP interface > */ > /* > */ > /* Daryl Pilkington > */ > /* darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au, +61-425-251-300 > */ > /* version 20020814 > */ > /* > *********************************************************************** > */ > > /* Flush all network & host routing entries */ > "route -fh" > > /* Flush all address translation entries */ > "arp -f" > > /* Delete resolv2, (LAN), DNS resolv file. */ > /* Some MPTS levels will use resolv2, (LAN), even if resolv, (PPP), > exists. */ > "if exist d:\mptn\etc\resolv2 del d:\mptn\etc\resolv2" > > "exit" > > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au > Mob: 0425-251-300 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:19:31 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator Yes, I did all that. As Ian suggested, I'll try the two step approach as I also found in the inf file a comment saying that although Audio-CD is ready to do direct copying, while CDRDAO's is flakey, it won't neccessarily work. Ed. Paul Smedley wrote: > Ed, > Have you setup pages two and three of the DAO setup in the Audio CD Creator? I > believe that these settings are used for the 1:1 CD Copy. > > Regards, > > Paul. > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:35:51 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > >OK I'll try the two step rather than one step method and see how I go. > > > >Cheers/2 > > > >Ed. > > > >Ian Manners wrote: > > > >> Hi Ed > >> > >> >Has anyone else on this list successfully used this part of the program > >> >?? > >> > >> Yes but only with real SCSI CDR's. > >> Make sure you have set the parameters in "CD-Creator Settings" > >> The other thing, I wrote the raw image first before writing to > >> a fresh CD, as I did 101 copys (no spelling mistake :) > >> > >> >As for Gavin's choice of SONY CD-RW, that particular model is not listed > >> >in the documentation but a general comment is that any SCSI-3/MMC > >> >complaint writer (which Gavin's Sony model is), should work OK. > >> > >> Compliant ;-) > >> Hope its not a complaining writer. > >> > >> Cheers > >> Ian B Manners > >> > >> Explore the galaxy--meet new alien races--blow them away! > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:20:07 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] SW: Audio CD Creator About 25GB free - that should be enough .... Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Hi Paul, Ed, et-al, > > The 1:1 CD copy function is only a pseudo on-the-fly copy. > It still needs to create a temporary CD image file, so if you are short > on HDD space, you are out of luck :) > > As previously mentioned, I use Tonigy. > I'm using a 8MB RAM buffer for CD-Creator settings. > I think my TraxData 4260 CD-RW has a 1MB buffer. > > **************************************************************** > For CD->CD copying use CDRECORD with CD-Creator as a front-end & > Tonigy. > > Tonigy, an installable file system, makes CDs appear as an ISO image on > a virtual drive letter & CDRECORD works with ISO CD images. > > So mount a Tonigy drive, tell CDRECORD/2 where the ISO is & burn:- I > can burn from a quad CD-ROM to my quad CD-RW on-the-fly no worries. > **************************************************************** > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:09:55 -0400 (EDT), Paul Smedley wrote: > > >Ed, > >Have you setup pages two and three of the DAO setup in the Audio CD Creator? I > >believe that these settings are used for the 1:1 CD Copy. > > > >Regards, > > > >Paul. > > > SNIP > > > > Regards, > > Daryl Pilkington > > //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration > O \_/ > OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 > IBM Certified Systems Expert > > email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au > Mob: 0425-251-300 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:04:40 +1000 (EST) From: "Daryl Pilkington" Subject: Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) Hi Ed, Yes. On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:17:35 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Are you certain that RESOLV is for PPP links, not for DOS TCPIP usage ?? > SNIP > Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au Mob: 0425-251-300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such option ? (I suspect, debug:g c800 doesn't work these days....) Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:18:15 -1000 From: Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 , Voytek Eymont wrote: >how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such >option ? > >(I suspect, debug:g c800 doesn't work these days....) > > > > >Voytek Eymont >SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ >phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 > > > I don't think you can on the newer IDE drives, I heard that the disk surface for the tracking etc only has read capabilities. But what I do is repartition the disk to a different, smaller size, and then back to the correct size again. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:00:09 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] resolv (PPP) & resolv2 (LAN) Hi Daryl >>Are you certain that RESOLV is for PPP links, not for DOS TCPIP usage ?? My understanding is that RESOLV is a DOS thing, or not used at all with modern TCP/IP. InJoy dialer dynamically places DNS information in its memory space, so you need to ensure that the DNS(s) are entered into the relavant place in InJoy's config. I havent followed all this thread so I could be off on a tangent here. If nothing is entered in InJoys config, then DNS will default to system DNS which uses resolv2. Cheers Ian B Manners Chairman Bill's favorite Windows excuse: "It's better odds than Las Vegas." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:25:41 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? If low level formatting is possible, it will probably be manufacturer specific for EIDE drives. I suggest you check out the manufactuers website. If it's possible, that's where you'll get the diskette image from. Cheers/2 Ed. djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 , Voytek Eymont wrote: > > >how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such > >option ? > > > >(I suspect, debug:g c800 doesn't work these days....) > > > > > > > > > >Voytek Eymont > >SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd > >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ > >phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 > > > > > > > I don't think you can on the newer IDE drives, I heard that the disk > surface for the tracking etc only has read capabilities. > But what I do is repartition the disk to a different, smaller size, and > then back to the correct size again. > Regards > Dennis. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:01:55 +1100 (EDT) From: "Gavin Miller" Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? Excuse my ignorance but........What is Low level formatting? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:24:35 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? A low-level format is one performed directly on the disk, usually by the disk controller itself. This is different to a format that you would do from the operating system in that it actually works at a bit-level right down on the disk surface and erases everything, no just data within partitions ut the partition table and master boot records themselves. A low-level format takes a LONG time. It is not unusual to have to leave one overnight to complete. Like the high-level format the action formating the drive finds and disables and faulty areas on the disk surface. After a low level format is complete, you will have to re-partition and high-level format a drive before it can be used. It's like getting a brand new, never used drive. People will often low level format a drive to ensure confidential data is removed permanently from the drive. Cheers/2 Ed. Gavin Miller wrote: > Excuse my ignorance but........What is Low level formatting? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:15:13 +1000 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? Hi All, This might not be entirely relevant if the topic of discussion is restricted to IDE only drives, but SCSI drives have long had the ability to be Low-level formatted. This utility actually is built into the SCSI controller card itself. My old Adaptec 2940 UW card has this ability and I have had to use this option on occasion. It always worked but took a VERY long time. My newer Adaptec 29160N Ultra 160 SCSI card also has this function built in and I used it to low-level format an old drive that had been used on a different SCSI controller card successfully. I should also mention that the low-level format was followed by a VERIFY function which mapped out any bad sectors and enabled the appearance of a "perfect" hard disk. When I finished I then partitioned and reformatted and finally, copied all the data back to the "refreshed" SCSI drive. Regards, Robert Traynor (BobT) 15 August 2002 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:25:41 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > If low level formatting is possible, it will probably be manufacturer specific for EIDE > drives. I suggest you check out the manufactuers website. If it's possible, that's > where you'll get the diskette image from. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > djn at peninsula.hotkey dot net dot au wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:26:39 , Voytek Eymont wrote: > > >how does one low level format an IDE HD, if the PC BIOS doesn't have such > > >option ? ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:14:22 +1000 From: "ve" Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:01:55 +1100 (EDT), Gavin Miller wrote: >Excuse my ignorance but........What is Low level formatting? bfore a hd can be used, it needs: low level formatting, then, partitioning (fdisk), then, op sys format ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:20:09 +1000 From: "ve" Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: low level format, how ? On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:15:13 +1000, Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: >This might not be entirely relevant if the topic of discussion >is restricted to IDE only drives, but SCSI drives have long had >the ability to be Low-level formatted. This utility actually >is built into the SCSI controller card itself. that's how non-scsi drives were, there was a hd format utility on the controller card; generally at C800. if there was no utility, debug would invoke the format function from controller ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------