From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:02:06 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 644 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 21 June 2003 Number 644 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Networking with XP : Peter Rehfisch" 2 The Bastard School of Argument : Ian Manners" 3 Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? : Bruce Rossi" 4 Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? : Mike O'Connor" 5 Re: Networking with XP : Ed Durrant 6 The "Kill it" button : Michael Barrow" 7 Re: The "Kill it" button : Ian Manners" 8 Re: The "Kill it" button : Michael Barrow" 9 Re: The "Kill it" button : David Forrester" 10 Re: The "Kill it" button : Mike O'Connor" 11 Re: Networking with XP : David Forrester" 12 Re: The "Kill it" button : Mike O'Connor" 13 Re: The "Kill it" button : Ed Durrant 14 Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? : Mike O'Connor" 15 Networking OS/2 & win2k : Glenn Montgomery 16 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : Ed Durrant 17 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : Ed Durrant 18 eCS 1v1 Update : Dennis Nolan 19 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : Mike O'Connor" 20 Addendum : Dennis Nolan 21 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : Mike O'Connor" 22 Re: eCS 1v1 Update : Mike O'Connor" 23 Re: Addendum : Mike O'Connor" 24 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : Ed Durrant 25 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : David Forrester" 26 Re: Networking with XP : Peter Rehfisch" 27 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : Mike O'Connor" 28 Re: Networking with XP : Ed Durrant 29 Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k : John Angelico" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:41:24 +1100 From: "Peter Rehfisch" Subject: Networking with XP I would like to file share between my notebook and desktop computers. It works when both boot to OS/2, or one to WIn98 and the other to XP, or OS/2 and Win98, but I can't get them to talk with one running OS/2 and the other XP. Any suggestions? Configurations are Tower (OS/2) (same for both when both boot to OS/2) Domain IBMPEERS Protocols- NetBIOS and TCP/IP Laptop (XP Pro) Domain IBMPEERS Protocols- Client Microsoft networks, File and Print sharing, QoS Packet Scheduler, NWLink NetBIOS, NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS, TCP/IP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:35:54 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: The Bastard School of Argument http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/31343.html OS/2 contend ? Read it :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy. -- Joseph Campbell ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:36:57 -1000 From: "Bruce Rossi" Subject: Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? Hello Mike, My assumption is that a folder class is also registered in OS2SYS.INI, so when the folder is copied to a new system, that link is broken & it assumes the default folder class there. I selectively copied files, directories & directory branches with ZTBold which is supposed to copy the EAs as well, in the hope that most would not need re-installing. This is proving to be not so true. >From: "Mike O'Connor" >Subject: Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? > >Bruce Rossi wrote: >>With a new HD and the original installs copied across, of course their class is lost. >>I can re-register the class but how to change the object's class to this ? >> >Hi Bruce, >I don't quite follow what you're saying. When you say "original >installs copied across", why would they ever lose their class? Are you >cloning a system to a new drive? Did you try zipping the entire drive >and unzipping it on the new HD? >Regards, >Mike > Cheers, ,-._|\ Bruce Rossi OS/2 Warp 4 for stability, versatility and depth. A True Operating System. / Oz \ brossi at melbpc dot org dot au The Best -> Rexx, Java, File System, User Interface, MSDOS, Windows 3.1 \_,--.x/ Melbourne, Australia Multitasking, Shadows (Pointers to Objects), Associations for Applications. v I can work on Solving Real-World Problems, not Operating System Crashes There are 49 Processes with 167 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 15h 19m 23s 876ms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:08:45 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? Bruce Rossi wrote: >Hello Mike, > >My assumption is that a folder class is also registered in OS2SYS.INI, so when the folder is >copied to a new system, that link is broken & it assumes the default folder class there. > >I selectively copied files, directories & directory branches with ZTBold which is supposed to >copy the EAs as well, in the hope that most would not need re-installing. This is proving to be not >so true. > >>From: "Mike O'Connor" >>Subject: Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? >> >>Bruce Rossi wrote: >> >> >>>With a new HD and the original installs copied across, of course their class is lost. >>>I can re-register the class but how to change the object's class to this ? >>> >>> >>> >>Hi Bruce, >>I don't quite follow what you're saying. When you say "original >>installs copied across", why would they ever lose their class? Are you >>cloning a system to a new drive? Did you try zipping the entire drive >>and unzipping it on the new HD? >>Regards, >>Mike >> >> Hi Bruce, I received your message - looking at the headers I see a re-sent time etc. added by Ian Manners - the delivery date-time here agree with when you sent it but IBM WB V2 - Mail displays it as 22:36 Saturday - not 02:36 as sent. Afraid you're in a queue at this end - this just to let you know it's in there. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:24:20 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Networking with XP You need to install Netbeui support under Windows XP, by default it is no longer available but it can be added from the Windows XP install CD. See Microsoft website or XPs own inbuilt help system for details. Cheers/2 Ed. Peter Rehfisch wrote: > I would like to file share between my notebook and desktop computers. It works when both boot to OS/2, or one to WIn98 and the other to XP, or OS/2 and Win98, but I can't get them to talk with one running OS/2 and the other XP. Any suggestions? > > Configurations are > > Tower (OS/2) (same for both when both boot to OS/2) > Domain IBMPEERS > Protocols- NetBIOS and TCP/IP > > Laptop (XP Pro) > Domain IBMPEERS > Protocols- Client Microsoft networks, File and Print sharing, QoS Packet Scheduler, NWLink NetBIOS, NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS, TCP/IP > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:42:45 GMT From: "Michael Barrow" Subject: The "Kill it" button Greetings, Does anyone know how to create the "switch to another application" button that is on the ecomcenter bar as in ecs 1.0. The ability to hold the control key and bring up the list of all threads running is what I really want so I can kill threads that have lost their way. How can I do it in ecs1.1? Regards, Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:43:22 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: The "Kill it" button Hi Michael > The ability to hold the control key and bring up the list of all threads > running is what I really want so I can kill threads that have lost their way. > How can I do it in ecs1.1? Add this to config.sys SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=ON Then click Ctrl + the tasklist button on Warp or eCS Center Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ WINERR 026 - REMOVING YOUR LEAST-FAVORITE DATA TO MAKE ROOM FOR COOL ICONS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:44:36 GMT From: "Michael Barrow" Subject: Re: The "Kill it" button Greetings, What I mean't to say as well was that I want to create it on the new ecenter. Regards, Michael ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:07:17 +1000 (AEST) From: "David Forrester" Subject: Re: The "Kill it" button On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:42:45 GMT, Michael Barrow wrote: >Greetings, >Does anyone know how to create the "switch to another application" button that >is on the ecomcenter bar as in ecs 1.0. >The ability to hold the control key and bring up the list of all threads >running is what I really want so I can kill threads that have lost their way. >How can I do it in ecs1.1? The eCenter in eCS 1.1 is different than in eCS 1.0. eCenter comes from eWorkplace (effectively XWorkplace lite), rather than being a renamed WarpCenter. To get this function, you need to install an extra widget. Get wxTask from http://www.os2usr dot org/xcenter/ . It's may also be one of the widgets in the eCS widgets packages on hobbes (ecs_wgts_pkg_1a.zip and ecs_wgts_pkg_2a.zip). -- David Forrester davidfor at internode.on dot net http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:15:38 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: The "Kill it" button Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Michael > >>The ability to hold the control key and bring up the list of all threads >>running is what I really want so I can kill threads that have lost their way. >>How can I do it in ecs1.1? >> >> > >Add this to config.sys > >SET KILLFEATUREENABLED=ON > >Then click Ctrl + the tasklist button on Warp or eCS Center > > Hi Michael, Ian, eComCenter is still in the Programs|Utilities, so you can have it activated simultaneously with eCenter, either by adding ",WARPCENTER" to autostart line in config.sys or putting a shadow in the startup folder, in addition to what Ian has said about the config.sys setting above. I never saw your original post for some reason. Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:19:09 +1000 (AEST) From: "David Forrester" Subject: Re: Networking with XP On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:41:24 +1100, Peter Rehfisch wrote: >I would like to file share between my notebook and desktop computers. It works when both boot to OS/2, or one to WIn98 and the other to XP, or OS/2 and Win98, but I can't get them to talk with one running OS/2 and the other XP. Any suggestions? > >Configurations are > >Tower (OS/2) (same for both when both boot to OS/2) >Domain IBMPEERS >Protocols- NetBIOS and TCP/IP > >Laptop (XP Pro) >Domain IBMPEERS >Protocols- Client Microsoft networks, File and Print sharing, QoS Packet Scheduler, NWLink NetBIOS, NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS, TCP/IP I have something like this here, and it works. The things that come to mind are: - If you do a "net view \\xxxxx" from each machine (with the appropriate names for xxxxx), what is the response? - Can you ping the other machines? This is just to prove the networking is working between them. - Have you setup a userid on each machine for the userid used on the other machine? - Do they both have the same DOMAIN name or WorkGroup name? - As Ed said, installing Netbeui on the XP maching is a good way to go. This is more secure than having NETBIOS over TCP/IP. But, if the important thing is to have the same protocol on all machines. Using NETBIOS over TCP/IP works OK here. The third or the second one are my bet as to the problem. If the response from the net view command is some sort of "no access", then this is the case. If it's "network path is not found", then it's probably DOMAIN/WORKGROUP name. -- David Forrester davidfor at internode.on dot net http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 14:29:54 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: The "Kill it" button Michael Barrow wrote: >Greetings, >What I mean't to say as well was that I want to create it on the new ecenter. >Regards, > >Michael > > Hi Michael, Firstly your message showed up here in IBM WB-Mail as timestamped 22:44 Saturday - I notice in the headers your original is timed with a -0000 [GMT/UTC] base-timezone yet you are in Australia same as me. There was an "earlier" response from David Forrester, timed 14:07 local here, which tells you how to achieve just that. Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:07:43 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: The "Kill it" button You need to add the wstaskb widget to the ecs bar (I've sent you this direct off-list). Cheers/2 Ed. Michael Barrow wrote: > Greetings, > Does anyone know how to create the "switch to another application" button that > is on the ecomcenter bar as in ecs 1.0. > The ability to hold the control key and bring up the list of all threads > running is what I really want so I can kill threads that have lost their way. > How can I do it in ecs1.1? > Regards, > > Michael > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:36:02 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: Changing .CLASSINFO ? Hi Bruce, You've "progressed in the queue" as they have a habit of saying on e.g. Telstra's ITR systems. I've had to dig very deeply through about 250K (number) of files to find some old [source .ASM] assembler files to re-assemble in order to answer another query very definitively, with a dot com file I wrote about 5 years ago, but haven't indexed anywhere. I've cleared the mail-backlog [191 messages sent today], so as soon as I finish re-programming, I'll give you the decent response you deserve. Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:58:28 +1000 From: Glenn Montgomery Subject: Networking OS/2 & win2k Hello all, I have two machines at the moment, one Warp4FR12 (on a dial up connection to the internet) and one win2k. The Warp machine is the mail server and I want it to be the gateway to the internet. Is there any way of setting it up so that the win2k machine can initiate a dial out via the warp machine so the win2k can surf, and then hang up as well, or does this have to be done at the warp machine (which would be a pain for my wife!!). Should I use a proxy, if so suggestions for which one etc Thanks guys Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:32:57 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k Simple ! Use Injoy dialer and enable dial-on-demand. Set the Win2k boxes default route address as the address of your Warp box. Cheers/2 Ed. Glenn Montgomery wrote: > Hello all, > > I have two machines at the moment, one Warp4FR12 (on a dial up > connection to the internet) and one win2k. The Warp machine is the mail > server and I want it to be the gateway to the internet. > > Is there any way of setting it up so that the win2k machine can initiate > a dial out via the warp machine so the win2k can surf, and then hang up > as well, or does this have to be done at the warp machine (which would > be a pain for my wife!!). > > Should I use a proxy, if so suggestions for which one etc > > Thanks guys > Glenn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:36:03 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k No need for a proxy or firewall as the injoy software NATs the internal LAN addresses, so their safe (and so that you can use one ISP IP address to connect to the internet on multiple PCs concurently). By the way, I presume the wife's w2k box and your Warp box are connected to a LAN and are configured in the same TCPIP subnet with the same subnet mask configured. Cheers/2 Ed. Glenn Montgomery wrote: > Hello all, > > I have two machines at the moment, one Warp4FR12 (on a dial up > connection to the internet) and one win2k. The Warp machine is the mail > server and I want it to be the gateway to the internet. > > Is there any way of setting it up so that the win2k machine can initiate > a dial out via the warp machine so the win2k can surf, and then hang up > as well, or does this have to be done at the warp machine (which would > be a pain for my wife!!). > > Should I use a proxy, if so suggestions for which one etc > > Thanks guys > Glenn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:47:44 +1000 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: eCS 1v1 Update Hi All I solved my installation problem, I think it was caused by bad RAM, and with the install using a RAM disk, well, it just didn't stand a chance. Solution - New System, the Install now realy flies. Now for the problems - Networking: Three systems M1 the A2200XP+ Adapter config Realtek 8139 1 IBM OS/2 NETBIOS 0 IBM OS/2 NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP 0 IBM OS/2 TCP/IP M2 A450KIII Adapter config Realtek 8139 0 IBM OS/2 NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP 0 IBM OS/2 TCP/IP M3 Win98 Same adapter and all sorts of windows protocols My problem is that M1 and M2 can see M3 They can read and write to M3, no probs. However M3 cannot see either M1 or M2 and M1 cannot see M2, and M2 cannot see M1 M1 can ping M2 and M3 M3 can ping M1 and M2 M2 can not ping either of the other machines, nor can it ping itself. But if I use the DOS Ping.exe found in \TCPIP\BIN, it can Ping M1, Cannot see any reason for this in any of the NET, NETSTAT or IFCONFIG queries The Domain names are the same By the way, someone mentioned setting up the same userid's in the various nodes. If you do thes the network messaging goes on strike. Any assistance would be appreciated Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:46:00 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k Glenn Montgomery wrote: > Hello all, > > I have two machines at the moment, one Warp4FR12 (on a dial up > connection to the internet) and one win2k. The Warp machine is the mail > server and I want it to be the gateway to the internet. > > Is there any way of setting it up so that the win2k machine can initiate > a dial out via the warp machine so the win2k can surf, and then hang up > as well, or does this have to be done at the warp machine (which would > be a pain for my wife!!). > > Should I use a proxy, if so suggestions for which one etc > > Thanks guys > Glenn Hi Glenn, I do exactly that using Dial on Demand, doesn't matter whether the "slave" is OS/2-eCs or WIN or LINUX, using either ISDNPM{eCSCoNet} or INJOY Dialler with Dial-up on ISDN. Have to make sure I don't log-in for mail on both machines simultaneously otherwise that screw up the relationship with the ISP :-) I don't actually hang-up from the slave I just let it time-out and have the slave set-up as direct connection to the internet using NAT on the OS/2-eCs "Server". HTH Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:57:58 +1000 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Addendum Sorry but I forgot about the dialup not working M1 is the dialup machine, though I am reduced to useing the Win98 at the moment. I'm useing InJoy Dialer, and the connection is made and PPP fires up but then nothing. I can ping myself, ie my local address as well as the ISP assigned address, but I cannot ping either the main DNS or the backup DNS. The connection just times out. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:00:02 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k Ed Durrant wrote: >Simple ! > >Use Injoy dialer and enable dial-on-demand. Set the Win2k boxes default route address >as the address of your Warp box. > >Cheers/2 > >Ed. > > Hi Ed, Glenn, You have to be *very* careful if you use DoD with a regular [PSTN] phone dial-up. You'll pay a connection charge for EVERY CALL. With ISDN I can call 300 times a day, and only get charged $AU 0.01 if I'm online for ~2 minutes. Every time I check my mail - frequently - it times out by choice after 15 seconds - so no charge at all - no connection charges - only $0.30 per hour charged on a per-second basis. Last month I had 7,000 ISDN-data line calls for a total of $AU10.34 - mainly because I had some large downloads. HTH Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 22 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:27:47 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: eCS 1v1 Update Dennis Nolan wrote: >Hi All > >I solved my installation problem, I think it was caused by bad RAM, and >with the install using a RAM disk, well, it just didn't stand a chance. > >Solution - New System, the Install now realy flies. > >Now for the problems - Networking: > >Three systems >M1 the A2200XP+ > Adapter config Realtek 8139 > 1 IBM OS/2 NETBIOS > 0 IBM OS/2 NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP > 0 IBM OS/2 TCP/IP > >M2 A450KIII > Adapter config Realtek 8139 > 0 IBM OS/2 NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP > 0 IBM OS/2 TCP/IP > >M3 Win98 > Same adapter and all sorts of windows protocols > >My problem is that M1 and M2 can see M3 >They can read and write to M3, no probs. > >However M3 cannot see either M1 or M2 and >M1 cannot see M2, and M2 cannot see M1 > >M1 can ping M2 and M3 >M3 can ping M1 and M2 >M2 can not ping either of the other machines, nor can it ping itself. > >But if I use the DOS Ping.exe found in \TCPIP\BIN, it can Ping M1, > >Cannot see any reason for this in any of the NET, NETSTAT or IFCONFIG >queries > >The Domain names are the same > >By the way, someone mentioned setting up the same userid's in the >various nodes. If you do thes the network messaging goes on strike. > >Any assistance would be appreciated > > Hi Dennis, Last point first. Make sure that all the user IDs exist on the various machines - they don't have to be the one that's logged on currently, which gets over the messaging problem. With M3 remove any protocols that aren't being used - make sure that you have NetBIOS on there too. Make sure LMAnnounce=Yes in settings Make sure on M2 that srvhidden=NO in ?:\ibmlan\ibmlan.ini All the MPTS allocations to logical adapters seem to be in agreement with what I have here. If M2 can't ping itself - I can't see how anything else can ping it. Are you sure that the IP dotted-decimal address you have allocated isn't duped somewhere? That's all I can think of at the moment. HTH Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 23 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:45:28 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: Addendum Dennis Nolan wrote: >Sorry but I forgot about the dialup not working > >M1 is the dialup machine, though I am reduced to useing the Win98 at the >moment. > >I'm useing InJoy Dialer, and the connection is made and PPP fires up but >then nothing. > >I can ping myself, ie my local address as well as the ISP assigned >address, but I cannot ping either the main DNS or the backup DNS. > >The connection just times out. > > Hi Dennis, I can't get a response from my ISP's DNS servers - which is normal, they're programmed not to respond to ping, but I can do a NSLOOKUP on them with no problem! Try nslookup on your DNS. Do you select DDNS = 0.0.0.0 for both your nameservers? Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 24 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:47:31 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k The other point is that if your in a large city, with some companies, local calls are untimed, so you're better staying connected than connecting and re-connecting all the time - it's a balance and depends upon your location. If one starts to use the Internet more than say 3-4 hours per day, Cable or ADSL is actually cheaper than dial-up as well as being much faster. These technologies provide a permanent connection without locking up your phone. Cheers/2 Ed. Mike O'Connor wrote: > Ed Durrant wrote: > > >Simple ! > > > >Use Injoy dialer and enable dial-on-demand. Set the Win2k boxes default route address > >as the address of your Warp box. > > > >Cheers/2 > > > >Ed. > > > > > Hi Ed, Glenn, > You have to be *very* careful if you use DoD with a regular [PSTN] phone > dial-up. You'll pay a connection charge for EVERY CALL. With ISDN I can > call 300 times a day, and only get charged $AU 0.01 if I'm online for ~2 > minutes. Every time I check my mail - frequently - it times out by > choice after 15 seconds - so no charge at all - no connection charges - > only $0.30 per hour charged on a per-second basis. Last month I had > 7,000 ISDN-data line calls for a total of $AU10.34 - mainly because I > had some large downloads. > HTH > Regards, > Mike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 25 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:51:34 +1000 From: "David Forrester" Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:00:02 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote: >Ed Durrant wrote: > >>Simple ! >> >>Use Injoy dialer and enable dial-on-demand. Set the Win2k boxes default route address >>as the address of your Warp box. >> >>Cheers/2 >> >>Ed. >> >> >Hi Ed, Glenn, >You have to be *very* careful if you use DoD with a regular [PSTN] phone >dial-up. You'll pay a connection charge for EVERY CALL. With ISDN I can >call 300 times a day, and only get charged $AU 0.01 if I'm online for ~2 >minutes. Every time I check my mail - frequently - it times out by >choice after 15 seconds - so no charge at all - no connection charges - >only $0.30 per hour charged on a per-second basis. Last month I had >7,000 ISDN-data line calls for a total of $AU10.34 - mainly because I >had some large downloads. I remember when I first installed InJoy, I was horrified at how often DoD caused a phone call. I soon reverted to manual dialing. But, to make it easy, and, because the monitor on the gateway machine died, I wrote a little Rexx script that allowed me to control the InJoy from a browser. It does require a web server running on the gateway, but, if Glenn is already running a mail server, it won't be hard to install. It's on my site below under "Small Things". -- David Forrester davidfor at internode.on dot net http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 26 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:49:47 +1100 From: "Peter Rehfisch" Subject: Re: Networking with XP Thanks, Ed, NETBEUI now installed onto the XP computer but still no luck. David Forrester wrote > >- If you do a "net view \\xxxxx" from each machine (with the >appropriate names for xxxxx), what is the response? Each sees only itself. Each reports "Network path not found" for the other. >- Can you ping the other machines? This is just to prove the >networking is working between them. Yes. Tower IP=192.168.1.1 Laptop IP=192.168.1.2 >- Have you setup a userid on each machine for the userid used on the >other machine? Isn't this only when setting up access controls? >- Do they both have the same DOMAIN name or WorkGroup name? Yes. Laptop(XP) workgroup and Tower(OS/2) domain both IBMPEERS. >If it's "network path is not found", then it's >probably DOMAIN/WORKGROUP name. So what else do I need? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 27 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:04:54 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k David Forrester wrote: >On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:00:02 +1000, Mike O'Connor wrote: > >>Ed Durrant wrote: >> >>>Simple ! >>> >>>Use Injoy dialer and enable dial-on-demand. Set the Win2k boxes default route address >>>as the address of your Warp box. >>> >>>Cheers/2 >>> >>>Ed. >>> >>Hi Ed, Glenn, >>You have to be *very* careful if you use DoD with a regular [PSTN] phone >>dial-up. You'll pay a connection charge for EVERY CALL. With ISDN I can >>call 300 times a day, and only get charged $AU 0.01 if I'm online for ~2 >>minutes. Every time I check my mail - frequently - it times out by >>choice after 15 seconds - so no charge at all - no connection charges - >>only $0.30 per hour charged on a per-second basis. Last month I had >>7,000 ISDN-data line calls for a total of $AU10.34 - mainly because I >>had some large downloads. >> >> > >I remember when I first installed InJoy, I was horrified at how often >DoD caused a phone call. I soon reverted to manual dialing. But, to >make it easy, and, because the monitor on the gateway machine died, I >wrote a little Rexx script that allowed me to control the InJoy from a >browser. It does require a web server running on the gateway, but, if >Glenn is already running a mail server, it won't be hard to install. >It's on my site below under "Small Things". > >-- >David Forrester >davidfor at internode.on dot net >http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ > > Hi David, How're you going these days? The first month or so after finally getting ISDN, because I couldn't get any specific information regarding initialising the NTU - Network termination unit - I was hooked up using the analogue RJ11 port on it along with an analogue 56K V.90 external modem. When I saw the phone bill after that first month, I nearly fell over! Not any more. The script sounds like a good idea for those using POTS. Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 28 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:04:59 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Networking with XP Try net view \\tower from the XP box and net view \\laptop from the warp box - what results ? Cheers/2 Ed. Peter Rehfisch wrote: > Thanks, Ed, NETBEUI now installed onto the XP computer but still no luck. > > David Forrester wrote > > > >- If you do a "net view \\xxxxx" from each machine (with the > >appropriate names for xxxxx), what is the response? > Each sees only itself. Each reports "Network path not found" for the other. > > >- Can you ping the other machines? This is just to prove the > >networking is working between them. > Yes. Tower IP=192.168.1.1 Laptop IP=192.168.1.2 > > >- Have you setup a userid on each machine for the userid used on the > >other machine? > Isn't this only when setting up access controls? > > >- Do they both have the same DOMAIN name or WorkGroup name? > Yes. Laptop(XP) workgroup and Tower(OS/2) domain both IBMPEERS. > > >If it's "network path is not found", then it's > >probably DOMAIN/WORKGROUP name. > So what else do I need? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 29 ==========================** Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:39:47 +1000 (EST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Networking OS/2 & win2k On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:58:28 +1000, Glenn Montgomery wrote: >Hello all, Hi Glenn. > >I have two machines at the moment, one Warp4FR12 (on a dial up >connection to the internet) and one win2k. The Warp machine is the mail >server and I want it to be the gateway to the internet. > >Is there any way of setting it up so that the win2k machine can initiate >a dial out via the warp machine so the win2k can surf, and then hang up >as well, or does this have to be done at the warp machine (which would >be a pain for my wife!!). Sounds like a swift path to destruction... > >Should I use a proxy, if so suggestions for which one etc Others have started to answer about the dialling but if you want to look at a web proxy and efficient cache replacement for NS and Mozilla, check out Radim Kolar's SmartCache done entirely in Java: http://home.tiscali.cz:8080/~cz210552/scache.html I use it here all the time, although we have an Optus cable connection so dialling isn't an issue, and saving time/throughput on a 33K modem is no longer a problem. It is occasionally a pain with a) logins like newspapers or membership sites or b) Google and Slashdot (can't explain these). I use the gateway machine at the front of the house (the bridge of our ship) while the second machine is near the stock in the "warehouse" end of the place (the engine room), and a laptop can be connected as well (for that pesky GST it runs Win95 for about 20 minutes per month). My machine has two network cards - one RTL8139 for the cable connection from the "cable modem/isolator" and the other RTL8029 for the internal LAN running on internal IP addresses (192.168.0.0-3). I control the running of the cache from here, plus I also run Peter Moylan's Weasel mail server here to distribute all mail received from our upstream server. I still have to have an ISP mail server setup because the Optus is DHCP so not a fixed IP address. HTH Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au _______________________________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Winerr 027 - Sinatra Error. Windows Does Not Permit Doing It Your Way ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------