From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:01:05 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 770 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Tuesday 06 January 2004 Number 770 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: PMfax Pro : Ed Durrant 2 Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Dennis Nolan 3 Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Gavin Miller 4 *.scr : Dennis Nolan 5 Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Daryl Pilkington 6 Re: *.scr : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 7 Re: Timestamps- help? : Gavin Miller 8 Re: *.scr : Kris Steenhaut 9 Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? : Kris Steenhaut 10 Re: Timestamps- help? : Daryl Pilkington 11 OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS : Paul Smedley 12 Re: Timestamps- help? : Dennis Nolan 13 Re: Timestamps- help? : Daryl Pilkington 14 Re: Timestamps- help? : Ken Laurie 15 Re: Timestamps- help? : Ken Laurie 16 Re: Timestamps- help? : Dennis Nolan 17 Re: Timestamps- help? : Daryl Pilkington **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 07:47:58 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: PMfax Pro Actually my conclusion is the webpage isn't very well designed - no insult meant to yourself, lots of people have missed this, so it obviously is not very clearly displayed. By the way, since I subscribe to several newslists, I see the total number of people asking this same question. Cheers/2 Ed. Alan Duval wrote: > > Thanks Ed. I obviously didn't see these codes on the web page. Eyes not what they used to be. > > Alan > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:18:34 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? Gavin Miller wrote: >Whoohoo!!! (Homer style) :) > >I'm also grabbing a copy of thunderbird as I write this. > > >Cheers >G > > > >. > > > I've judt given Thunderbird & Firebird the chop. Firstly the new build of Firebird wouldn't start, and then the previous version became tempremental and finaly stopped, dead. But the main problem was there was no way to have them work together. That is Click a url in firebird and have thunderbird fire up to the url I've just now installed Mpzilla Build 2003120914. I'll see how this goes. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:28:00 +1100 From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? I have gone back to Mozilla 1.4.1 w/ installer. I could not get Thunderbird or Firebird working together even with cmd scripts. I did try going back to Firebird 0.6; again same problem. I found 0.6 a bit unstable. Now I know I have mismatched memory in my machine so any crashes are inevitable, but 0.6 was quite bad for dropping out. Cheers G Dennis Nolan wrote: > Gavin Miller wrote: > >> Whoohoo!!! (Homer style) :) >> >> I'm also grabbing a copy of thunderbird as I write this. >> >> >> Cheers >> G >> > >> >> > >> >> . >> >> >> > I've judt given Thunderbird & Firebird the chop. > > Firstly the new build of Firebird wouldn't start, and then the > previous version became tempremental and finaly stopped, dead. > > But the main problem was there was no way to have them work together. > > That is > > Click a url in firebird and have thunderbird fire up to the url > > I've just now installed Mpzilla Build 2003120914. > > I'll see how this goes. > > Regards > > Dennis. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:02:10 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: *.scr I keep getting messages with *.scr attachments. Can anybody tell me what thay are, and what I need to be able to see them. I assume thay are some kind of image file Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:20:29 +1100 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? Hi Gavin, I'm running FireBird 0.7 & Thunderbird 0.3 for weeks now on W2k, love it. I've got 0.3 running on an OS/2 box, but haven't tried installing 0.7 with it. Is anyone running 0.3 & 0.7 together on OS/2? Gavin Miller wrote: > I have gone back to Mozilla 1.4.1 w/ installer. I could not get > Thunderbird or Firebird working together even with cmd scripts. I did > try going back to Firebird 0.6; again same problem. I found 0.6 a bit > unstable. Now I know I have mismatched memory in my machine so any > crashes are inevitable, but 0.6 was quite bad for dropping out. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:34:06 +1000 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: *.scr Hi Dennis, Someone is infected with a windows virus. *.SCR files are usually screen saver files and in windows they can be made to run automatically. So virus writers started using the SCR extension as yet another means of installing viruses and creating mayhem. Just delete the damn things, don't even try to look at them. Regards, Robert Traynor (BobT). 6 January 2004 10:33 On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:02:10 +1100, Dennis Nolan wrote: > I keep getting messages with *.scr attachments. > > Can anybody tell me what thay are, and what I need to be able to see them. > > I assume thay are some kind of image file > > Regards > > Dennis. ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:40:57 +1100 From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am) Daz yours came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am. Tell me it's not my settings :-( I'm not using PMmail anymore. It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1 Cheers G ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:10:24 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: *.scr Dennis Nolan schreef: > I keep getting messages with *.scr attachments. > Worms, virusses.. anything bad you can think of. > Can anybody tell me what thay are, and what I need to be able to see > them. > > Bottom line: you don't need to see them, you don't need them at all. :-) -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 01:11:04 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Timestamps- Is it fixed yet? Daryl Pilkington schreef: > Hi Gavin, > I'm running FireBird 0.7 & Thunderbird 0.3 for weeks now on W2k, love it. > I've got 0.3 running on an OS/2 box, but haven't tried installing 0.7 > with it. > > Is anyone running 0.3 & 0.7 together on OS/2? > Yep. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:16:21 +1100 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get. Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real Time Clock on their PC? Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states participating in Daylight Saving are: set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Gavin Miller wrote: > Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me (recent > posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am) Daz yours came in right > assuming you posted at 10:20am. Tell me it's not my settings :-( > I'm not using PMmail anymore. It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:34:19 +1030 From: Paul Smedley Subject: OpenOffice v1.1 for OS/2 & eCS For those that haven't seen this yet, OpenOffice v1.1 Beta 1 is now available for OS/2 & eCS from http://www.innotek.de/products/openofficeos2/beta/ From that page: A joint effort between Serenity Systems and InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH OpenOffice for OS/2 is a port of the well known product to the eComStation and OS/2 Warp platforms with special support for InnoTek's font engine for OS/2. To try out the beta, you have to download and install three products: * InnoTek Font Engine for OS/2 Version 2.10 Preview 2 * InnoTek Runtime for OS/2 Preview 1 * OpenOffice 1.1 for OS/2 Beta 1 Please download and install the order given above. Refer to the documentation of each component for installation instructions and additional information. OpenOffice 1.1 for OS/2 Readme. For support and more information, please refer to the InnoTek Online Support Forums. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:45:17 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Daryl Pilkington wrote: > Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get. > Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real Time > Clock on their PC? > > Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states > participating in Daylight Saving are: > > set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > > Gavin Miller wrote: > >> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me >> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am) Daz yours came >> in right assuming you posted at 10:20am. Tell me it's not my >> settings :-( >> I'm not using PMmail anymore. It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1 >> > > > > > . > Don't know what's going on My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm The clock in the System setup shows The toime as 17:39:nn Country is set to Australia The City is set to Melbourne The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39 Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have to have a look at my settings. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:50:29 +1100 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Thanks Dennis, What is your TZ variable in config.sys Are you using any timezone software like Dstswitch? Dennis Nolan wrote: SNIP > Don't know what's going on > > My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm > > The clock in the System setup shows > > The toime as 17:39:nn > > Country is set to Australia > The City is set to Melbourne > The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic > > Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39 > > Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have to > have a look at my settings. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:52:58 +1100 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Dennis Nolan wrote: > Daryl Pilkington wrote: > >> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get. >> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real >> Time Clock on their PC? >> >> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states >> participating in Daylight Saving are: >> >> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 >> >> Gavin Miller wrote: >> >>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me >>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am) Daz yours >>> came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am. Tell me it's not my >>> settings :-( >>> I'm not using PMmail anymore. It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1 >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> . >> > Don't know what's going on > > My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm > > The clock in the System setup shows > > The toime as 17:39:nn > > Country is set to Australia > The City is set to Melbourne > The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic > > Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39 > > Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have > to have a look at my settings. > > Regards > > Dennis. > > > > > > Dennis You email has shown up as 18:45 in my mozilla email. regards Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:58:52 +1100 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Ken Laurie wrote: > Dennis Nolan wrote: > >> Daryl Pilkington wrote: >> >>> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get. >>> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real >>> Time Clock on their PC? >>> >>> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states >>> participating in Daylight Saving are: >>> >>> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 >>> >>> Gavin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me >>>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am) Daz yours >>>> came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am. Tell me it's not my >>>> settings :-( >>>> I'm not using PMmail anymore. It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >> Don't know what's going on >> >> My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm >> >> The clock in the System setup shows >> >> The toime as 17:39:nn >> >> Country is set to Australia >> The City is set to Melbourne >> The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic >> >> Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39 >> >> Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have >> to have a look at my settings. >> >> Regards >> >> Dennis. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Dennis > > You email has shown up as 18:45 in my mozilla email. > > regards > Ken > > > > > Dennis It looks like my time is wrong as well. I just noted that my email showed up as 18:52. My tz setting is: SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 regards Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 19:11:21 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Ken Laurie wrote: > Dennis Nolan wrote: > >> Daryl Pilkington wrote: >> >>> Thats the time for Denis & Robert I get. >>> Maybe they don't have their tz variable set correctly or the Real >>> Time Clock on their PC? >>> >>> Correct parameters for tz variable for Eastern Australia states >>> participating in Daylight Saving are: >>> >>> set tz=est-10edt,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 >>> >>> Gavin Miller wrote: >>> >>>> Ok now many posts are reported as 1 hour into the future for me >>>> (recent posts for Denis 11:02am and Robert T 11:34am) Daz yours >>>> came in right assuming you posted at 10:20am. Tell me it's not my >>>> settings :-( >>>> I'm not using PMmail anymore. It's now Mozilla Mail 1.4.1 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >> Don't know what's going on >> >> My taskbar shows the correct time 05:39:nn pm >> >> The clock in the System setup shows >> >> The toime as 17:39:nn >> >> Country is set to Australia >> The City is set to Melbourne >> The Time zone is (UTZ+10,K) Australia, NSW, Qld, Vic >> >> Yet whwn I sent myself a test message the time shown is 18:39 >> >> Also the Mozilla Email shows the time in the date collumn. I'll have >> to have a look at my settings. >> >> Regards >> >> Dennis. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Dennis > > You email has shown up as 18:45 in my mozilla email. > > regards > Ken > > > > > . > As I see it eCS Clock adjusts the clock for summer time. It also looks after the Config.sys REM *** The TZ string is maintained by eCS Clock. Do not change manually! Please refer to the clock's manual. *** SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Copied from Config.sys Then we have Mozilla - Looks at the Config.sys TZ environment variable and uses it to set the time One Hour ahead of the correct time. I guess ther's a good argument for setting the computer system clock to GMT or UTC, and then using the TZ to decide what time to display. All time stamps in UTC, end of confusion and a strike for conformity and simplicity. Too sensible I supose Or has some idiot patented that idea. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 18:24:40 +1100 From: Daryl Pilkington Subject: Re: Timestamps- help? Sounds like eCS Clock is doing something screwy. Or Mozilla is doing something screwy. Post a message to the eCS clock & mozilla newsgroups, (sorry don't know the URL). Guys, can you configure your email clients to quote at the end of the message rather than the beginning, its a PITA to scroll down to get to the real info. Dennis Nolan wrote: SNIP > As I see it eCS Clock adjusts the clock for summer time. It also looks > after the Config.sys > > REM *** The TZ string is maintained by eCS Clock. Do not change > manually! Please refer to the clock's manual. *** > SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > > Copied from Config.sys > > Then we have Mozilla - Looks at the Config.sys TZ environment variable > and uses it to set the time One Hour ahead of the correct time. > > I guess ther's a good argument for setting the computer system clock to > GMT or UTC, and then using the TZ to decide what time to display. All > time stamps in UTC, end of confusion and a strike for conformity and > simplicity. > > Too sensible I supose > > Or has some idiot patented that idea. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------