From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:03:04 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 505 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Thursday 12 December 2002 Number 505 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: [os2genau] Request for Spam : Ian Manners" 2 Re: [os2genau] Happy Holidays : Ian Manners" 3 Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI : nickl at arach dot net dot au 4 Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. : Ian Manners" 5 Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. : John Wildgoose 6 Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. : Ian Manners" 7 Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI : John Wildgoose 8 Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI : Voytek Eymont 9 Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI : Ed Durrant 10 Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI : Ian Manners" 11 Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI : John Wildgoose 12 Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. : Kris Steenhaut **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:35:52 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Request for Spam Hi Mike >Don't know if it's related, but since the above thread - I think the >last I "erased" was from the 6th December - I haven't received ANYTHING >from the os2genau list - I am currently subscribed for individual >messages. Please advise. The list is just quiet, if you want to check what been to the list, go to the list page and click on "archives", List page URL is at the bottom of this and every email :) Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ A friend is someone you call to help you move. A best friend is someone you call to help you move... a body. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:39:18 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Happy Holidays Hi Chris > I trust that you are all well. Ask me next week when I stop coughing and wheezing, this Melbourne weather...... > Kate and I would like to wish you all a very safe, happy and merry >christmas, new year and beyond. And to you, Kate, and of cause, everyone else on the list. I'm off this weekend to Kalgoorlie & Perth, so I hope everyone has a safe and happy Christmas, and and excellent New Year. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ I'm okay-It's only a flesh wound. Get that file uploaded! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:56:38 +0800 From: nickl at arach dot net dot au Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI Hi Voytek et al In <20021211231255-42636-7 at sbt dot net dot au>, on 12/11/02 at 11:12 PM, "VE" said: >I have IDE HD partitioned as follows: >C: fat Pri D: fat ext E HPFS ext F: JFS ext etc >if I plug in a SCSI CDRW, OS/2 places it after the last IDE HD; windoze >places it as D: ahead of windoze apps that should be D and is now E >any suggestions (aprt from: don't use windoze) ? Something I noticed in early Win9x programmes....could still be true today....it is "set in stone" for them that CD Drive must be D: It makes sense (to them), as, after all "...you only need one partition..." (sic). I also think there are exceptions. I hope this helps in some way Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all. Regards NICK > -- ----------------------------------------------------------- nickl at arach dot net dot au ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:20:19 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. Hi everyone >http://www.ibmlink.ibm dot com/emealets&parms=H_ERIFZP020591 I've had a few off list replies. No need to be depressed, it doesnt mention Convenience Packs, and eComStation is still selling, supported, and available. This announcement is to do with the core OS/2 Warp v4.0 and WSeB. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ picky picky picky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:48:03 +1100 (EST) From: John Wildgoose Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. Ian, This announcement contain the paragraph - The IBM partnumbers specified in this announcement will be withdrawn from marketing. IBM will accept orders for these partnumbers no later than three days prior to the effective date of withdrawal. Normal marketing activities and educational support will not be available unless previous agreement exists between the customer and IBM. .... Is that for "IBM Europe Middle East Africa", because I have seen no marketing of any OS/2 by IBM in Australia for them to withdraw from! jaw On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Ian Manners wrote: > Hi everyone > > >http://www.ibmlink.ibm dot com/emealets&parms=H_ERIFZP020591 > > I've had a few off list replies. > No need to be depressed, it doesnt mention Convenience Packs, > and eComStation is still selling, supported, and available. > This announcement is to do with the core OS/2 Warp v4.0 and > WSeB. > > Cheers > Ian B Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > picky picky picky > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:54:24 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. Hi John >Is that for "IBM Europe Middle East Africa", because I have seen no >marketing of any OS/2 by IBM in Australia for them to withdraw from! Gave me a chuckle as well, as I assume (maybe incorrectly) than the marketing elsewhere is probably similar to Australia. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:46 +1100 (EST) From: John Wildgoose Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI Hi, This looks odd to me. Are you sure that D: is not the end of the file systems Windows recognises? My understanding is that both os/2 and DOS(Windows) treat the IDE drives the same way. Primary partn on master disk on primary controller gets Disk = C:, then primary partn on slave drive on primary controller = D; then Primary prtn on master drive on second controller, then primary partn on slave on second controller. Then goback over the non primary partns on each drive exhausting all partn before moving onto the next drive in the same order. Any partn that has no file system or an unsupported one gets ignored. The dual boot os2 partn will muck up this order for the first couple as it hides the currently non-bootable (sort of flip flops whichever is C and cannot see the other). More recent versions of windows (XP, 2000 and i'm told NT4.0) allow you to override this and specify any letter you like (except A,B, and there must be a C somewhere), I dont know about 98 and ME though. jaw On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 nickl at arach dot net dot au wrote: > Hi Voytek et al > > In <20021211231255-42636-7 at sbt dot net dot au>, on 12/11/02 > at 11:12 PM, "VE" said: > > >I have IDE HD partitioned as follows: > > >C: fat Pri D: fat ext E HPFS ext F: JFS ext etc > > >if I plug in a SCSI CDRW, OS/2 places it after the last IDE HD; windoze > >places it as D: ahead of windoze apps that should be D and is now E > > >any suggestions (aprt from: don't use windoze) ? > > Something I noticed in early Win9x programmes....could still be true > today....it is "set in stone" for them that CD Drive must be D: It makes > sense (to them), as, after all "...you only need one partition..." (sic). > > I also think there are exceptions. I hope this helps in some way > > Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all. > > Regards > > NICK > > > > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > nickl at arach dot net dot au > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:03:39 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI ** Reply to note from John Wildgoose Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:46 +1100 (EST) > This looks odd to me. Are you sure that D: is not the end of the file > systems Windows recognises? My understanding is that both os/2 and > DOS(Windows) treat the IDE drives the same way. Primary partn on > master disk on primary controller gets Disk = C:, then primary partn on > slave drive on primary controller = D; then Primary prtn on master > drive on second controller, then primary partn on slave on second > controller. Then goback over the non primary partns on each drive > exhausting all partn before moving onto the next drive in the same order. > Any partn that has no file system or an unsupported one gets ignored. The > dual boot os2 partn will muck up this order for the first couple as it > hides the currently non-bootable (sort of flip flops whichever is C and > cannot see the other). > > More recent versions of windows (XP, 2000 and i'm told NT4.0) allow you to > override this and specify any letter you like (except A,B, and there must > be a C somewhere), I dont know about 98 and ME though. on this IDE HD windoze will only recognize C and D, both fat, the rest is either HPFS, JFS or Linux. BUT, I lost the partition table once on this, perhaps something got screwed up, I aim to delete all extended partitions, leave the primary, then, re do the extended partitions from LVM Hank's IFS-FAT32: i've installed that, it mounts C: puurfect !, but, it will not let me access D: FAT32 4.5GB, is there a size limit in IFS FAT32 Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:13:50 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI Under OS/2 you can use the reserve drive letter parameter in config.sys to force OS/2 to use a later drive letter for CDs (but I think that's the reverse of what you want). If you're using LVM, I'm pretty sure you can change letters around as you wish. Under Windoze (I presume 2000 or XP as no previous version is supported any more) - go into disk manager to change any drive letter assigment. You'll recognise disk manager, its a rip-off copy of LVM written for Microsoft by Veritas. Cheers/2 Ed. VE wrote: > > I have IDE HD partitioned as follows: > > C: fat Pri D: fat ext E HPFS ext F: JFS ext etc > > if I plug in a SCSI CDRW, OS/2 places it after the last IDE HD; > windoze places it as D: ahead of windoze apps that should be D and is now E > > any suggestions (aprt from: don't use windoze) ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:51:45 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI Hi Vi and Ed >Under OS/2 you can use the reserve drive letter parameter in >config.sys to force OS/2 to use a later drive letter for CDs (but I >think that's the reverse of what you want). If you're using LVM, I'm >pretty sure you can change letters around as you wish. Yes, with LVM you can assign any drive letter to any permanent drive just not two of the same letter obviously. You can also change the CD letter in Windows under Control Panel, system, somewere around there of my memory serves. Just as a lot of IBM desktops use to standardise on G drive for CDROM's. Or am I thinking of NT, so many, it gets confusing. Cheers Ian B Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Clinton's Army: Don't Salute, just wink. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:28:25 +1100 (EST) From: John Wildgoose Subject: Re: [os2genau] ot: windoze drive letter with SCSI Voytek, Is this by any chance an older IDE system? That is plain IDE rather than EIDE? Justa a (rather desperate thought). jaw On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Voytek Eymont wrote: > ** Reply to note from John Wildgoose Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:46 +1100 (EST) > > > > This looks odd to me. Are you sure that D: is not the end of the file > > systems Windows recognises? My understanding is that both os/2 and > > DOS(Windows) treat the IDE drives the same way. Primary partn on > > master disk on primary controller gets Disk = C:, then primary partn on > > slave drive on primary controller = D; then Primary prtn on master > > drive on second controller, then primary partn on slave on second > > controller. Then goback over the non primary partns on each drive > > exhausting all partn before moving onto the next drive in the same order. > > Any partn that has no file system or an unsupported one gets ignored. The > > dual boot os2 partn will muck up this order for the first couple as it > > hides the currently non-bootable (sort of flip flops whichever is C and > > cannot see the other). > > > > More recent versions of windows (XP, 2000 and i'm told NT4.0) allow you to > > override this and specify any letter you like (except A,B, and there must > > be a C somewhere), I dont know about 98 and ME though. > > on this IDE HD windoze will only recognize C and D, both fat, the rest is > either HPFS, JFS or Linux. > > BUT, I lost the partition table once on this, perhaps something got screwed > up, I aim to delete all extended partitions, leave the primary, then, re > do the extended partitions from LVM > > Hank's IFS-FAT32: > > i've installed that, it mounts C: puurfect !, but, it will not let me > access D: FAT32 4.5GB, is there a size limit in IFS FAT32 > > Voytek Eymont > SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd > http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ > phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:43:11 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: [os2genau] IBM Announcement Letter No. ZP02-0591 dated December 10, 2002. Ian Manners schreef: > Hi John > > >Is that for "IBM Europe Middle East Africa", because I have seen no > >marketing of any OS/2 by IBM in Australia for them to withdraw from! > > Gave me a chuckle as well, as I assume (maybe incorrectly) than > the marketing elsewhere is probably similar to Australia. > Big Blue didn't perform any os/2 marketing anywhere in the World since 1996. It is as simple as that. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------