From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:01:04 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 757 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Tuesday 23 December 2003 Number 757 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems : Mike O'Connor 2 Re: ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems : voytek at sbt dot net dot au 3 Re: ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems : Mike O'Connor 4 Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed : Mailer daemon 5 Re: Living Without Microsoft : Trevor Jacobs 6 Re: Living Without Microsoft : Alan Heiser" 7 Re: Living Without Microsoft : John Angelico" 8 Have a good one peoples : Ian Manners" 9 Re: Java : Graham Norton" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:15:09 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems [originally sent to: Michael Peters with cc: os2genau - but os2genau copy seemed to have ended up in the bitbucket somewhere] Michael Peters wrote: >Mike, > I have just had the Telstra techie advise me to >switch to ISDN-at-home here on the farm 8km >from the exchange in Gippsland, Vic.He said he >could put a booster in our line to the exchange >enabling ISDN 2 channel capability where ADSL >is unobtainable. I was going to ask Ian all about >it as I think his OS2Site is on ISDN....but you >can tell me just as well. We will be able to drop >the second (modem) line we have, but I guess we >need a ISDN modem & s'ware . Are you with >BigPond ? Is your interface OS/2 or Windows >or Linux ? Is a small lan a problem ? Are you >utilising 64k for your internet connection and do >you initialise voice over? It's all new to me so >your advice would be welcome. I have read the >stuff at the BigPond site. > We could take this off-group if it's too specific. >Currently I'm with Austar ( the country Foxtel ) >via sattelite for TV only, but they act as ISP for >normal dial-up. They do not offer ISDN. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike O'Connor" >To: >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:56 PM >Subject: Re: Dial-Up ISP Problems > > > > > >>Until I had ISDN-at-home connected, at which time Telstra agreed the >>copper quality to the exchange, 5832m away at Banora Point, was >>inadequate to sustain a Digital line, without a booster for my >>*new*specific, individual, telephone line, they had always said that my >>equipment , blah, blah, was the problem - after I got the ISDN when >>connection was on a special last Christmas period for only $99 - vice >>$344 or so normally - my voice line also lost all the snap/crackle/pop >>that had plagued it but which was blamed by Telstra on the handset(s) - >>still in use and now perfect. >> >>-- >>Regards, >>Mike >> >> Hi Michael, I'm with dodo dot com dot au as ISP, but my ISDN line(s) are courtesy of Telstra. I have just a single 64Kb/sec 'B' Channel +16Kb/sec 'D' channel [control], as with Dodo - nationwide access for local call on 0198333424 [in almost all cases it's a local call] - they don't offer MultiLink-PPP [128Kb] access for ISDN, and it costs me a base rate of $9.90/month with excess downloads over 70MB/month capped at $14/month - normal month is $23.90, any light one is only $9.90. I still pay the same charge as when I was on analogue modem dial-up. If at some time in the future Dodo offer MLPPP [128Kb] a second digital data line would cost me an extra $4 per month from Telstra. If I went to Telstra for ISP the minimum charge would be $24.95/month plus that's not capped for capacity. Prior to having ISDN, the amount of connection charges for the multiple calls with carrier-loss and subsequent re-dials at 20-25 cents per call on my *single* PTSN line - either Internet/BBS or voice amounted to a heck of a lot more than I am paying for ISDN with a Digital quality data line plus a voice line both usable concurrently, so cost has decreased while facilities/quality have improved - a win/win situation. ISDN-at-home is charged at 30 cents per hour of connection time [per 'B' channel]- no connection charge per call. The 30 cents per hour is charged on a *per-second* basis - calls of under 120 seconds duration cost *nothing*. I run exclusively on OS/2-eCS - one of my MCP/2 systems runs the Injoy dialler with NAT and Dial-on-Demand activated and the www is available on every other machine on the LAN, as that machine is directly connected via RS-232C cable from COM2 to the ISDN line termination unit - an NT1 Plus II which has an analogue phone jack [that you can plug an additional regular modem into], a USB jack and a 9-pin COMM port - that I'm using. There is no separate modem/card required for ISDN, as there is effectively a digital modem built into the NT1 PlusII - just an ADC and DAC for the signal conversion. Some months my total calls on DoD are up to about 8,000 - repeat 8,000 - that would be impossible to do with a regular analogue modem on a PSTN line - for a charge around $10, mainly accounting for downloading fixpacks/IBMWB updates etc. Ian is now on ADSL, from what I remember reading recently, with further speed upgrades upcoming. I haven't had any involvement with Voice-over-IP whatsoever - as an OAP I'm not into that :-) As I was in the same situation with no possible ADSL/Cable, I'd say go ahead - you won't regret it. My son was one of the original Austar people - he was responsible for setting up all the Regional outlets in the early days - Darwin/Mt.Isa/Townsville/Mt.Gambier/Ballarat .....etc., and was their Network Communications Engineer based on the Gold Coast [HQ]. Hope this has answered all your queries. -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:30:26 +1100 (EST) From: voytek at sbt dot net dot au Subject: Re: ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems > Mike, > I have just had the Telstra techie advise me to > switch to ISDN-at-home here on the farm 8km > from the exchange in Gippsland, Vic.He said he > could put a booster in our line to the exchange > enabling ISDN 2 channel capability where ADSL > is unobtainable. I was going to ask Ian all about > it as I think his OS2Site is on ISDN....but you > can tell me just as well. We will be able to drop > the second (modem) line we have, but I guess we > need a ISDN modem & s'ware . what are the ISDN charges nowdays ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:03:48 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: ISDN- was Dial-Up ISP Problems voytek at sbt dot net dot au wrote: >>Mike, >> I have just had the Telstra techie advise me to >>switch to ISDN-at-home here on the farm 8km >>from the exchange in Gippsland, Vic.He said he >>could put a booster in our line to the exchange >>enabling ISDN 2 channel capability where ADSL >>is unobtainable. I was going to ask Ian all about >>it as I think his OS2Site is on ISDN....but you >>can tell me just as well. We will be able to drop >>the second (modem) line we have, but I guess we >>need a ISDN modem & s'ware . >> >> > >what are the ISDN charges nowdays ? > > Hi Voytek, The charges are on Telstra's webpages - I can only advise what I pay for ISDN-at-home, which is different to the Business Rates - of which there are multiple categories. ISDN at-home, [for which I get a reduced charge, as an OAP] would normally be $45.50/month including GST, plus $0.30 per hour of connected time - charged on a per-second basis - less than 120 seconds connection time - NIL, otherwise $0.01 per 2 minutes connected, plus standard call charges on the associated voice-line. Makes dial on demand sensible - as unless I have a lot of mail to download, initial login only usually, all subsequent DoD are only for a few seconds, frequent checks on mail. Does that help? -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: 22 Dec 2003 21:25:38 +1100 From: Mailer daemon Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed Your mail was not delivered to the following recipients. gillpete at vic.australis dot com dot au: 554 5.7.1 Message cannot be accepted, virus found There will be no further attempts to deliver this mail. [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:18:26 +1100 From: Trevor Jacobs Subject: Re: Living Without Microsoft Greetings John On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:48:58 +1100 (AEDT), you wrote: >I am hoping that Voytek will re-run his non-offensive seasons greetings >email again, since I can't find the one he sent last year. Without Voytek's panache, but I'll proffer the following ......... Dear Friends Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the summer solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or the secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious or secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. May you have a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2004, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped to make Australia great (not to imply that Australia is necessarily greater than any other country) and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith, political belief, choice of computer platform or sexual preference of the wishee. By accepting this greeting you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her or him or others, is void where prohibited by law and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and the warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher. With kind regards (not to infer that my regards would ever be those of an untoward nature), To you and your family, health, happiness and..... Merry Christmas & Happy New Year tj -- some quotes perceptive, some pedestrian, none mine :-) "It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young." (Konrad Lorenz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:16 +1000 (KST) From: "Alan Heiser" Subject: Re: Living Without Microsoft Aperson! And my best wishes to all as well. Alan On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:18:26 +1100, Trevor Jacobs wrote: >Greetings John > >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:48:58 +1100 (AEDT), you wrote: > >>I am hoping that Voytek will re-run his non-offensive seasons greetings >>email again, since I can't find the one he sent last year. > >Without Voytek's panache, but I'll proffer the following ......... > > >Dear Friends > >Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes >for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, >non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the summer solstice >holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the >religious persuasion of your choice, or the secular practices of your >choice, with respect for the religious or secular persuasions and/or >traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or >secular traditions at all. May you have a fiscally successful, >personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the >onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2004, but not without >due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose >contributions to society have helped to make Australia great (not to >imply that Australia is necessarily greater than any other country) >and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, >religious faith, political belief, choice of computer platform or >sexual preference of the wishee. > >By accepting this greeting you are accepting these terms. This >greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely >transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies >no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for >her or him or others, is void where prohibited by law and is revocable >at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to >perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a >period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday >greeting, whichever comes first, and the warranty is limited to >replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole >discretion of the wisher. > >With kind regards (not to infer that my regards would ever be those of >an untoward nature), > >To you and your family, health, happiness and..... > >Merry Christmas & Happy New Year > > > > >tj > >-- some quotes perceptive, some pedestrian, none mine :-) > > > "It is a good morning exercise for a research scientist to discard a >pet hypothesis every day before breakfast. It keeps him young." (Konrad Lorenz) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:25:02 +1100 (AEDT) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Living Without Microsoft On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:52:16 +1000 (KST), Alan Heiser wrote: Yes, well done Trevor! >Aperson! Ah, you missed one Alan: "son" is another sexist expression. Aper-it! maybe? Or Aperitif for the French? > >And my best wishes to all as well. Being a curmugeonly old fogie who doesn't have to be politically correct in this PC arena I can say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone, including the femenazi thought police! PS: just got Voytek's greetings on another list. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Us old fogies don't have to be politically correct. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:59:24 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Have a good one peoples http://www.whatacrappypresent dot com PS, My internet link is SDSL, 1.5Mb upload, 1.5Mb download. Anyone that downloads from my sites are capped at 50Kbps for port 21 or 80. With ISDN, it uses higher voltages for data transmission so your signal, and voice should be a lot clearer/cleaner. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:03:57 +1050 (CDT) From: "Graham Norton" Subject: Re: Java Hi Ed >I still have JAVA 131 installed. I need it for TCPCFG2. > is this the TCPIP set up java application ? cant you set this up uisng a text editor have you completely deleted the Java 1.1 version that seems to be the default install with the OS installation? Graham Norton Neurologist "when I need a hole in the head, I use Windows when I need a window on the brain, I use OS2!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------