From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:01:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 880 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Tuesday 29 June 2004 Number 880 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : Chris_neeson 2 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut 3 Re: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : Ed Durrant 4 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Ed Durrant 5 Re: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : Kris Steenhaut 6 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut 7 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" 8 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut 9 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" 10 Re: Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut 11 java 1.x ?Re: Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" 12 SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au 13 Java plugin woes, was Re: Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" 14 Re: java 1.x ?Re: Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" 15 Re: SBT Information Systems?? : Voytek Eymont" 16 Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : Ken Laurie 17 Re: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? : John Angelico" 18 Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : John Angelico" 19 Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : Ken Laurie 20 Re: Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates : John Angelico" 21 Re: Java plugin woes, was Re: Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut 22 From the Australian Financial Review : Ed Durrant 23 Re: java 1.x ?Re: Most stable Browser ? : Kris Steenhaut 24 Re: Java plugin woes, was Re: Most stable Browser ? : Voytek Eymont" 25 Re: Flash 7a for Mozilla : Alan Duval" 26 Re: Flash 7a for Mozilla : John Angelico" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:25:17 -0400 From: Chris_neeson Subject: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? Is there a Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? ( I've been reading the threads about Flash 7a for mozilla, and now Most stable Browser, and it occurs to me that I might - MIGHT - be able to get a Flash player for Netscape 4.61 ) Regards Chris ---------- Ed emailed ------------ Hi, I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end it's operation. I'm actually seriously considering changing my default browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3. I wonder what other people's experiences have been. I haven't tried the separated out Firebird browser, is it more or less stable than the complete Mozilla package ?? Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:26:58 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Ed Durrant schreef: >Hi, > > I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM >Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of >Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a >browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to >even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end >it's operation. > > I'm actually seriously considering changing my default >browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3. > > I wonder what other people's experiences have been. > ns461 always will interfere one way or another. I guess that's why John has problems with the new Flash. So, imho you better bit the bullet and remove ns461 entirely. Mozilla runs here ultra stable since 1.4.1 (I've removed the ns461 consequently). Incidentally, os2web 2.03 is nothing more than mozilla16 in disguise. There is already a stable mozilla 1.7 GA, and that's the one I would like to recommend. Also, imho it is mandatory to have these entries in the config.sys: REM Mozzarella SET MOZ_BIN=E:\Mozzarella SET Mozilla_home=C:\Internet\Gebruikers SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers SET MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 SET LIBPATHSTRICT=T and having set the system according to these entries (according to your own directories of course). Advantage of such a setup is you don't need any entry nor in the libpath nor in the path. Prior to the install, put these entries in the config and reboot. --- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:20:52 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? Unfortunately, reading the Innotek website, it appears their Flash 5 player is only for Mozilla / IBM Web Browser, not Netscape 4.61. Cheers/2 Ed. Chris_neeson wrote: > Is there a Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? > > ( I've been reading the threads about > Flash 7a for mozilla, and now Most stable Browser, > and it occurs to me that I might - MIGHT - be able > to get a Flash player for Netscape 4.61 ) > > Regards > Chris > > ---------- Ed emailed ------------ > > Hi, > > I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM > Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of > Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a > browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to > even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end > it's operation. > > I'm actually seriously considering changing my default > browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3. > > I wonder what other people's experiences have been. I > haven't tried the separated out Firebird browser, is it more > or less stable than the complete Mozilla package ?? > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > =========================================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:24:14 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Thanks for your comments Kris. I realise that IBM WB is Moz 1.6 however comparing it to Moz1.7 which I also have installed, I find IBMWB more stable. OK on the Config statements - what happens when (as I do) I have both Moz and IBMWB installed do both reference the same directories ? (I guess so). Cheers/2 Ed. Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Ed Durrant schreef: > > >Hi, > > > > I've been impressed with the latest version of the IBM > >Web Browser (v 2.0.3), having used various versions of > >Mozilla (alpha, beta and GA), it's a relief to get back to a > >browser that doesn't hang up, hang the system, refuse to > >even attempt to display a page or has to be killed to end > >it's operation. > > > > I'm actually seriously considering changing my default > >browser from Netscape 4.61 to IWB 2.0.3. > > > > I wonder what other people's experiences have been. > > > ns461 always will interfere one way or another. I guess that's why John > has problems with the new Flash. > So, imho you better bit the bullet and remove ns461 entirely. > > Mozilla runs here ultra stable since 1.4.1 (I've removed the ns461 > consequently). Incidentally, os2web 2.03 is nothing more than mozilla16 > in disguise. There is already a stable mozilla 1.7 GA, and that's > the one I would like to recommend. > > Also, imho it is mandatory to have these entries in the config.sys: > > REM Mozzarella > > SET MOZ_BIN=E:\Mozzarella > SET Mozilla_home=C:\Internet\Gebruikers > SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers > SET MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 > SET LIBPATHSTRICT=T > > and having set the system according to these entries (according to your > own directories of course). Advantage of such a setup is you don't need > any entry nor in the libpath nor in the path. > Prior to the install, put these entries in the config and reboot. > > --- > > Groeten uit Gent, > > Kris > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:14:02 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? Ed Durrant schreef: >Unfortunately, reading the Innotek website, it appears their Flash 5 player is only >for Mozilla / IBM Web Browser, not Netscape 4.61. > > > I had it working in ns461 (when I was still on sn461). Moreover, when it was released mozilla even didn't exist yet. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:30:45 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Ed Durrant schreef: >Thanks for your comments Kris. I realise that IBM WB is Moz 1.6 however comparing it >to Moz1.7 which I also have installed, I find IBMWB more stable. > >OK on the Config statements - what happens when (as I do) I have both Moz and IBMWB >installed do both reference the same directories ? (I guess so). > > > IBMweb has the bad habit to put entries in path and libpath. If you want to use both, is is mandatory to remove these entries and reboot. Also, both ibmweb and mozilla have their own entries in the file os2.ini .. In order to have a mozilla right, you have to run once an installer file (mozilla*.exe, creates then the entries, in the same matter ibmweb does). So, check your os2.ini file with Unimaint or another editor. Once you'll have these things right, you'll be able to remember ns461 as a nightmare of the past. And mozilla 1.7 will be rock stable. http://ftp.mozilla dot org/pub/mozilla dot org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.7/contrib/mozilla-os2-1.7-installer.exe -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:13:29 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Kris Steenhaut said: > Once you'll have these things right, you'll be able to remember ns461 as > a nightmare of the past. And mozilla 1.7 will be rock stable. yes. ns461 was good, when there was nothing else around, but, just isn't standard compliant. I relaized that when an OS/2 site told me: your browser won't work here. I've used Mozilla and Phoenix/Firesomething ever since. both Mozilla and Firesomething are as solid as they come (now, if I could only work out how to make the Java plugin work...) -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 01:36:52 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Voytek Eymont schreef: >Kris Steenhaut said: > > > >>Once you'll have these things right, you'll be able to remember ns461 as >>a nightmare of the past. And mozilla 1.7 will be rock stable. >> >> > >yes. ns461 was good, when there was nothing else around, but, just isn't >standard compliant. I relaized that when an OS/2 site told me: your >browser won't work here. I've used Mozilla and Phoenix/Firesomething ever >since. > >both Mozilla and Firesomething are as solid as they come > >(now, if I could only work out how to make the Java plugin work...) > > > > The Innotek one or the IBM one? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:47:56 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Kris Steenhaut said: > The Innotek one or the IBM one? Kris, at this time, I'd like to 'activate' the 'built-in' IBM's OS/2 Java, preferably, with Firesomething, as well as, Mozzarella. someone already posted the cookbook for Innotek's, I'll try that if/after I fail this one I have: 1[roman][E:\]java -version java version "1.3.0" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0) Classic VM (build 1.3.0, J2RE 1.3.0 IBM build co130-20010925 (JIT enabled: jitc) ) 0[roman][E:\]java13 -version java version "1.3.1" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1) Classic VM (build 1.3.1, J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 (JIT enabled: jitc) ) 0[roman][E:\]jre -d JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20010426 (JIT enabled: javax ) Runtime Settings: javaHome = E:\JAVA11 runtimeLib = E:\JAVA11\dll\javai.dll version = 1.1.8 compiler = enabled: javax I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ? -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:15:10 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Most stable Browser ? Voytek Eymont schreef: >Kris Steenhaut said: > > > >>The Innotek one or the IBM one? >> >> > >Kris, > >at this time, I'd like to 'activate' the 'built-in' IBM's OS/2 Java, > > Simple comme bonjour, just copy the file npoji6.dll to the plugins directory. >preferably, with Firesomething, as well as, Mozzarella. > > > Firesomething + mozilla hasn't much of sense. Or you take mozilla, or you take firesomething + thundersomething. As mozilla 17 is the stable one, I would make it myself comfortable and keep it just by this one. >someone already posted the cookbook for Innotek's, I'll try that if/after >I fail this one > > > There is no reason to fail. >I have: > >1[roman][E:\]java -version >java version "1.3.0" >Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0) >Classic VM (build 1.3.0, J2RE 1.3.0 IBM build co130-20010925 (JIT enabled: >jitc) >) > >0[roman][E:\]java13 -version >java version "1.3.1" >Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1) >Classic VM (build 1.3.1, J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 (JIT enabled: >jitc) >) > >0[roman][E:\]jre -d > >JDK 1.1.8 IBM build o118-20010426 (JIT enabled: javax ) > >Runtime Settings: > javaHome = E:\JAVA11 > runtimeLib = E:\JAVA11\dll\javai.dll > version = 1.1.8 > compiler = enabled: javax > >I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ? > > > Indeed, and java11 as well. It is already hard enough. Don't keep different versions of teh same, don't keep outdated program trees as java11. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:22:09 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: java 1.x ?Re: Most stable Browser ? Kris Steenhaut said: >>I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ? > Indeed, and java11 as well. > > It is already hard enough. Don't keep different versions of teh same, > don't keep outdated program trees as java11. ----------------------- Kris, I was under impression some of the 'old' java was needed for the built -in java-gui config utilities ....? like tcpcfg2 ? -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:11:11 +1000 From: Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print preview. Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not wrapped. System: NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5 So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser. Regards Dennis. [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:51:32 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Java plugin woes, was Re: Most stable Browser ? Kris Steenhaut said: > Simple comme bonjour, just copy the file npoji6.dll to the plugins > directory. Kris, I've zipped up both old java trees; LIBPATH has, amonsts others: F:\JAVA131\JRE\DLL; PATH has, amongst others: F:\java131\jre\bin; CLASSPATH has: SET CLASSPATH=.\.;E:\OS2\JAVAAPPS\LVMGUI.ZIP;E:\TCPIP\java;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SRIP.JAR;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SGUIDE.ZIP;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\CSSGKEY.JAR; there are no other references to java in config I have exploded the F:\java131\ns]mzplugin.exe and, copied the dll: 0[roman][F:\java131\ns]dir *.dll The volume label in drive F is JFSData. The Volume Serial Number is 13E5:85C1. Directory of F:\java131\ns 02-07-10 7:16 279790 0 npoji6.dll to 0[roman][F:\mozilla dot org\mozilla\plugins]dir npoji6.dll The volume label in drive F is JFSData. The Volume Serial Number is 13E5:85C1. Directory of F:\mozilla dot org\mozilla\plugins 02-07-10 7:16 279790 0 npoji6.dll 1 file(s) 279790 bytes used (I've also tried to run the two CMDs, 0[roman][F:\java131\ns]insmzplg.cmd 0[roman][F:\java131\ns]clifi /a:c /b:c: /s:f:\java131\ns /r:mzfiles.rsp /r2:mz user.rsp /l1:error.log /l2:history.log -512[roman][F:\java131\ns] 0[roman][F:\java131\ns]mzcheck2.cmd 12 +++ Whatbrowser = RexxInstResolveVariables(objectid, '{JAVA131MZFiles:M ZDRV}', 0); REX0040: Error 40 running F:\java131\ns\mzcheck2.cmd, line 12: Incorrect call to routine I then restarted both the system, (and Mozilla), but, still no luck aboutplugin shows: --------------------- BM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 File name: npoji6.dll Java Plug-in 1.3.1 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper) MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.3.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.3.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;jpi-version=1.3.0_01 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;jpi-version=1.3.0_01 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-vm/java-applet OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-vm OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.2 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.1.3 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.2.2 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-applet;version=1.3 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.2 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.1.3 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.1 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.2.2 OJI Plug-in * Yes application/x-java-bean;version=1.3 OJI Plug-in * Yes ------- I have these SETS: 0[roman][F:\java131\ns]set |grep MOZ MOZ_BIN=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla MOZILLA_HOME=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla\plugins MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 andm my panorama still refuses to load, telling me I need Java plugin: http://www.sbt dot net dot au/panorama.html -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:52:43 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: java 1.x ?Re: Most stable Browser ? Voytek Eymont said: > Kris, > > I was under impression some of the 'old' java was needed for the built -in > java-gui config utilities ....? like tcpcfg2 ? seems I was wrong, tcpcfg2 still works -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:00:18 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: SBT Information Systems?? John Angelico said: > Hi all. > > Anyone know what has become of company? > > They used to be in Chippendale (Sydney, NSW) and were distributors of OS/2 > s/w including the Sundial range. still are in Chippendale still are distributors of OS/2.. > > Web site http://www.sbt dot net dot au/sbt/ still functions but is very out of > date. a little bit out of date hmmm, perhaps we should view it as shrine to OS/2 apps at their peak ... the danger is, If I remove all the old bits, there might not be much left.... > As an expanding user of spreadsheets, I am a willing buyer of Sundial s/w > licence for Mesa, and looking to support an Oz operation. -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:41:31 +1000 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates Dennis IE has always truncated the text whenever I have tried printing from it. That is with NT4, w2k and winxp. I find printing from IE basically useless for most sites. I tried the RBA site and besides the printing of the header on the first page and then printing the text on the second page, both prints worked fine. I am using Mozilla 1.7 (Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040617) regards Ken Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote: >I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page > >Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print >preview. > >Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not >wrapped. > >System: NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5 > >So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser. > >Regards > >Dennis. > >[attachments have been removed] > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:59:40 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:25:17 -0400, Chris_neeson wrote: >Is there a Flash plugin for Netscape 4.61? > >( I've been reading the threads about > Flash 7a for mozilla, and now Most stable Browser, > and it occurs to me that I might - MIGHT - be able > to get a Flash player for Netscape 4.61 ) Yes Chris. It's the same one from Innotek. The install searches your path for Netscape and Mozillas plugin directories, and can be installed in all. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... "... It works! Now, if only I could remember what I did." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:07:18 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:11:11 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote: >I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page > >Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print >preview. > >Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not >wrapped. > >System: NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5 > >So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser. Great! Thanks for the confirmation Dennis. I was starting to doubt myself and the latest Firefox browsers... I will email RBA to tell them of the problem. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:57:07 +1000 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED:- Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates John I have printing this page using both Mozilla 1.7 and Firefox 0.9. Both do exactly the same, in that I get the first page printed containing only the "Reserve Bank of Australia" and the second page is a perfect print of their information. regards Ken John Angelico wrote: >On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:11:11 +1000, Dennis.Nolan at defence.gov.au wrote: > > > >>I visited the reserve bank and printed out the printer friendly page >> >>Result the text is very large, it looks nothing like it does in the print >>preview. >> >>Print lines are too large for the page and so the lines are truncated, not >>wrapped. >> >>System: NT4 and Internet Explorer 5.5 >> >>So to me there is a problem with the page, not the browser. >> >> > >Great! Thanks for the confirmation Dennis. > >I was starting to doubt myself and the latest Firefox browsers... > >I will email RBA to tell them of the problem. > > >Best regards >John Angelico >OS/2 SIG >os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or >talldad at kepl dot com dot au >___________________ > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:09:20 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Printing from the reserve bank exchange rates On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:41:31 +1000, Ken Laurie wrote: >Dennis Hi Ken (saw you other post too) > >IE has always truncated the text whenever I have tried printing from it. >That is with NT4, w2k and winxp. I find printing from IE basically >useless for most sites. That is what NS 4.61 does. But I can shrink the page to fit at least... >I tried the RBA site and besides the printing of the header on the first >page and then printing the text on the second page, both prints worked fine. That's what Firebird 0.7 used to do. For about a month it hasn't >I am using Mozilla 1.7 (Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7) >Gecko/20040617) Hmmm...a puzzle. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... "API": Another Proprietary Interface? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:56:48 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Java plugin woes, was Re: Most stable Browser ? Voytek Eymont schreef: >Kris Steenhaut said: > > > >>Simple comme bonjour, just copy the file npoji6.dll to the plugins >>directory. >> >> > >Kris, > >I've zipped up both old java trees; > >LIBPATH has, amonsts others: > >F:\JAVA131\JRE\DLL; > > > You should have in the libpath: LIBPATH=E:\Java131\JRE\DLL;E:\java131\jre\bin That's all you need. and that's about all. If you wish to start java from command line instead of command file, you should add in the Path= statement the path to java.exe . However , imho it's not recommendable to do so. btw: in order to have the plugin worked, there is no need to have java.exe in the path. Repeat: this superfluous. >PATH has, amongst others: > >F:\java131\jre\bin; > > > See above, better to remove it. >CLASSPATH has: > >SET >CLASSPATH=.\.;E:\OS2\JAVAAPPS\LVMGUI.ZIP;E:\TCPIP\java;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SRIP.JAR;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\SGUIDE.ZIP;E:\IBMGSK\CLASSES\CSSGKEY.JAR; > >there are no other references to java in config > > > The entry classpath= is an java11 entry. java13 doesn't know it, hence doesn't use it. Nothing else uses it, only java11 uses it. On more reason to get rid of java118. >02-07-10 7:16 279790 0 npoji6.dll > >to 0[roman][F:\mozilla dot org\mozilla\plugins]dir npoji6.dll > > > Good. >I then restarted both the system, (and Mozilla), but, still no luck > >aboutplugin shows: >--------------------- >BM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.3.1 IBM build co131-20020710 > File name: npoji6.dll > Java Plug-in 1.3.1 for Netscape Navigator (DLL Helper) > > Which means the plugin is properly installed. So far, so good. >I have these SETS: > > >MOZ_BIN=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla >MOZILLA_HOME=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla > > Very bad! This means your user and data files are within the mozilla program tree. A recepee for disastre, as you now well are aware of. Keep the user files out of the program tree! Keep the plugin directory out of the program tree! Keep the bookmark files out of the program tree. In order to do so, just follow my example. >MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=F:\MOZILLA.ORG\Mozilla\plugins > > Keep it out of the program tree. >MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 > >andm my panorama still refuses to load, telling me I need Java plugin: >http://www.sbt dot net dot au/panorama.html > > > Here it is working perfect. If it does here, it will do at yours. Open the os2.ini file with (preferable) Unimaint. Look for the (rather misleading) entry: java Plug-in The application should have only one key: JAVA_HOME Value (in your situation): F:\java131\bin No other entry is requiered! Reboot, and then everything should work. Hmm, on Thursday I'm leaving for a 10 days holliday. If it shouldn't work out, can I ask to wait a bit till I am back? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 22 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:12:36 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: From the Australian Financial Review Not happy, Bill, IT users to tell Gates Australian Financial Review 28 June 2004 Rachel Lebihan Subscription only, no URL Australia's top technology managers have a blunt message for Microsoft chief Bill Gates: fix your software or risk losing big business. For all Mr Gates's promises about making Microsoft products more secure, 19 years after the first release of the Windows operating system it is still littered with holes. IT managers are becoming increasingly frustrated by the debacle, which is costing many of them hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in security measures to deal with software glitches. This is one of the main issues Mr Gates will face when he fronts businesses and media in Sydney today during a brief visit to Australia. The chief information officer of Tasmania's Aurora Energy, Reefe Brighton, said Microsoft products ran across virtually all of the company's 100 servers and 700 personal computers. But that would change if the software giant did not make its products more secure. "We might have to rethink where we're spending money if Microsoft has the same problem in 12 months as it has now," Mr Brighton said. "Particularly in the things that face the outside world, like external web servers." The Sydney-based information technology manager of hotel group Swissotel, Matthew Coutts, also said he would prefer to replace Microsoft software, particularly at the server level. Mr Coutts said the Windows Update feature that automatically downloaded software patches had "eased the workload a significant amount" since being unveiled late last year. However, it was limited to computers running Windows 2000 or later releases, so did not cover all workstations. Security was the only element of Aurora's technology budget that increased last year and it almost doubled to about $250,000, with the management of software patches and anti-virus software accounting for much of that expenditure. Mr Brighton said the biggest security headache was that virus writers now exploited software flaws so quickly that there was no time to test patches before installing them. The window of opportunity to fix software flaws has been narrowing for some time. It took almost a year for virus writers to exploit the vulnerability that the Nimda virus targeted in 2000, about six months for the SQL server vulnerability to be hit by the Slammer worm in January 2003, and the Blaster worm exploited a Microsoft flaw last August after just 26 days. Virus writers hit a new record in April when the Sasser worm exploited a known vulnerability in just 18 days. Aurora is not the only Microsoft customer struggling with the rigorous and often unworkable patching regime. Westpac's branch computer network was taken offline by the Sasser worm last month after a software flaw was left unfixed by outsourcing partner IBM Global Services. Westpac CIO Simon McNamara said there was a lot of work involved in installing patches that required rigorous testing before being deployed or else they could disrupt the network. In the week following the virus attack, Mr McNamara said Westpac was not "fixed in perpetuity" to relationships with either IBM or Microsoft. The regional IT facilitator at Det Norske Veritas, Darren Warner, said more software patches were being installed, which suggested they must be working to some extent. But one problem was how they were distributed. "The patches are becoming bigger and bigger and bigger, and the people with narrowband connections are finding that more challenging. That's definitely one big challenge that Microsoft's got," Mr Warner said. He said that the days of Microsoft dictating what software customers used were starting to change with alternatives such as open source becoming more viable. "It's probably too early at this point to say how much of a threat it will be," Mr Warner said. "I don't necessarily know that it puts too much pressure on Microsoft. At the end of the day, Microsoft can release what they want to release." Microsoft is concerned about the raft of CIOs who are having patch-management difficulties and threatening to dump its products. So much so that it recently started identifying key business clients to take part in consulting programs to help remedy patching and other risk-management issues. Microsoft Australia's security leader, Ben English, told The Australian Financial Review at the Auscert security conference last month that locally the company was looking to review all its enterprise customers' security problems and had already engaged about six customers in remediation consulting programs. Microsoft was encouraging IT professionals to go beyond patching and look at what policies and long-term strategies needed to be in place, Mr English said. Microsoft Australia kicked off a roadshow this month that will visit all six states and "try to raise the bar and general awareness of all IT security issues", Mr English said. But there are other signs of unrest among Microsoft users, which industry watchers believe will spread further this year. The German city of Munich defected from the Microsoft fold last year, and other governments have indicated they are looking at competing open-source operating systems, such as Linux. Deacons lawyer Leif Gamertsfelder said legislators and users were starting to take matters into their own hands. He pointed to the proposed Corporate Information Security Accountability Act 2003 in the US, which sought to impose greater security obligations on public companies. California also recently introduced specific legislation to lift security standards in that jurisdiction. However, Mr Gamertsfelder said last year's Marcy Hamilton class action launched against Microsoft for alleged security defects in its products was the first time that the law had focused solely on a software vendor. "This is a worrying trend that is likely to develop in the US and other jurisdictions if radical changes to the current 'patch-on-alert' security model are not made," Mr Gamertsfelder said. The managing director of technology advising firm S2 Intelligence, Bruce McCabe, said there was no question that users would dump Microsoft eventually if security was not improved. While it posed no real threat for the software giant today, "ultimately it will cost them in business if they don't address this issue," Mr McCabe said. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 23 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:17:37 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: java 1.x ?Re: Most stable Browser ? Voytek Eymont schreef: >Kris Steenhaut said: > > > > >>>I guess, I should remove the 1.3.0, for a start ? >>> >>> > > > >>Indeed, and java11 as well. >> >>It is already hard enough. Don't keep different versions of teh same, >>don't keep outdated program trees as java11. >> >> >----------------------- > > >Kris, > >I was under impression some of the 'old' java was needed for the built -in >java-gui config utilities ....? like tcpcfg2 ? > > > Certainly not for tcpcfg2, java131 does the job. IMHO you don't need java118 anymore. At least here I don't need it. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 24 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:30:43 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Java plugin woes, was Re: Most stable Browser ? Kris Steenhaut said: > > Hmm, on Thursday I'm leaving for a 10 days holliday. If it shouldn't > work out, can I ask to wait a bit till I am back? sure, have a nice holiday me too, on Friday, I'm going away for about a week meanwhile, I'll follow your steps shortly, thanks, Kris -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 25 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:56:10 +1000 (AEST) From: "Alan Duval" Subject: Re: Flash 7a for Mozilla On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote: >If anyone would like to go to >http://www.rba.gov.au/Statistics/exchange_rates.html and try >a) print the viewed page with menu, Print Preview or Ctrl-P >b) select the print-friendly version (opens a new browser window) and print >that >then I would be interested to know what browser and version actually prints >successfully, without closing down competely. > Hi John, I went to the site mentioned using Mozilla 1.4 and was able to print the page OK. Following (a) the page printed as 2 pages, the 1st with Reserve Bank of Australia; the 2nd with all the exchange rates. Following (b) the page was printed as a single page. Regards Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 26 ==========================** Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:15:30 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Flash 7a for Mozilla On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:56:10 +1000 (AEST), Alan Duval wrote: Hi Alan and thanks. >On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +1000 (AEST), John Angelico wrote: > >>If anyone would like to go to >>http://www.rba.gov.au/Statistics/exchange_rates.html and try >>a) print the viewed page with menu, Print Preview or Ctrl-P >>b) select the print-friendly version (opens a new browser window) and print >>that >>then I would be interested to know what browser and version actually prints >>successfully, without closing down competely. >> > >Hi John, > >I went to the site mentioned using Mozilla 1.4 and was able to print the page OK. Your Mozilla is a bit earlier than my Firefox but I was hoping that wouldn't be the major difference. >Following (a) the page printed as 2 pages, the 1st with Reserve Bank of Australia; the 2nd with all the >exchange rates. > >Following (b) the page was printed as a single page. Now I am not sure whether to blame the website or my browser... Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ PMTagline v1.50 - Copyright, 1996-1997, Stephen Berg and John Angelico .... Press any key - EXCEPT THAT ONE!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------