From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:01:02 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 832 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 10 April 2004 Number 832 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: LVM and WinXP : Ed Durrant 2 Re: LVM and WinXP : Ed Durrant 3 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Ed Durrant 4 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 5 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Ed Durrant 6 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Ed Durrant 7 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 8 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" 9 Win XP reqs : Ed Durrant 10 Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network : Ed Durrant 11 Broadband : Dennis J. Nolan" 12 Re: Win XP reqs : Mike O'Connor 13 Re: Win XP reqs : Ed Durrant 14 Re: Win XP reqs : Mike O'Connor 15 Re: Win XP reqs : Mike O'Connor 16 Re: Win XP reqs : Ed Durrant 17 Re: Win XP reqs : Mike O'Connor **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:22:41 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: LVM and WinXP Mike O'Connor wrote: > > Hi Ed, > Did you allocate C: to it and make that 2GB FAT partition the STARTABLE > partition, with LVM, prior to shutting down the system in advance of > booting from the XP-CD? Don't have *that* OS here to test out the > suppositions. Apart from the drive letter (it doesn't need to be C: for XP I think) - yes to the other points. Thanks for the links I'll check them out. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:38:07 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: LVM and WinXP Thanks for this mike, however I've checked the links and these are describing how to use the Windoz2 "multi-boot" - multiple OSes on one partition usually option that come up at start-up of Windoze NT/2K/XP, not using IBM Boot manager. There's also no specification of what the partition has to be but I guess XP is so cronic that it can't start from a higher partition location ! (ie over cylinder 1024). This used to be a problem also in OS/2 until the kernal was updated and since NT/W2K and XP all use the OS/2 2.0 kernal still, I'd expect this problem. (Kernel coding has never been a Microsnot skill). Unfortunately my first (93GB) partition has 34GB of data on it, so to store, delete and re-create it smaller to make space for XP is going to be a trick job. Perhaps I can zip the data down onto 4 or 5 DVD-RWs ? Thanks anyway Cheers/2 Ed. Mike O'Connor wrote: > Here's a couple of M$ bits that may be of use: > > Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 306559 > "HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System in Windows XP" > http://support.microsoft dot com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;306559 > > Multibooting with Windows 2000 and Windows XP > http://www.microsoft dot com/windows2000/techinfo/administration/management/mltiboot.asp > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:48:36 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network Check on the Warp Server box, the machine account for the NT server - is it locked out - if so what has happenned is that the password that you assigned to it has expired and the NT box couldn't reset it. If this is the case... On the NT box either shut the server down or NET STOP NETLOGON if NT supports this command. On the Warp Server box, delete and re-create the machine ID and set it with no password and password never expires (for now), add it into the servers group. Restart the NT server, or NET START NETLOGON. If there's no errors, you're probably back in operation. If this doesn't apply, make sure the domain/workgroup name on the NT box hasn't change, if so change it back and re-boot. make sure the computer browser service is active on the Warp server. Cheers/2 Ed. "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > Hi All, > It appears that my NT V4 advanced server box has fallen off the > OS/2 network. > > It appears to have lost the ability to contact, or find out who is > the domain controller. > > I can do a net use to any drive anywhere, so the lan and (some > level of) SMB networking is working. This is all using netbios. > > I used to have a net time /set /y command in my startup.cmd file > and now it say that it can not find a time source. > > INET is the domain controller for the WARP domain, and it has the > BROWSER and TIMESOURCE services running. > > Do I need the "Computer Browser" service running on NT? The NT box > only see itself on the network. Although it can share drives with the XP > box, it does not see it either. > > This appears to have been a recent problem, so I am not sure of > what is wrong/changed. > > Help! > > -Chris > > WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. > Voice: +61-3-9307-0344 Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au > FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au > Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 212, Brunswick, VIC 3056, AUSTRALIA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:18:40 +1000 (EST) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:48:36 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Check on the Warp Server box, the machine account for the NT server - is it locked out >- if so what has happenned is that the password that you assigned to it has expired >and the NT box couldn't reset it. If this is the case... > > >On the NT box either shut the server down or NET STOP NETLOGON if NT supports this >command. > >On the Warp Server box, delete and re-create the machine ID and set it with no >password and password never expires (for now), add it into the servers group. > >Restart the NT server, or NET START NETLOGON. > >If there's no errors, you're probably back in operation. > >If this doesn't apply, make sure the domain/workgroup name on the NT box hasn't >change, if so change it back and re-boot. make sure the computer browser service is >active on the Warp server. So I only need one browser (OS/2) or 'computer browser' (win) on the network? -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0344 Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 212, Brunswick, VIC 3056, AUSTRALIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:24:47 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network Having the browser service active on the warp server makes it visible to Windoze boxes. Cheers/2 Ed. "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > So I only need one browser (OS/2) or 'computer browser' (win) on the > network? > > -Chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:38:32 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network It's on as default in Warp ser for e-Business by the way. Ed Durrant wrote: > Having the browser service active on the warp server makes it visible to Windoze boxes. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > > > So I only need one browser (OS/2) or 'computer browser' (win) on the > > network? > > > > -Chris > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:51:41 +1000 (EST) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:48:36 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >Check on the Warp Server box, the machine account for the NT server - is it locked out >- if so what has happenned is that the password that you assigned to it has expired >and the NT box couldn't reset it. If this is the case... I've never defined a machine account (like we need to for OS/2). Anyway, it is all up and running now. Perhaps just a reboot was all that was needed (but I thought that I originally did that). Oh well, all ok now. -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0344 Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 212, Brunswick, VIC 3056, AUSTRALIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:52:34 +1000 (EST) From: "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:38:32 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: >It's on as default in Warp ser for e-Business by the way. So, given that stopping master browser network elections is generally a good thing, then I should disable all of the "Computer Browser" services on all of the Win?? boxes? -Chris WarpSpeed Computers - The Graham Utilities for OS/2. Voice: +61-3-9307-0344 Internet: chrisg at warpspeed dot com dot au FAX: +61-3-9307-0633 Web Page: http://www.warpspeed dot com dot au Postal: WarpSpeed Computers, PO Box 212, Brunswick, VIC 3056, AUSTRALIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:05:02 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Win XP reqs Following up on my problems in adding an XP partition to my OS/2 box to test hardware ... I think I have found why WinXP wont install high up on a drive, where OS/2 and eCS will - from http://www.star-tools dot com/partitionstar/english/manual/bid.html Windows 2000, XP: FAT 16, partition smaller than 4 GB and ends below 8 GB: Type "06" FAT 16, partition smaller than 4 GB and ends below 8 GB: Type "0E" FAT 32, partition smaller than 32 GB and ends below 8 GB: Type "0B" FAT 32, partition smaller than 32 GB and ends below 8 GB: Type "0C" NTFS, begins below cylinder 1024: Type "07" So it looks like an XP boot partition MUST start below cylinder 1024. What's also interesting in this table are the FAT32 partitions that can be up to 32GB in size but must end below 8 GB - how's that possible ?? Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:06:36 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: NT Adv Server on an OS/2 network "Chris Graham [WarpSpeed]" wrote: > On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:48:36 +1000, Ed Durrant wrote: > > >Check on the Warp Server box, the machine account for the NT server - is it locked out > >- if so what has happenned is that the password that you assigned to it has expired > >and the NT box couldn't reset it. If this is the case... > > I've never defined a machine account (like we need to for OS/2). > That would suggest that the NT server was never a member of the OS/2 domain but simply mapped files to it right ? > > Anyway, it is all up and running now. Perhaps just a reboot was all that > was needed (but I thought that I originally did that). Oh well, all ok now. > > -Chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:49:47 +1000 From: "Dennis J. Nolan" Subject: Broadband Hi all I'm seeking advice I think it is time for me to go ADSL I've been doing a little research, and having got a friend up and running with Big Pond's offer where everything that could go wrong, went wrong. I've decided to get as much enlightened advice as possible before comiting myself. At home I have two, sometimes three or four computers on a peer to peer LAN through a four port router. The router has a WAN connection to which I asume the modem is connected Now the service I am contemplating provides a fixed ISP address. They also supply, at extra cost, either a single port or a four port modem router. (Netcom NB1300S) If I get the four port router-modem, should I give the existing one the flick or keep it And if I keep it is the single port router- modem the way to go. Does using the two router configuration un-necessarialy complicate the setup. If I recall corectly from my Bigpond installation experience, the modem needs to be set up with the account number, user_ID and password. Also the fixed IP address will have to be loaded somewhere The ISP's DNS news server and mail send and receive also need setting up. What changes need to be made to TCP/IP, and what about DHCP and all the other networking accronyms. So what I'm after is recomendations and advice. It would be nice to have it so that when my grand-daughter is visiting, she can be connected to the internet from her computer via the LAN, rather than kicking me off mine. Thanks in advance. PS Rob, I solved my updating problem by a new complete install of eCS. But the downloader still doesn't work with Smart Cache running and the proxy server tick box ticked. PPS It seems that Longhorn is becoming more of a Shorthorn as they discard features to try and meet delivery dates. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:53:33 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Win XP reqs Ed Durrant wrote: >Following up on my problems in adding an XP partition to my >OS/2 box to test hardware ... > >I think I have found why WinXP wont install high up on a >drive, where OS/2 and eCS will - from > >http://www.star-tools dot com/partitionstar/english/manual/bid.html > >Windows 2000, XP: > > FAT 16, partition smaller than 4 GB and ends below 8 GB: >Type "06" > FAT 16, partition smaller than 4 GB and ends below 8 GB: >Type "0E" > FAT 32, partition smaller than 32 GB and ends below 8 >GB: Type "0B" > FAT 32, partition smaller than 32 GB and ends below 8 >GB: Type "0C" > NTFS, begins below cylinder 1024: Type "07" > >So it looks like an XP boot partition MUST start below >cylinder 1024. > >What's also interesting in this table are the FAT32 >partitions that can be up to 32GB in size but must end below >8 GB - how's that possible ?? > >Cheers/2 > Hi Ed, *TYPOS*!!! Note following on that same page: *OS/2: * FAT 16, partition smaller than 2 GB and ends below 8 GB: Type "06" HPFS, partition smaller than 2 GB and ends below 8 GB: Type "07" What's with the *smaller* than 2GB HPFS partitions??? Utter balderdash! All of theTYPE 0C/0E should be saying above/through 8GB [straddling/entirely above cyl 1024], as that's why M$ implemented them. you can see how slack the information is when you note that they are quoting "2 *MB*" in following not "2 *GB*": *MS DOS: * FAT 12, partition smaller than 32 MB and ends below 8 GB: Type "01" FAT 16, partition smaller than 504 MB and ends below 8 GB: Type "04" FAT 16, partition smaller than _2_MB_ and ends below 8 GB: Type "06" Looks like they just *badly* edited the information - e.g. copying the WIN NT NTFS information re cylinder 1024 to the 2000/XP section verbatim. The LINUX information re cylinder 1024 is also not current, by several years at least. As W2K/XP by default always have to *boot* from a PRIMARY partition below 8GB, they insert the ntldr+boot.ini [possibly NTDD.SYS], in the first acceptable FAT16/FAT32/NTFS primary [C:] encountered on the drive *below* cylinder 1024 [7.84GB on current 255 head drives]. The *only* way you can install them in a directly-booting FAT/FAT32/NTFS partition is to have multiple M$-primaries, and have the other primaries set as hidden at installation time, with the visible one set as installable. I have, in the past, modified one of those "boot through C:", with 99%+ of W2KP installed into a D: primary, by directly editing the registry [for about 4 hours! - it's nerve-wracking!] to change *every* single reference to point to the D: drive as %systemroot%, and moving the boot.ini+ntldr to the root of the D: drive. I was using System Commander to boot all operating systems, which makes it simple to allocate boot drive-letters/selectively hide Primary partitions/limit # of physical drives visible. Used in conjunction with Partition Magic one can selectively hide logical drives within the extended partitions, which must be left visible. I guess this standalone installatiion is because of the problems you are having with installing in SVISTA? HTH -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:04:11 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Win XP reqs Mike O'Connor wrote: > > As W2K/XP by default always have to *boot* from a PRIMARY partition > below 8GB, they insert the ntldr+boot.ini [possibly NTDD.SYS], in the > first acceptable FAT16/FAT32/NTFS primary [C:] encountered on the drive > *below* cylinder 1024 [7.84GB on current 255 head drives]. The *only* > way you can install them in a directly-booting FAT/FAT32/NTFS partition > is to have multiple M$-primaries, and have the other primaries set as > hidden at installation time, with the visible one set as installable. > > This is the conclusion I was coming to. Only problem is where to put 35GB of data while I re-create partitions to allow space for WinXP at the fromt of the drive. Don't really want to risk DFSEE yet, not on this system at least. PQmagic can't handle LVM. > > I guess this standalone installatiion is because of the problems you are > having with installing in SVISTA? > No it's actually to make sure the the MPEG encoder - Personal Video recorder card that I'm trying to get running under OS/2 actually works at all. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:09:46 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Win XP reqs Ed Durrant wrote: >So it looks like an XP boot partition MUST start below >cylinder 1024. > >What's also interesting in this table are the FAT32 >partitions that can be up to 32GB in size but must end below >8 GB - how's that possible ?? > >Cheers/2 > > Hi Ed, Forgot to mention that it's a very good idea to have an initial [small] bootable FAT16 C: with *some* flavour of DOS on it [doesn't have to be M$ specifically] and say 10MB free, so that this can be used in the installation of W2K/XP to a logical partition [but still booting through a Primary C:]. I erred in last message - I should have said the W2KP was installed to a *logical* D: on which I then used PQ PM 6 to convert to a Primary partition! HTH -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:18:32 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Win XP reqs Ed Durrant wrote: >Mike O'Connor wrote: > >>As W2K/XP by default always have to *boot* from a PRIMARY partition >>below 8GB, they insert the ntldr+boot.ini [possibly NTDD.SYS], in the >>first acceptable FAT16/FAT32/NTFS primary [C:] encountered on the drive >>*below* cylinder 1024 [7.84GB on current 255 head drives]. The *only* >>way you can install them in a directly-booting FAT/FAT32/NTFS partition >>is to have multiple M$-primaries, and have the other primaries set as >>hidden at installation time, with the visible one set as installable. >> >This is the conclusion I was coming to. Only problem is where to put 35GB of data while I re-create partitions to allow space for WinXP at the fromt of the drive. > >Don't really want to risk DFSEE yet, not on this system at least. PQmagic can't handle LVM. > See below! >>I guess this standalone installatiion is because of the problems you are >>having with installing in SVISTA? >> >No it's actually to make sure the the MPEG encoder - Personal Video recorder card that I'm trying to get running under OS/2 actually works at all. > OK! >Cheers/2 > > Hi Ed, You don't actually have to install XP ahead of that partition, just have say 4-cylinder of FAT16 Primary with DOS on it there, with XP [mainly] installed into a logical at the back end of the drive. What version of Partition Magic are you using? As long as you are careful you *can* use it on LVM systems, you just need to run LVM from the eCS CD after you have made any modifications to restore the correct LVM info that may have been overwritten in sector 63 of each affected partition. HTH -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:30:04 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Win XP reqs Mike O'Connor wrote: > Hi Ed, > You don't actually have to install XP ahead of that partition, just have > say 4-cylinder of FAT16 Primary with DOS on it there, with XP [mainly] > installed into a logical at the back end of the drive. > What version of Partition Magic are you using? As long as you are > careful you *can* use it on LVM systems, you just need to run LVM from > the eCS CD after you have made any modifications to restore the correct > LVM info that may have been overwritten in sector 63 of each affected > partition. > Thanks for the suggestion Mike, but the risk and extra work is too high. Besides that my 93 GB partition is the first of the drive, so whatever happens I'll have to either shrink it or move it, so I might as well clear sufficient space to install XP at the fromt of the drive. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:38:59 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Win XP reqs Ed Durrant wrote: >Mike O'Connor wrote: > >>Hi Ed, >>You don't actually have to install XP ahead of that partition, just have >>say 4-cylinder of FAT16 Primary with DOS on it there, with XP [mainly] >>installed into a logical at the back end of the drive. >>What version of Partition Magic are you using? As long as you are >>careful you *can* use it on LVM systems, you just need to run LVM from >>the eCS CD after you have made any modifications to restore the correct >>LVM info that may have been overwritten in sector 63 of each affected >>partition. >> >Thanks for the suggestion Mike, but the risk and extra work is too high. > >Besides that my 93 GB partition is the first of the drive, so whatever happens I'll have to either shrink it or move it, so I might as well clear sufficient space to install XP at the fromt of the drive. > >Cheers/2 > > Hi Ed, OK. FWIW which version of PQPM do you have? Would appreciate a copy of output of "lvm /query:all" from that system. TIA -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------