From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:04:01 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 743 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Monday 08 December 2003 Number 743 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device : Ed Durrant 2 Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device : Stan Pallis" 3 Re: OS/2 CP owners : Stan Pallis" 4 Re: Thunderbird : Dennis Nolan 5 Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device : Ed Durrant 6 eComstation downloads : Dennis Nolan 7 Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device : Stan Pallis" 8 Re: OS/2 CP owners : Stan Pallis" 9 Bigpond Cable : Paul Smedley" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 07:48:47 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device If you wish to install from scratch, you'll need to amend the install procedure to include the latest Software Choice USB drivers, otherwise the USB attached drive will no be visible after the first reboot. How to add drivers to the install procedure is well documented. If you're installing eCS, you may even be able to do it through their setup screen. Cheers/2 Ed. Stan Pallis wrote: > > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au] > > Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2003 7:00 PM > > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > > Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device > > > > > > I would suspect, ONLY if the motherboard supports booting from an > > USB device - most > > don't. > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > Ed. > > > > Ed, > > My gigabyte board supports usb boot devices fdd, cdrom, and hdd, I'll try > installing it tonight. > > Cheers > > Stan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:35:26 +1100 From: "Stan Pallis" Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device Hi Ed, You can't do it via the setup screen with ecs, it was the first thing I tried unless I missed something, I'll have more time to do it next Sunday. Stan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au] > Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 7:49 AM > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device > > > If you wish to install from scratch, you'll need to amend the > install procedure to > include the latest Software Choice USB drivers, otherwise the USB > attached drive will > no be visible after the first reboot. How to add drivers to the > install procedure is > well documented. If you're installing eCS, you may even be able > to do it through their > setup screen. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > Stan Pallis wrote: > > > > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au] > > > Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2003 7:00 PM > > > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > > > Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device > > > > > > > > > I would suspect, ONLY if the motherboard supports booting from an > > > USB device - most > > > don't. > > > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > > > Ed. > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > My gigabyte board supports usb boot devices fdd, cdrom, and > hdd, I'll try > > installing it tonight. > > > > Cheers > > > > Stan > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:38:51 +1100 From: "Stan Pallis" Subject: Re: OS/2 CP owners > -----Original Message----- > From: Voytek Eymont [mailto:voytek at sbt dot net dot au] > Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2003 10:06 PM > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > Subject: Re: OS/2 CP owners > > > ** Reply to note from "Stan Pallis" > Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:54:10 +1100 > > > > I'm glad it works for you well. I was doing the same with an old amd > > k62-500 with 120MB available running win2k, Linux and Warp 4 it doesn't > > prove anything, I can be productive using Linux, OS/2, Win2K/XP > (not NT4) > > and Mac OS X > > I'll raise you with all of above, plus Win98, Mac OS9 and Abacus (for when > the power goes down) I'll go one better out comes my slide ruler and protractor :) > > > Voytek your agrument was about not being able to make cd's, > > > > Quote: > > I have other users with W2K on 2GH, and, 'performance' plainly sucks: > > open 'my docs' whilst burning a CD, presto, you've just made a perfect > > coaster > > End Quote > > > > your generalization has no basis of fact. > > my argument was that a high end windoze machine with a lot of RAM > still has > trouble doing anything else whilst making a CD, Then you should have been more clear it what you wanted to convey, if you're going to say I can't burn a cd while I open a folder and use that a as a generalisation I will call you on it. > > as it was, it was W2k with Roxio. I've never used Roxio on a win box only on a mac > > my argument was that a low powered hardware running OS/2 will outperform > latest high end hardware running windoze. > > still, after all these years Well we'll differ there, at one customer (200 users) I have an ibm pc p-133 with 64MB of ram running dns, dhcp, and proxy running nt4 server, I can't do that with current flavours of Linux or Warp Server on the same hardware. > > > > > > but my machine at home runs xp pro great with an anthlon xp > 1800 cpu, > > > > believe it or not I do get better performance in xp pro that > > > ecs 1.1 but it > > better performance for loading MS Office ? > yes, that I'll believe > > better performance in general use ? > I really don't think so, Stan. Depends on what you define as general use Voytek > > but, if does what you want, just use it, I would, if it did what I need. > > just don't kid yourself it provides better performabnce, that's all > I'm not kidding myself, wps is the ony reason why I still have OS/2 installed though for me it's become more of a hobby than a serious tool > > > Voytek Eymont Stan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:55:17 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Thunderbird David Forrester wrote: >On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:21:25 +1100, Dennis Nolan wrote: > > > >>As for the dictionary, it has the standard US_ENG installed. If there is >>an Australian one I would be most interested in installing it. >> >> > >Mozilla and Thunderbird can use the same dictionaries as OpenOffice. > has them packaged ready to install. > > > >>It's a pity that you can't use the Aus dictionary in Lotus Smart Suite. >>Seems stupid for every app to have it's own dictionary. >> >> > >Mozilla and OpenOffice use something called MySpell, which I assume is >an open-source spelling checker. Unfortunately, they probably use >separate copies of the dictionaries. Other than within the various >office suites, OS/2 has the only "works-everywhere" spelling checker >that I've heard. I think it's name is SpellGuard, but, I've never used >it. It probably doesn't work with Mozilla, as it doesn't use standard >OS/2 controls. >-- >David Forrester >davidfor at internode.on dot net >http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ > > > > >. > > > Hi All I downloaded the Aus.dic plugin and copied it to \Thunderbird\Components\MySpell\ directory. And thats all that needs to be done. When sending a message, the spell checker is invoked and in the spell checker dialog you can select which of the installed dictionarys to use. Regards Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:30:16 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device Hi Stan - here's the doco on how to install from a USB floppy - what you need for a USB harddisk, should be something similar: 8.2 Installing OS/2 using a USB-attached Floppy Diskette Drive and Keyboard --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: Detailed information on USB support is provided in the README.TXT file. 8.2.1 Modifying Diskette 1 For systems with one USB controller, add the following sequence of statements to the CONFIG.SYS file on Diskette 1: SET SAVECONNECT=1 SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /I13 BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS DEVICE=\USBKBD.SYS For systems with multiple USB host controllers, the host controller driver must be specified for each hardware controller. For example, the IBM ThinkPad T23 computer requires the following sequence of statements (three hardware USB host controllers on board): SET SAVECONNECT=1 SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /I13 BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS DEVICE=\USBKBD.SYS Add the following USB device drivers to Diskette 1: o USB Driver (USBD.SYS) o USB Universal Host Controller Driver (USBUHCD.SYS) o USB Mass Storage Device Adapter Device Driver (USBMSD.ADD) o USB Human Interface Device driver (USBHID.SYS) Add the following USB device driver to Diskette 2: o USB Keyboard Driver (USBKBD.SYS) The USB device drivers may be found on the OS/2 Device Driver Pak Online Web address: http://service.software.ibm dot com/os2ddpak/ The USB drivers may also be copied from the OS/2 CD by the running the following commands in an OS/2 window on an already installed OS/2 system, replacing "x:" with the CD-ROM drive letter: unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBD.SYS unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBUHCD.SYS unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBMSD.ADD unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBHID.SYS unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBKBD.SYS The drivers may then be copied from the \os2\boot directory to diskette. If there is not enough space on Diskette 1 or Diskette 2 to contain the additional drivers, follow the instructions in README.TXT to make additional space. Cheers/2 Ed. Stan Pallis wrote: > Hi Ed, > > You can't do it via the setup screen with ecs, it was the first thing I > tried unless I missed something, I'll have more time to do it next Sunday. > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au] > > Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 7:49 AM > > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > > Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device > > > > > > If you wish to install from scratch, you'll need to amend the > > install procedure to > > include the latest Software Choice USB drivers, otherwise the USB > > attached drive will > > no be visible after the first reboot. How to add drivers to the > > install procedure is > > well documented. If you're installing eCS, you may even be able > > to do it through their > > setup screen. > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > Ed. > > > > Stan Pallis wrote: > > > > > > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au] > > > > Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2003 7:00 PM > > > > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > > > > Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suspect, ONLY if the motherboard supports booting from an > > > > USB device - most > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > Cheers/2 > > > > > > > > Ed. > > > > > > > > > > Ed, > > > > > > My gigabyte board supports usb boot devices fdd, cdrom, and > > hdd, I'll try > > > installing it tonight. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------- > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:33:05 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: eComstation downloads Hi All I seem unable to download anything from the ecomstation dot com download area. Everything goes well untill clicking onto the file url. Then I get a message indicating the directory that contains the file doesn't exist. /Regards Dennis. /ps Just found out by accident ctrl I toggles /itallacs. / ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:33:57 +1100 From: "Stan Pallis" Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device Thanks Ed I'll let you know how I go > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Durrant [mailto:edurrant at bigpond dot net dot au] > Sent: Monday, 8 December 2003 8:30 PM > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > Subject: Re: Installing/ Booting OS/2 from a USB device > > > Hi Stan - here's the doco on how to install from a USB floppy - > what you need for a > USB harddisk, should be something similar: > > 8.2 Installing OS/2 using a USB-attached Floppy Diskette Drive > and Keyboard > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > Note: > Detailed information on USB support is provided in > the README.TXT file. > > 8.2.1 Modifying Diskette 1 > > For systems with one USB controller, add the following sequence of > statements to the CONFIG.SYS file on Diskette 1: > > SET SAVECONNECT=1 > SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 > BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /I13 > BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS > BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD > BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS > DEVICE=\USBKBD.SYS > > For systems with multiple USB host controllers, the host controller > driver must be specified for each hardware controller. For example, > the IBM ThinkPad T23 computer requires the following sequence > of statements (three hardware USB host controllers on board): > > SET SAVECONNECT=1 > SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 > BASEDEV=USBD.SYS /I13 > BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS > BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS > BASEDEV=USBUHCD.SYS > BASEDEV=USBMSD.ADD > BASEDEV=USBHID.SYS > DEVICE=\USBKBD.SYS > > Add the following USB device drivers to Diskette 1: > > o USB Driver (USBD.SYS) > o USB Universal Host Controller Driver (USBUHCD.SYS) > o USB Mass Storage Device Adapter Device Driver (USBMSD.ADD) > o USB Human Interface Device driver (USBHID.SYS) > > Add the following USB device driver to Diskette 2: > > o USB Keyboard Driver (USBKBD.SYS) > > The USB device drivers may be found on the OS/2 Device > Driver Pak Online Web address: > > http://service.software.ibm dot com/os2ddpak/ > > The USB drivers may also be copied from the OS/2 CD by the > running the following commands in an OS/2 window on an > already installed OS/2 system, replacing "x:" with the CD-ROM > drive letter: > > unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBD.SYS > unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBUHCD.SYS > unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBMSD.ADD > unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBHID.SYS > unpack x:\os2image\disk_5\usb /n:USBKBD.SYS > > The drivers may then be copied from the \os2\boot directory > to diskette. > > If there is not enough space on Diskette 1 or Diskette 2 to > contain the additional drivers, follow the instructions in > README.TXT to make additional space. > > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:58:18 +1100 From: "Stan Pallis" Subject: Re: OS/2 CP owners > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Smedley [mailto:paul at smedley.info] > Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2003 9:54 PM > To: os2genau at os2 dot org dot au > Subject: Re: OS/2 CP owners > > > On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:05:47, Voytek Eymont wrote: > > >my argument was that a high end windoze machine with a lot of > RAM still has > >trouble doing anything else whilst making a CD, > > > >as it was, it was W2k with Roxio. > > I'll concur with this - Adaptec Easy CD Creator on Win2k SP3 on a > P4-1.8Ghz & 384mb RAM > at work is real sluggish when writing CDs - pretty quick on > everything else - but terrible > when burning.. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > That's interesting Paul, I just did a quick test on my home pc, I just burnt a cd using the XP CD writer, I was watching a clip on cnet about star office 7, a number of explorer windows open, a ts client to my server at work, machine is doing io and burning a cd of about 300mb worth of data and I did not experience any slow down or failed writes. I don't think there was any differenc between 2k and xp except the UI. Cheers, Stan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:24:19 +1050 (CDT) From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Bigpond Cable Ed (Or anyone else on Bigpond Cable), Is this still working well with OS/2 - eComStation? With the recent change in plans to 10gig + shaping I'm tempted to rejoin Bigpond Cable as with the 10% discount it's only $63/month compared to my $80 now for ADSL for similar amounts of data. Any comments on Bigpond and OS/2 - does bpalogin still do what it needs to do? Cheers, Paul. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------