From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:03:59 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 679 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Thursday 07 August 2003 Number 679 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU : Ian Manners" 2 Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : Ed Durrant 3 Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 : Paul Smedley" 4 Re: SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU : Voytek Eymont 5 Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 and Java? : John Angelico" 6 Re: MS & EU was SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU : John Angelico" 7 Re: Doctors vs Lawyers was SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU : John Angelico" 8 SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Object Rexx : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au 9 Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 and Java? : Paul Smedley" 10 Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Object Rexx : Voytek Eymont **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:40:02 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU This is so stupid, and to be honest, its really pissing me off. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/32187.html Yes, I use Linux, AIX, and OS/2, and I'm proud of it, and I will definitly not be paying anyone any money for the right to use something I've already paid for, gee's I cant even get IBM to talk to me about upgrading my AIX. Note that SCO's licensing fees are in US$ So I wonder when SCO will introduce the AIX licensing fees ? Hm, and when will they be introducing OS/2 Licensing fees, as I use LVM, JFS, and WSeB SMP, as well as eCS SMP. I think it is really up to the US Legal System to follow the lead of the Germans, ie, put up, or shut up. SCO calls in local lawyers http://australianit.news dot com dot au/articles/0,7204,6873464%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html This rubbish can continue for the next 2 years unless.... Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ This message transmitted from a 100% Microsoft free system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:10:40 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 Well that's good news - the extra question is whether this solution also works with Firebird ? Cheers/2 Ed Paul Smedley wrote: > On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:42:01 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > > There was also talk about how to get the Java plugin to work with > >Java 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 - I don't think it's possible as yet. > > Innotek Java is working fine with Mozilla 1.5a here - didn't work with the earlier GCC > builds. > > Goldencode Java doesn't yet have a plugin, but apparently the Innotek OJI plugin can be > pointed at the install directory for Goldencode Java and it works :) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 07:15:29 +0950 (CST) From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 Can't see why not - I believe the problems were more related to GCC than mozilla. I'd imagine that Mike & co would have put the fixes into the Firebird code too. Hey, I'm on an RDO today & tomorrow - I might try it and report back :) On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:10:40 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Well that's good news - the extra question is whether this solution also works with >Firebird ? > >Cheers/2 > >Ed > >Paul Smedley wrote: > >> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:42:01 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >> >> > There was also talk about how to get the Java plugin to work with >> >Java 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 - I don't think it's possible as yet. >> >> Innotek Java is working fine with Mozilla 1.5a here - didn't work with the earlier GCC >> builds. >> >> Goldencode Java doesn't yet have a plugin, but apparently the Innotek OJI plugin can be >> pointed at the install directory for Goldencode Java and it works :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- >> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:36:18 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU ** Reply to note from "Ian Manners" Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:40:02 +1000 (EST) > SCO calls in local lawyers in all this dispute, just ONE thing is CERTAIN: a lot of rich lawyers will get richer. just as an aside: last week, I had a surgery, I just recieved bill from the anasthetic doctor, about $385 for 75 minutes worth of care; she litterally had my life in her hands; unrelated, I also received a bill from my lawyer, for persuing a small debt: reading letters, writing letters, phone calls, for similar lenght of lawyers time, about $450 why would anyone want to be a doctor... Voytek Eymont ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:07:54 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 and Java? On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 07:15:29 +0950 (CST), Paul Smedley wrote: Hi all. First look at 0.6.1 is good! On my P166 machine (Cyrix chip) with 64Mb RAM, new Firebird runs faster (loading, rendering), starts faster (30secs vs 45 secs) and restores from Swapper faster than 0.6, but may have a memory leak problem. My unused swap is declining steadily. I have had a look at the prefs.js and can't find any reference to Java options, despite the Tools/Options setting to enable Java. So I am decidely unsure about how to do things like point it to v1.3.1 or 1.4 or Innotek's version etc. I have a niggling suspicion that Java support was one of the things dropped out of early builds, but I can't find anything in the old Mozilla/Phoenix pages about it. In fact, the word Java (apart from Javascript) is conspicuously absent... This is consistent with my experience of Java websites - any attempted download of Java modules causes Firebird to fold its wings, disappear from the screen and plummet like a stone into the etheric void. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldad at kepl dot com dot au __________________ >Can't see why not - I believe the problems were more related to GCC than mozilla. I'd >imagine that Mike & co would have put the fixes into the Firebird code too. > >Hey, I'm on an RDO today & tomorrow - I might try it and report back :) > >On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:10:40 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > >>Well that's good news - the extra question is whether this solution also works with >>Firebird ? >> >>Cheers/2 >> >>Ed >> >>Paul Smedley wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:42:01 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >>> >>> > There was also talk about how to get the Java plugin to work with >>> >Java 1.4 and Mozilla 1.5 - I don't think it's possible as yet. >>> >>> Innotek Java is working fine with Mozilla 1.5a here - didn't work with the earlier GCC >>> builds. >>> >>> Goldencode Java doesn't yet have a plugin, but apparently the Innotek OJI plugin can be >>> pointed at the install directory for Goldencode Java and it works :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul. >>> >>> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >---------- >>> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >----------- >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:43:20 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: MS & EU was SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 03:40:02 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: Hi Ian. >This is so stupid, and to be honest, its really pissing me off. > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/32187.html > >Yes, I use Linux, AIX, and OS/2, and I'm proud of it, and I will >definitly not be paying anyone any money for the right to >use something I've already paid for, gee's I cant even get >IBM to talk to me about upgrading my AIX. > >Note that SCO's licensing fees are in US$ > >So I wonder when SCO will introduce the AIX licensing fees ? I notice that the whole thing has slowed down a lot. Even SCO is huffing and puffing a lot less. I think they might have been applying some "The Mouse That Roared" strategy, and IBM seems to have called their bluff by refusing to buy them out - which is probably what they are after. >Hm, and when will they be introducing OS/2 Licensing fees, >as I use LVM, JFS, and WSeB SMP, as well as eCS SMP. > >I think it is really up to the US Legal System to follow the lead >of the Germans, ie, put up, or shut up. > >SCO calls in local lawyers >http://australianit.news dot com dot au/articles/0,7204,6873464%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html > >This rubbish can continue for the next 2 years unless.... However, http://australianit.news dot com dot au/articles/0,7204,6877617%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E, 00.html MS has some new concerns now, and may not be able to continue pushing their SCO stalking horse in the anti-Linux campaign. They may have to help George Dubbya to fight a cross-Atlantic trade war to get them off the hook in the EU. A small quote (with translation from MS-speak): "Microsoft spokeswoman Tiffany Steckler in Paris called the EU action "unfortunate" and refused to comment on whether the company would make concessions. "We will of course respond to the statement of objections ... and continue to focus our efforts on finding a positive resolution," Ms Steckler said. " [We hate their hard-line attack because they figured out what we are really doing. We will fight this thing tooth and nail! We simply cannot afford to have the EU brand us as a bunch of criminals. The whole branding strategy would be at risk and Marketing would have a pink fit .] There is little doubt they could rival the Marketing Dept of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation, if they get clear of this one. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Marketers! Looks like we'll have to blast our way in! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:51:09 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Doctors vs Lawyers was SCO ready to clean out Linux users for $1399 per CPU On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:36:18, Voytek Eymont wrote: > >why would anyone want to be a doctor... There are no doctor jokes, but there are lawyer jokes! Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:08:28 +1100 From: Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Object Rexx It seems that I have been seeing INF files and references to Object rexx for quite some time. Now that I need to investigate it I can't seem to locate it. If I recall corectly it was an optional install, and so was common or garden variety REXX Now I can only find PMREXX in the selective install How do I get to use it Also How can I find out the REXX version number. I am told that certain versions have some of the goddies from Object rexx, like returning stem variables from functions. I tried a test script but it didnt work Regards Dennis Mr. Dennis J. Nolan Repair & Maintenance Contact Details: Help Desk 03 5950 7763 Workshop 03 5950 7484 Fax 03 5950 7934 Email: dennis.nolan at defence.gov.au LEGAL NOTICE IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the Crimes Act 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:53:35 +0950 (CST) From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 and Java? Hi John, On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 11:07:54 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote: >I have had a look at the prefs.js and can't find any reference to Java >options, despite the Tools/Options setting to enable Java. So I am decidely >unsure about how to do things like point it to v1.3.1 or 1.4 or Innotek's >version etc. I had a play today (gotta love RDOs!!) and couldn't get Java going either. Typing about:plugins in the URLbar showed that the Innotek Java plugin was being seen, but trying to start a Java applet via the browser brought up a 'plugin required' message on the one site I tried (Bank SA Internet Banking). Same site loads fine with Mozilla & the Innotek Java plugin. Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 18:05:44 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Object Rexx ** Reply to note from Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:08:28 +1100 > I tried a test script but it didnt work type 'switchrx' 0[roman][F:\junkspy]switchrx This program will now replace the current Classic REXX interpreter of OS/2 with the Object REXX interpreter. Enter 'Y' to continue, any other input will cancel this procedure. VERSION 0[roman][F:\junkspy]rexxtry REXXTRY.CMD lets you interactively try REXX statements. Each string is executed when you hit Enter. Enter 'call tell' for a description of the features. Go on - try a few... Enter 'exit' to end. say version REXXSAA 4.00 3 Feb 1999 ................................................ REXXTRY.CMD on OS/2 say SysVersion() OS/2 2.45 hth, Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt dot net dot au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------