From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:02:05 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 524 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 15 January 2003 Number 524 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 2 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Ed Durrant 3 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 4 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Ed Durrant 5 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Mike O'Connor" 6 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 7 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Mike O'Connor" 8 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 9 Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit : Mike O'Connor" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:09:31 +1100 (EDT) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit Does anyone have any idea as to why I can install Java 1.3 RT and then the Java 1.3 samples and remote debugger and NOT the toolkit? I can not get a CID install to work (it does nothing). In the FI screen under netscape, the Toolkit check box is not allowed to be selected. Any suggestions? -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:19:35 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit I have seen this problem before, but I can't remember what caused it, I think it was something to do with the installation of feature installer in Netscape 4.61. Have you tried re-installing the latest version of feature installer ? Cheers/2 Ed. "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea as to why I can install Java 1.3 RT and then the > Java 1.3 samples and remote debugger and NOT the toolkit? > > I can not get a CID install to work (it does nothing). > > In the FI screen under netscape, the Toolkit check box is not allowed to > be selected. > > Any suggestions? > > -Chris > > WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. > Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 > FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au > BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 > 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: > http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:26:35 +1100 (EDT) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:19:35 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: The last time I could not install _ANY_ of Java 1.3 using it. This time I can install all portions of Java 1.3 EXCEPT the toolkit. So, unless it is an error specific to the toolkit section... No, I've not reinstalled it. But the last time I checked I was running the latest 1.25. -Chris >I have seen this problem before, but I can't remember what caused >it, I think it was something to do with the installation of feature >installer in Netscape 4.61. > >Have you tried re-installing the latest version of feature installer >? > > >Cheers/2 > >Ed. > >"Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any idea as to why I can install Java 1.3 RT and then the >> Java 1.3 samples and remote debugger and NOT the toolkit? >> >> I can not get a CID install to work (it does nothing). >> >> In the FI screen under netscape, the Toolkit check box is not allowed to >> be selected. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> -Chris >> >> WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. >> Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 >> FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au >> BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 >> 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: >> http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au >> > >> > > > -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:40:35 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit I'd still try a re-install of FI. Another point - did I understand correctly that the last time you tried to install, it failed ?? If so check for and remove logf000*.* and logstart.os2 in \os2\install if they're present. Actually these are the files for OS fixpack upgrades, so the name could be different for the Java code install. Cheers/2 Ed. "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:19:35 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: > > The last time I could not install _ANY_ of Java 1.3 using it. This time I > can install all portions of Java 1.3 EXCEPT the toolkit. > So, unless it is an error specific to the toolkit section... > > No, I've not reinstalled it. But the last time I checked I was running the > latest 1.25. > > -Chris > > >I have seen this problem before, but I can't remember what caused > >it, I think it was something to do with the installation of feature > >installer in Netscape 4.61. > > > >Have you tried re-installing the latest version of feature installer > >? > > > > > >Cheers/2 > > > >Ed. > > > >"Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have any idea as to why I can install Java 1.3 RT and then the > >> Java 1.3 samples and remote debugger and NOT the toolkit? > >> > >> I can not get a CID install to work (it does nothing). > >> > >> In the FI screen under netscape, the Toolkit check box is not allowed to > >> be selected. > >> > >> Any suggestions? > >> > >> -Chris > >> > >> WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. > >> Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 > >> FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au > >> BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 > >> 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: > >> http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > -Chris > > WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. > Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 > FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au > BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 > 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: > http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:41:30 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote: >Does anyone have any idea as to why I can install Java 1.3 RT and then the >Java 1.3 samples and remote debugger and NOT the toolkit? > >I can not get a CID install to work (it does nothing). > >In the FI screen under netscape, the Toolkit check box is not allowed to >be selected. > >Any suggestions? > > > Hi Chris, You need to extract both of the executables in the same directory with the -o -d switches. Here are Robin Klitscher's instructions: I've just put the following up on support.misc, but repeat it here. It might help - or not! But here it is anyway: Not sure why you have the problem, but you could consider this. Bypass the desktop install method(s) and go for the jugular by trying the CID method. It still uses FI, I believe, but does not invoke Netscape (though Netscape must not be running). I've done it this way several times, for Java13 and its later re-issues, and now Java131, in MCP and in eCS. Never failed yet - except that, if you're using 4os2, it's probably better to revert to the standard command environment first. Copy javainrt.exe (and javaintk.exe if you want the toolkit) into a directory of your choice and run it to expand (or, if you want the toolkit as well, expand each in turn in the same directory but with the switch javainxx -o, as documented). Among the results you should then have a cid.cmd and a cid.rsp file in the top directory concerned. These are samples. You'll need to modify both of them for your own environment and intentions. Mine are shown below. They install both the runtime and the toolkit to the boot drive. Language US English. The Netscape and IBM Browser plugins are inserted (both reside on the boot drive). Java13 is prevented from becoming the default Java. H: is the boot drive. J:\J13\ is the directory I expanded the packages into and am installing from. J:\SWC\ is where I want the two logfiles to go; and they're re-named from the default to identify them from others. If the following incantations look a bit cryptic as they stand, there's further guidance and explanation in INSCONG.HTM - look in the appropriate ...\language\ subdirectory where you expanded everything. My cid.cmd reads (all in one line): clifi /a:c /r2:j:\j13\cid.rsp /r:j:\j13\en\java13.rsp /b:h: /s:j:\j13\en /l1:j:\swc\ciderr13h.log /l2:j:\swc\cidhist13h.log and the top-directory response file cid.rsp reads: # Please refer to the CID section in INSCONG.HTM for important # information about unattended installation. Java13.Continue=UNATTENDED Java13.LicenseAgree=AGREE JV13Runtime.Selection=1 JV13RuntimeConfig.Selection=1 JV13RuntimeUrls.Selection=1 JV13NSFiles.Selection=1 JV13MZFiles.Selection=1 Java13.RUNDRV=H: JV13DefaultJVM.Selection=0 JV13Samples.Selection=1 JV13SamplesConfig.Selection=1 JV13SamplesUrls.Selection=1 JV13Samples.SMPDRV=H: JV13Toolkit.Selection=1 JV13ToolkitConfig.Selection=1 JV13Debugger.Selection=1 JV13DebuggerUrls.Selection=1 JV13Debugger.DBGDRV=H: Then just run the modified cid.cmd from that directory and sit back and wait. It'll pick up the modified response file cid.rsp. You won't see much happening, but it should happen. All care and no responsibility of course! I'm far from expert; I just got fed up some time back with the shenanigans of GUI installs via FI and Netscape for Java (and TCP/IP), and so felt my way blindly through this. It wasn't necessary to touch the second response file referenced in cid.cmd (...\\java13.rsp); I wouldn't have dared anyway. To my astonishment and delight, it all worked. -- Robin Klitscher Wellington ("Harbour City") NZ -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:53:35 +1100 (EDT) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:40:35 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: >I'd still try a re-install of FI. > >Another point - did I understand correctly that the last time you >tried to install, it failed ?? If so check for and remove Correct. >logf000*.* and logstart.os2 in \os2\install if they're present. >Actually these are the files for OS fixpack upgrades, so the name >could be different for the Java code install. > >Cheers/2 > >Ed. > >"Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: >> >> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:19:35 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: >> >> The last time I could not install _ANY_ of Java 1.3 using it. This time I >> can install all portions of Java 1.3 EXCEPT the toolkit. >> So, unless it is an error specific to the toolkit section... >> >> No, I've not reinstalled it. But the last time I checked I was running the >> latest 1.25. >> >> -Chris >> >> >I have seen this problem before, but I can't remember what caused >> >it, I think it was something to do with the installation of feature >> >installer in Netscape 4.61. >> > >> >Have you tried re-installing the latest version of feature installer >> >? >> > >> > >> >Cheers/2 >> > >> >Ed. >> > >> >"Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone have any idea as to why I can install Java 1.3 RT and then the >> >> Java 1.3 samples and remote debugger and NOT the toolkit? >> >> >> >> I can not get a CID install to work (it does nothing). >> >> >> >> In the FI screen under netscape, the Toolkit check box is not allowed to >> >> be selected. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. >> >> Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 >> >> FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au >> >> BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 >> >> 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: >> >> http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> -Chris >> >> WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. >> Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 >> FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au >> BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 >> 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: >> http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au >> > >> > > > -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:06:30 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:40:35 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: > > > >>I'd still try a re-install of FI. >> Don't bother with FI - not needed with CID >> >>Another point - did I understand correctly that the last time you >>tried to install, it failed ?? If so check for and remove >> >> > >Correct. > > > >>logf000*.* and logstart.os2 in \os2\install if they're present. >>Actually these are the files for OS fixpack upgrades, so the name >>could be different for the Java code install. >> >>Cheers/2 >> >>Ed. >> >>"Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: >> >> >>>On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:19:35 +1100, Ed Durrant wrote: >>> >>>The last time I could not install _ANY_ of Java 1.3 using it. This time I >>>can install all portions of Java 1.3 EXCEPT the toolkit. >>>So, unless it is an error specific to the toolkit section... >>> >>>No, I've not reinstalled it. But the last time I checked I was running the >>>latest 1.25. >>> >>>-Chris >>> >>> Hi Chris, I had exactly the same situation as you until I did the CID install following Robin Klitscher's instructions. See my previous posting. Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:09:48 +1100 (EDT) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit >You need to extract both of the executables in the same directory with >the -o -d switches. That was the missing piece of information! All done. The netscape based install worked fine. Because it did, I didn't try the CID install. Thanks to all for the help. -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0611 PO Box 212 FidoNet: 3:632/344 FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Brunswick Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au BBS: +61-3-9307-0644 VIC 3056 CompuServe: 100250,1645 300-28,800 N,8,1 ANSI Australia Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:20:01 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: [os2genau] Java 1.3 Toolkit Chris Graham [WarpSpeed] wrote: >>You need to extract both of the executables in the same directory with >>the -o -d switches. >> >> > >That was the missing piece of information! > >All done. The netscape based install worked fine. Because it did, I didn't >try the CID install. > >Thanks to all for the help. > >-Chris > > Hi Chris, Glad to help. That particular installation was my first CID experience. Having done it I think I'll use that method for all future installs where it's an option. Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------