From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:04:00 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 608 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 04 May 2003 Number 608 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Ed Durrant 2 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Paul Smedley" 3 Re: modem problems solved, V92 : Wayne 4 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Ed Durrant 5 Re: modem problems solved, V92 : Ed Durrant 6 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Ed Durrant 7 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Paul Smedley" 8 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at : Voytek Eymont 9 Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths : Daryl Pilkington" 10 Re: modem problems solved, V92 : Voytek Eymont 11 Re: modem problems solved, V92 : Voytek Eymont **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:47:25 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths More - even better news on this CD-RW drive. The adds say that the price has been reduced by $10 from $128 to $118, but when I went into the store in Chatswood I found it has been reduced $30 to just $98 !! That's the same price as some of the CD players and this is a 52 x burner. Be careful though, they also have the slower (48x) CW088 model on sale at $98 as well. I think we must have a "closet OS/2er" in Dick Smiths head office as, although the web site staes that the CD Burner is OS/2 compatible (amd it is as a standard MMC device using CDRecord/2), the box doesn't even mention OS/2. Cheers/2 Ed. Ed Durrant wrote: > It also appears that this CyberDrive CW099D CD-RW can burn 100 Min. CDs ! The question is of course > how many readers can read 100 Min. (900 MB) CDs ?? > > Ed. > > Ed Durrant wrote: > > > Check out this special "hot deal" on DSE website - $10 off at the moment > > - AUS$118 inct GST > > > > http://www.dse dot com dot au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/3eb33a63086177e82741c0a87f9c070a/Product/View/XH3466 > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > Ed. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:39:25 +0950 (CST) From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths G'day Ed, On Sun, 04 May 2003 13:47:25 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >More - even better news on this CD-RW drive. > >The adds say that the price has been reduced by $10 from $128 to $118, but when I went into the store >in Chatswood I found it has been reduced $30 to just $98 !! > >That's the same price as some of the CD players and this is a 52 x burner. Be careful though, they also >have the slower (48x) CW088 model on sale at $98 as well. I only paid $105 for my Lite-On 52x burner a month or so ago - at the time the DSE drive was $128. In this weekend's paper, the Lite-On drives have been going for around $85. And personally, I'd prefer Lite-On to Cyberdrive - whoever the hell they are :) Regards, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:41:59 +0830 From: Wayne Subject: Re: modem problems solved, V92 Hi Voytek & Ed >** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Sat, 03 May 2003 20:05:36 +1000 >> Are the additional phones in your home on sockets installed by a qualified telco engineer ? >> >> if you've simply added the sockets yourself, in parrallel to the original one, the >> impedance will reduce and then the modem won't be matched to the line and yes, this will >> cause problems. AFAIK modems aren't aren't matched. They just make a reasonable guess what impedance they are faced with. I use a Maestro Woomera modem (external). This modem WILL change it's impedance to match the ph line (10 steps). The Australian Farmer's Federation commissioned Maestro to produce a modem for "dirty" line conditions & the Woomera is the result. Expensive, but quite impressive! At the end of the day ya got's ta ask yourself. How much will it cost in the long run if you are getting less than optimum speed? When you are comparing dows & Warp speeds, be sure to compare apples with apples. >don't know. some are certainly installed my me, others, might have existed >I am a semi qualified Telstra... how should they be wired ? >does T wire them anything other thatn in parallel ? >I vaguely recall something about the bell ringer something ..? >does that still apply when they don't use bells anymore but some elsctronic buzzers ? >/whatever the fault, the V92 winmodem outperformed external V90/ One cannot judge performance simply by the initial connection speed, as reported by DOIT etc. To get a clear indication of speed, dload a large (compressed) file and monitor what is happening using some program like Smartbar. At the end of the day, it is Bps that is important, not connection speed (which will alter without DOIT telling you) For reference, I'll give you an idea of speeds I get, & I have some dirty line issues. Connection speed:- often 52000 (unimportant & does change when things get rough) Bps compressed:- flat chat, 5656 Bps Bps uncompressed:- over 11000 Bps The Woomera uses V90 & 56Flex, hence the term, dual modem. I plugged this modem in and everything worked without doing anything eg. DOIT, ZOC, PMFAX. I did try the voice side with PMFAX, alas, no show. At the moment, I don't need an answering machine, so this is not an issue. If circumstances change, I will play with it (Woomera) to get it going, or simply plug in my old 33K Maestro. No, I do not have any affiliation with Maestro, just nice to see products that work well. www.maestro dot com dot au If you want a handset on the same ph line, you can plug it into the Woomera which would probably help with misbehaving handsets. Note to Ed:- Looking forward to you demonstrating eCS in Adelaide later this month. Cheers Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:10:39 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths Paul Smedley wrote: > G'day Ed, > > > And personally, I'd prefer Lite-On to Cyberdrive - whoever the hell they are :) > By the generic documentation, I suspect Cyberdrive actually only re-badge other peoples hardware. Actually quite a few well known names buy in and re-badge. Anyway I'm happy with the price and quality of build and the generic documentation does refer to OS/2 and DOS support. I'm about to build it in to replace my Ricoh 8x burner that I only bought a year ago, so I'll see soon enough how well it actually works. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:16:50 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: modem problems solved, V92 I think you hit on the point. Performance depends on the quality (and often price) of the modem. If your modem adjusts to match line impedance, that's a good thing to have, especially on "dirty" lines as you say. Alas not all modems have this feature AFAIK. Guess things may have changed since I used modems - I'm a total convert to Broadband now. My download speed record is over 2Mb/s !! I know others claim more, but this was a single channel download, not multi, so "true" speed. Cheers/2 Ed. Wayne wrote: > Hi Voytek & Ed > > >** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Sat, 03 May 2003 20:05:36 +1000 > > >> Are the additional phones in your home on sockets installed by a qualified telco engineer ? > >> > >> if you've simply added the sockets yourself, in parrallel to the original one, the > >> impedance will reduce and then the modem won't be matched to the line and yes, this will > >> cause problems. > > AFAIK modems aren't aren't matched. They just make a reasonable > guess what impedance they are faced with. > > I use a Maestro Woomera modem (external). This modem WILL > change it's impedance to match the ph line (10 steps). The > Australian Farmer's Federation commissioned Maestro to produce > a modem for "dirty" line conditions & the Woomera is the result. > > Expensive, but quite impressive! At the end of the day ya got's ta > ask yourself. How much will it cost in the long run if you are getting > less than optimum speed? When you are comparing dows & Warp > speeds, be sure to compare apples with apples. > > >don't know. some are certainly installed my me, others, might have existed > > >I am a semi qualified Telstra... how should they be wired ? > > >does T wire them anything other thatn in parallel ? > >I vaguely recall something about the bell ringer something ..? > >does that still apply when they don't use bells anymore but some elsctronic buzzers ? > > >/whatever the fault, the V92 winmodem outperformed external V90/ > > One cannot judge performance simply by the initial connection speed, as > reported > by DOIT etc. To get a clear indication of speed, dload a large > (compressed) file > and monitor what is happening using some program like Smartbar. At the > end of > the day, it is Bps that is important, not connection speed (which will > alter without > DOIT telling you) > > For reference, I'll give you an idea of speeds I get, & I have some > dirty line issues. > Connection speed:- often 52000 (unimportant & does change when things > get rough) > Bps compressed:- flat chat, 5656 Bps > Bps uncompressed:- over 11000 Bps > > The Woomera uses V90 & 56Flex, hence the term, dual modem. > > I plugged this modem in and everything worked without doing anything eg. > DOIT, ZOC, > PMFAX. I did try the voice side with PMFAX, alas, no show. At the > moment, I don't > need an answering machine, so this is not an issue. If circumstances > change, I will > play with it (Woomera) to get it going, or simply plug in my old 33K > Maestro. > > No, I do not have any affiliation with Maestro, just nice to see > products that work well. > www.maestro dot com dot au > > If you want a handset on the same ph line, you can plug it into the > Woomera which > would probably help with misbehaving handsets. > > Note to Ed:- > Looking forward to you demonstrating eCS in Adelaide later this month. > > Cheers > Wayne > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:28:07 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths Ed Durrant wrote: > I'm about to build it in to replace my Ricoh 8x burner that I only bought a year ago, so > I'll see soon enough how well it actually works. > Works fine - 600 MB written in 2 minutes !! I couldn't believe it ! I used the CD sample supplied with the drive, so I expect it's rated at 52 X (says just "multi-speed"), recorded at 52 x using CDRECORD/2. I've checked the CD produced and all data is accessible. Next thing is to test if overburn will work on it. I have some 800MB (90Minute) CD-Rs. It's supposed to be able to write 99 (or at least 94) minute CDs. This depends on getting suitable media - apparently SAST (one of the cheap makes) is best ! Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:50:21 +0950 (CST) From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths Hi Ed, On Sun, 04 May 2003 19:28:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Works fine - 600 MB written in 2 minutes !! I couldn't believe it ! I used the CD sample >supplied with the drive, so I expect it's rated at 52 X (says just "multi-speed"), recorded at >52 x using CDRECORD/2. I've checked the CD produced and all data is accessible. Yeah 52x is nice :) I moved from 20x to 52x and love it :) >Next thing is to test if overburn will work on it. I have some 800MB (90Minute) CD-Rs. It's >supposed to be able to write 99 (or at least 94) minute CDs. This depends on getting suitable >media - apparently SAST (one of the cheap makes) is best ! Let me know how you go with Overburn and cdrecord. I haven't been able to get it to work in OS/2 using the -overburn option on an ISO that was like 80:30 long. Interestingly enogh, Nero under Win98 worked perfectly on the same media that failed a test write with cdrecord. Regards, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 22:34:42 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Sun, 04 May 2003 13:47:25 +1000 > The adds say that the price has been reduced by $10 from $128 to $118, but when I went into the store > in Chatswood I found it has been reduced $30 to just $98 !! > > That's the same price as some of the CD players ahem, last I checked, CD ROMs were about $35 retail, and, CD-R/RW $95 (Acer brand BenQ) (that was several weeks ago when I dicovered my Sony SCSI CDROM won't read CD-RWs) > and this is a 52 x burner. Be careful though, they also > have the slower (48x) CW088 model on sale at $98 as well. 80 m/52=1.54 80 m/48=1.67 Voytek Eymont ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:54:57 +1000 (EST) From: "Daryl Pilkington" Subject: Re: 52x CD Burner (24x CD-RW) that lists OS/2 support at Dick Smiths Gosh Ed, I feel positively ancient, my CDR400t & CDRW2460 SCSI Yamaha writers just chug along, often making redbook audio CDs at 1x just so they work well in ancient CD-players. On Sun, 04 May 2003 19:28:07 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > >Ed Durrant wrote: > >> I'm about to build it in to replace my Ricoh 8x burner that I only bought a year ago, so >> I'll see soon enough how well it actually works. >> > >Works fine - 600 MB written in 2 minutes !! I couldn't believe it ! I used the CD sample >supplied with the drive, so I expect it's rated at 52 X (says just "multi-speed"), recorded at >52 x using CDRECORD/2. I've checked the CD produced and all data is accessible. > >Next thing is to test if overburn will work on it. I have some 800MB (90Minute) CD-Rs. It's >supposed to be able to write 99 (or at least 94) minute CDs. This depends on getting suitable >media - apparently SAST (one of the cheap makes) is best ! > Regards, Daryl Pilkington //// The PC-Therapist, Business Computing Integration O OS/2 Warp, Redhat Linux, DB2 IBM Certified Systems Expert email: darylp at pc-therapist dot com dot au Mob: 0425-251-300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:03:47 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: modem problems solved, V92 ** Reply to note from Wayne Sun, 04 May 2003 14:41:59 +0830 > I plugged this modem in and everything worked without doing anything eg. > DOIT, ZOC, > PMFAX. I did try the voice side with PMFAX, alas, no show. At the > moment, I don't > need an answering machine, so this is not an issue. If circumstances > change, I will > play with it (Woomera) to get it going, or simply plug in my old 33K > Maestro. what chipset does it use ? PMFax lets you select chipsets for voice usage Voytek Eymont ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:03:35 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: modem problems solved, V92 ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Sat, 03 May 2003 21:53:59 +1000 > Sorry, I am also not a qualified telco engineer. I would guess however that they could install an > impedance matching transformer when multiple devices must be connected to one line. They could > certainly check the impedance at all sockets. my understanding is that additional sockets are wired in parallel, nothing more, nothing less. I guess they could connect whatever, but, I'd guess, they don't. anyhow, tonight I unplugged the Panasonic cordless, and, left the Swistell phone 'in' , and, only got 33.6, so, clearly the Swistell is the culprit. with P plugged in , and S unplugged, I got about 45 Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------