From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 00:04:03 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 619 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 17 May 2003 Number 619 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: eCS install questions : Mike O'Connor" 2 Re: eCS install questions - clarifies 1). : Mike O'Connor" 3 Re: eCS install questions : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 4 Re: eCS install questions : Mike O'Connor" 5 Re: eCS install questions : madodel at ptdprolog dot net 6 Re: eCS install questions : Ed Durrant 7 [OS2-ISP]: Ann: The OS2-ISP has been revived! : chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au (Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]) **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 04:02:35 +1100 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: eCS install questions Leigh Bunting wrote: >Up to now, I haven't been following much of anything about eCS. The >incessant troubles/discussions/arguments with LVM were a real turn-off. > >So in reading through the docs, the first item on the list was "minimum >requirements". One of these was a PC with a 133 FSB. > This isn't WINDOZE!! Only one of my systems has a 133FSB [AMD Duron 1.2Ghz], all the rest are slower. Installation on that machine took 11'19" for the eCS 1.1 Entry - plus 2 very fast reboots, much faster than W4/MCPx/eCS 1.0. the ALT-F1 Boot-BLOB goes by so fast that it took me 8 attempts to catch an alt-F1|F2 to get a cmd-line boot. > Mine is nominally >100 o/c'd to about 112. Is this going to be a problem? > >Secondly, I want to install eCS to a spare 1.8G HPFS partition and add >it to the existing Boot Manager menu. Is this possible? > > Hi Leigh, 1). I did a completely trial installation of eCS 1.00 to a 64MB RAM 5x86-133 [P75 equivalent] if that tells you anything. 2). LVM installs a different LVM-aware-BM , at installation time you delete the original BM and add the same required partitions to the new version. 3). There is a lot of bullshit talked about LVM, I've been using it ever since MCP1 - couple of years, love the sticky drive-letters, and haven't had one single problem with it on mixed W4FP12~16/MCPx/eCS systems that include RedHat Linux /W9x and W2KP.Those people who gripe loudest are always in the vocal minority, and their main problem is that they can't read plain English instructions - probably never read readme's/manuals, before jumping in at the deep end. Hope this quells your fears. Go for it! -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 05:00:01 +1100 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: eCS install questions - clarifies 1). *successfully* inserted in 1). Mike O'Connor wrote: > Leigh Bunting wrote: > >> Up to now, I haven't been following much of anything about eCS. The >> incessant troubles/discussions/arguments with LVM were a real turn-off. >> >> So in reading through the docs, the first item on the list was "minimum >> requirements". One of these was a PC with a 133 FSB. >> > This isn't WINDOZE!! > Only one of my systems has a 133FSB [AMD Duron 1.2Ghz], all the rest > are slower. > Installation on that machine took 11'19" for the eCS 1.1 Entry - plus > 2 very fast reboots, much faster than W4/MCPx/eCS 1.0. > the ALT-F1 Boot-BLOB goes by so fast that it took me 8 attempts to > catch an alt-F1|F2 to get a cmd-line boot. > >> Mine is nominally >> 100 o/c'd to about 112. Is this going to be a problem? >> >> Secondly, I want to install eCS to a spare 1.8G HPFS partition and add >> it to the existing Boot Manager menu. Is this possible? >> >> > Hi Leigh, > 1). I did a completely *successful* trial installation of eCS 1.00 to > a 64MB RAM 5x86-133 [P75 equivalent] if that tells you anything. > 2). LVM installs a different LVM-aware-BM , at installation time you > delete the original BM and add the same required partitions to the new > version. > 3). There is a lot of bullshit talked about LVM, I've been using it > ever since MCP1 - couple of years, love the sticky drive-letters, and > haven't had one single problem with it on mixed W4FP12~16/MCPx/eCS > systems that include RedHat Linux /W9x and W2KP.Those people who gripe > loudest are always in the vocal minority, and their main problem is > that they can't read plain English instructions - probably never read > readme's/manuals, before jumping in at the deep end. > > Hope this quells your fears. > Go for it! > -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 06:35:15 +1000 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: eCS install questions Hi All, On Sat, 17 May 2003 04:02:35 +1100, Mike O'Connor wrote: > Leigh Bunting wrote: > > >Up to now, I haven't been following much of anything about eCS. The > >incessant troubles/discussions/arguments with LVM were a real turn-off. > Hi Leigh, > 1). I did a completely trial installation of eCS 1.00 to a 64MB RAM > 5x86-133 [P75 equivalent] if that tells you anything. > 2). LVM installs a different LVM-aware-BM , at installation time you > delete the original BM and add the same required partitions to the new > version. Actually, you don't usually HAVE to delete the old BootManager, any CHANGE made to an OLD BM will force it to UPDATE. I have done this about 3 times to date on different machines. The ONLY reason I have had to delete the OLD BM is if I elect to position the NEW BM on a different physical drive, other than the default FIRST drive. > 3). There is a lot of bullshit talked about LVM, I've been using it ever > since MCP1 - couple of years, love the sticky drive-letters, and haven't > had one single problem with it on mixed W4FP12~16/MCPx/eCS systems that > include RedHat Linux /W9x and W2KP.Those people who gripe loudest are > always in the vocal minority, and their main problem is that they can't > read plain English instructions - probably never read readme's/manuals, > before jumping in at the deep end. > > Hope this quells your fears. > Go for it! > > -- > Regards, > Mike Regards, Robert Traynor (BobT). 17 May 2003 6:34 ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 08:08:22 +1100 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: eCS install questions Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: >Actually, you don't usually HAVE to delete the old BootManager, >any CHANGE made to an OLD BM will force it to UPDATE. > >I have done this about 3 times to date on different machines. >The ONLY reason I have had to delete the OLD BM is if I elect >to position the NEW BM on a different physical drive, other than >the default FIRST drive. > > Hi Bob, Thanks for the pointer above. -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:55:00 -0400 From: madodel at ptdprolog dot net Subject: Re: eCS install questions In <3EC4C76D.BAB4ED7A at internode.on dot net>, on 05/16/03 at 07:41 PM, Leigh Bunting said: >Up to now, I haven't been following much of anything about eCS. The >incessant troubles/discussions/arguments with LVM were a real turn-off. >So in reading through the docs, the first item on the list was "minimum >requirements". One of these was a PC with a 133 FSB. Mine is nominally >100 o/c'd to about 112. Is this going to be a problem? From the eCS 1.1 manual: "CPU: Minimum: Intel Pentium 133 MHz or equivalent (including Intel Celeron, PIII, P4 and AMD K6, Athlon and Duron processors) CPU Recommended: Any modern CPU will do, but the higher the speed the more responsive your system will be. Intel P4 HT processors are supported, but eCS will not be able to detect it as a dual cpu setup in all cases. Memory: Minimum: 48 MB (absolute minimum required for installation from CD) Recommended: A practical minimum amount of memory is 64 MB but your system will operate considerably better when more than 64 MB memory is installed. In short: install as much memory as you can in your system. 4 GB is the maximum supported amount. That's a minimum of a Penium 133, not 133 FSB. >Secondly, I want to install eCS to a spare 1.8G HPFS partition and add it >to the existing Boot Manager menu. Is this possible? Sure, but depending on how old your existing BM is, it may need to be removed and replaced with an LVM aware version. Mark -- From the eComStation Desktop of: Mark Dodel Warpstock 2002, In the home of OS/2 - Austin, Texas. Were you there? http://www.warpstock dot org For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE - http://www.os2voice dot org "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation, 1938 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:01:59 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: eCS install questions eCS 1.1 is really Warp 4 COP2 FP3 with a better install program and various add-ons. On this basis 133 FSB should not be a mandatory requirement and as long as your running LVM and boot manager already, you should be able to install into that spare partition. I don't know if there are low-level differences in HD handling with eCS 1.1 vs W4 though as I STILL haven't received my copy. The money was pulled from the credit card account sometime ago though, so it "ought" to be here soon. I've sent a note to Mark asking what's happening, hopefully AUSPOST haven't lost/"intercepted" it somewhere ! Cheers/2 Ed. Leigh Bunting wrote: > Up to now, I haven't been following much of anything about eCS. The > incessant troubles/discussions/arguments with LVM were a real turn-off. > > So in reading through the docs, the first item on the list was "minimum > requirements". One of these was a PC with a 133 FSB. Mine is nominally > 100 o/c'd to about 112. Is this going to be a problem? > > Secondly, I want to install eCS to a spare 1.8G HPFS partition and add > it to the existing Boot Manager menu. Is this possible? > > Thanks for any help. > > Leigh Bunting > Colonel Light Gardens > South Australia > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 17 May 03 18:45:33 EDT From: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au (Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]) Subject: [OS2-ISP]: Ann: The OS2-ISP has been revived! Dear Sir/Madam, Hello! Please excuse this email. The OS2-ISP list previously hosted at hethmon dot com has been down for well over a month or two, with no signs of it coming back up any time soon. 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