From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:04:01 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 623 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 21 May 2003 Number 623 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Microsoft Virtual Server : Ed Durrant 2 Re: Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) : Gavin Miller" 3 Re: Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) : Voytek Eymont **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 06:02:20 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Microsoft Virtual Server The Connectix Virtual Server has now been released in beta under the Microsoft banner (Microsoft bought connectix a couple of months back). This is the server version of Virtual PC for windows. It runs on Windows 2000 or 2003 server and supports other "guest" operating systems. From the documentation here's a quote regarding what is approved to be run within virtual server: Microsoft officially supports the following guest operating systems: Microsoft Windows 2000 Server and Windows 2000 Advanced Server Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Server and Advanced Server IBM OS/2 Server (LanManager 4 Fixpack 43, ACP2, ACP1) Red Hat Linux 6.2 and 7.3 Novell Netware 5.x and 6.x Many other operating systems (including Windows Server 2003) work but have not been extensively tested. Apart from M$ going back to the name that OS/2 Warp Server for e-Business had when Microsoft wrote it's predecesor, this does at least indicate that M$ acknowledges the existance once more of OS/2 and "officially supports" it - whatever that might mean in microsoft-speak. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:35:19 +1000 (EST) From: "Gavin Miller" Subject: Re: Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) Yes indeed it would be nice to have a 2+ Ghz CPU to play around with. It would make Staroffice start up a bit faster ;-) but unfortunatly I can't afford to upgrade right now. However my PII 233 ticks along quite nicely, and unless I want to play the lastest Wintendo game, I don't really have the need for anything faster at the moment. I am a musician and compose music a lot. I have had no real problems with music until I do digital recording or use heaps of VSTi's (virtual studio technology instruments). My friend has a 133 586 machine with 32Mb RAM and is complaining how slow Win95 is on it. I've used it and my old P75 24Mb RAM with Warp4 was faster (stating the obvious I know, but needs to be said) I'd like to put OS/2 on it for her. I've also got a PS/2 model 35 386 with 6Mb RAM running Warp3 Connect. It's slow to startup but performs reasonably well. I think the only real problem with slower cpu's and OS/2 - eCs is the add on's like candybars and candy folder and the like. They do slow down refreshes a bit, but is quite livable on a 233Mhz Cheers G ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:52:36 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: Old Pc's (was eCS install questions) ** Reply to note from John Wildgoose Tue, 20 May 2003 22:50:25 +1000 (EST) > True you have identified a salient point regarding fitness for purpose, > but I suggest that - > > a) There are things one might reasonably want to do with OS/2 that will > benefit from a faster cpu. You mentioned SETI and games, > and yes anything > using computations and anything using major graphics will benefit, but so > will music, and there is quite a bit of both graphics and computation in > running the StarOffice wordprocessing, spreadsheets and graphics. > > b) I am an Oracle DBA and I can appreciate the better performance that > would be available to an OS/2 Oracle DBA (if Oracle had supported it > beyond version 7) but the same logic would appy to DB2 and MySql. > > c) And for many this is the real point, the newer motherboards and > chipsets and graphics cards and HUGE memory, and faster disks, cdroms, > cd-rw and ..(well I don't have any of this next lot but I can imagine) and > mpg and tv IN/OUT and USB digital cameras (and videos) and, and etc. The > point being that you can have access to the whole package and YES even > StarOffice will load BEFORE you make the coffee let alone the other one! ofcourse, I most certainly wouldn't use a 486 for my own workstation, though, for a server, is more than ample, in a lot of cases. certainly, RC56Bovine (and, SETI, I'd expect be same) benefits proportionally from faster CPU, on a 486, RC56Bovine is next to useless; when I went from PP150 to PII300, the Bovine throuput exactly doubled. I don;t use StarOffice, hence, can not comment, for what I use, I was quite happy with a PII300 256, UNTIL I tried VPC/2. so, yes, now I need a faster CPU, and, only to run VPC, to run windoze mind you, if I wanted to use windoze, I'd need p4 3gb, anyway as for MySQL, hmmm, I'm not sure if I tried MySQL on a 486, though, I suspect MySQL would perform a reasonable workload on a 486 more than adequately, (but not DB2) Voytek Eymont ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------