From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:01:05 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 791 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 31 January 2004 Number 791 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" 2 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" 3 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont 4 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont 5 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Ed Durrant 6 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont 7 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 8 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 9 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 10 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : John Angelico" 11 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont 12 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont 13 Re: Java 1.41 : Alan Duval" 14 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Voytek Eymont 15 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Mike O'Connor 16 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Alan Duval" 17 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 18 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 19 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 20 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 21 Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C : Kris Steenhaut 22 Re: Java 1.41 : David Forrester" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:15:28 +1100 (AEDT) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:17 +1100, Daryl Pilkington wrote: So strong Daryl. >John Angelico wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> I have an opportunity to grab a HP ScanJet 5100C model for $50. >> >> As I read the SANE docs, this is a parallel port model fully supported by the >> SANE/TAME software. >> >> Can anyone offer advice or experience in using this model please? >> >Hi John, >Don't touch parallel-port scanners with a barge-pole. >Nothing but trouble & the lpt interface really is too slow for the >amount of data throughput, Oh, good luck trying to get a printer working >through it too ;) What about using a separate card? > >I might update my HP 4c & 5p scanners, both are for sale. >Full support provided to get you going. >The 5p has_never_been_used. It came from a customer's site & still >contained a sheet of packaging paper on the glass under the lid:- i.e. >it had never been used, although the exterior is slightly soiled. > >I've even got the box for the 4c & will provide a better-than-original >ISA SCSI card with the unit. The original card was a CPU hog & I think I >threw it out. In Melb? What sort of money? Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:31:28 +1100 (AEDT) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote: Um, Kris, these two statements are now in complete conflict. Alan has said he has a parallel port scanner working with Copyshop 2 and you say Copyshop/2 can't handle them. Could there be some difference in features of CS/2? Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldad at kepl dot com dot au ________________________ > >Alan Duval schreef: > >>On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:07:27 +1100 (AEDT), John Angelico wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all! >>> >>>I have an opportunity to grab a HP ScanJet 5100C model for $50. >>> >>>As I read the SANE docs, this is a parallel port model fully supported by the >>>SANE/TAME software. >>> >>>Can anyone offer advice or experience in using this model please? >>> >>> >> >>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with >>Copyshop 2. >> >> >> >Copyshop/2 can't handle parallel port scanners. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:52:23 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C ** Reply to note from "John Angelico" Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:31:28 +1100 (AEDT) > >>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with > >>Copyshop 2. hmmm, I'd be very (pleasantly) surprised if CS/2 could be used with LPT scanner... Voytek Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:04:39 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100 > >Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with > >Copyshop 2. HP 4P parallel port scanner.... did HP have a parallel port scanner for years...? not that I claim to be a HP expert, but, I just dodn't recall HP making LPT scanners... Voytek Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:39:28 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C I think HP used to supply a parrallel port to SCSI-I convertor cable with some scanners. Cheers/2 Ed. Voytek Eymont wrote: > ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100 > > > >Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with > > >Copyshop 2. > > HP 4P parallel port scanner.... > did HP have a parallel port scanner for years...? > not that I claim to be a HP expert, but, I just dodn't recall HP making LPT scanners... > > Voytek > Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:51:24 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C ** Reply to note from Ed Durrant Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:39:28 +1100 > I think HP used to supply a parrallel port to SCSI-I convertor cable with some scanners. Ed, according to me vague recollection, *all* HP scanners were SCSI (and, all worked with OS/2, whether with Galleria, CopyShop, Applause, CFMTwain, Impos etc. and, even Imara Scan Tool (a trully attrocious app) Voytek Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:14:45 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C John Angelico schreef: >On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > >Um, Kris, these two statements are now in complete conflict. > >Alan has said he has a parallel port scanner working with Copyshop 2 and you >say Copyshop/2 can't handle them. > > > And Bush says Irak is/was piled up with mass detruction weapons. Sorry guys, Copyshop/2 _only_ handles scsi devices. The HP5p IS A scsi device. The HP 5100c IS A parallel port device. Stop dreaming. >Could there be some difference in features of CS/2? > > > Superficiality never has been a good guide. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Voytek Eymont schreef: >** Reply to note from "John Angelico" Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:31:28 +1100 (AEDT) > > > > >>>>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with >>>>Copyshop 2. >>>> >>>> > >hmmm, I'd be very (pleasantly) surprised if CS/2 could be used with LPT scanner... > > > I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-) The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p running here with Tame/2. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:20:16 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Voytek Eymont schreef: >** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100 > > > > >>>Don't know this model. I have used a HP 4P parallel port scanner with OS/2 for years. Runs well with >>>Copyshop 2. >>> >>> > >HP 4P parallel port scanner.... > > Absolutely not. >did HP have a parallel port scanner for years...? > > The first // port scanner HP ever pruduced was the HP 5100C. >not that I claim to be a HP expert, but, I just dodn't recall HP making LPT scanners... > > > > From now on, I'll grant you the status of HP scanner expert. :-)) > > >Voytek >Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan > > > > >. > > > -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:23:58 +1100 (AEDT) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > >The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p >running here with Tame/2. Ah! So that's the difference. And George Bush didn't have anything to do with it! Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:54:24 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:14:45 +0100 > Sorry guys, Copyshop/2 _only_ handles scsi devices. yes, or, to be more precise, Dan deSoto's Danmar driver only supports SCSI HP scanners. Voytek Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:00:25 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100 > I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-) > > The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p > running here with Tame/2. now that I think of it, the HP-supplied SCSI card had a DB25 connector, not unlike, a, whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer port. and, if memory serves me right, HP supplied also a DB25 to Amphenol connector, again,not unlike, a, whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer cable. To an unititiated, it would look, just like a //, I suspect that's how the confusion arose. then again, it's a nice thought Ed had Voytek Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:08:42 +1100 (AEDT) From: "Alan Duval" Subject: Re: Java 1.41 On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:39:20 +1100 (EDT), David Forrester wrote: >My test for Java in the browser is >. It works well with >Innotek's Java. As does the St George Bank's internet banking. >-- >David Forrester Went to the above site. Is Text Twist a Java program? It came up on the screen OK. All the other games were for windows98. Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:09:25 From: Voytek Eymont Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C ** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:20:16 +0100 > From now on, I'll grant you the status of HP scanner expert. :-)) make it a fond HP vintage scanner expert, OK ? hmmmm, with cars, we have, what, veteran, vintage after, is it...? 25/15 years ?? how shall we delinate old computer gear ? rather than junk ? I'm still using my ancient 2P with, (bless you Paul Balme for adding ADF support!!!) ADF. If I recall, the ADF alone cost like... about A$1200. but, a HP scanner with ADF with CS/2 and PMfax, what a trio ! I saw one in a junk shop the other day, I might buy it for a spare. Voytek Checked for Virus's by Asoft Email Scan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:13:31 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Voytek Eymont wrote: >** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100 > >>I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-) >>The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p >>running here with Tame/2. >> >> > >now that I think of it, the HP-supplied SCSI card had a DB25 connector, not unlike, a, whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer port. > >and, if memory serves me right, HP supplied also a DB25 to Amphenol connector, again,not unlike, a, whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer cable. > > >To an unititiated, it would look, just like a //, I suspect that's how the confusion arose. > >then again, it's a nice thought Ed had > >Voytek > > Hi Voytek, So what *IS* Alan Duval running? -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:15:48 +1100 (AEDT) From: "Alan Duval" Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > >Alan Duval schreef: >Copyshop/2 can't handle parallel port scanners. > >-- >Groeten uit Gent, > > Kris My apology. Mixing up my HP printer and HP 4Pscanner. The scanner has a SCSI card. I thought the large connector was to a parallel port. Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:17:51 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Voytek Eymont schreef: >** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:14:45 +0100 > > > > >>Sorry guys, Copyshop/2 _only_ handles scsi devices. >> >> > >yes, >or, to be more precise, Dan deSoto's Danmar driver only supports SCSI HP scanners. > > > Quite right. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:22:42 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Voytek Eymont schreef: >** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:17:14 +0100 > > > > >>I would even be more pleasently surprised if my car would run on water. :-) >> >>The HP4P is a scsi device, not a // device. I've 3 copies of HP 4p >>running here with Tame/2. >> >> > >now that I think of it, the HP-supplied SCSI card had a DB25 connector, not unlike, a, >whatchmacalit, yes, parallel printer port. > > > The HP4p and 4c scanners do have a centronics as well as a db25 "outlet". The db 25 was in the first place meant for the MAC systems. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:29:05 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Voytek Eymont schreef: >** Reply to note from Kris Steenhaut Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:20:16 +0100 > > > > >>From now on, I'll grant you the status of HP scanner expert. :-)) >> >> > >make it a fond HP vintage scanner expert, OK ? > > Of course. _ALL_ HP scanners are vintage now. The devices now put on the market by Compaq (disguised as HP-new) are Avision scanners (disguised as HP-scanners). -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:30:42 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Mike O'Connor schreef: > > So what *IS* Alan Duval running? > For sure he isn't using a parallel port scanner. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:33:43 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: More questions on scanners now HP5100C Alan Duval schreef: >On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:46:48 +0100, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > > >>Copyshop/2 can't handle parallel port scanners. >> >> >> >My apology. Mixing up my HP printer and HP 4Pscanner. >The scanner has a SCSI card. I thought the large connector was to a parallel port. > > > Your HP4 has a centronics (// port) as well as a db 25 outlet. You can use both outlets, provided the scsi-cable has a suitable connection to the scsi card. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 22 ==========================** Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:55:16 +1100 (EDT) From: "David Forrester" Subject: Re: Java 1.41 On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:08:42 +1100 (AEDT), Alan Duval wrote: > >Went to the above site. Is Text Twist a Java program? It came up on the screen OK. >All the other games were for windows98. Yes, Text Twist is a Java program. And, as you saw it come up, that says that Java is working for you. -- David Forrester davidfor at internode.on dot net http://www.os2world dot com/djfos2/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------