From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:01:09 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1034 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 26 January 2005 Number 1034 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Copying OS disks : Dennis Nolan 2 Re: Copying OS disks : Ed Durrant 3 Re: Copying OS disks : Mike O'Connor 4 Re: Copying OS disks : Mike O'Connor 5 Re: Copying OS disks : Ed Durrant 6 Re: Copying OS disks : Dennis Nolan 7 Fwd: [VOICENWS] Net: Update 2: Tinderbox/nightly system for Moz/2 : John Angelico" 8 Re: Copying OS disks : Mike O'Connor 9 Re: Fwd: [VOICENWS] Net: Update 2: Tinderbox/nightly system for Moz/2 : Mike O'Connor 10 Recording audio from external source : Kev 11 Re: Recording audio from external source : Paul Smedley 12 Re: Recording audio from external source : Ian Manners" 13 Re: Recording audio from external source : David Shearer **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:34:36 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Copying OS disks Hi all I just come across this pearl of information. It was the response to someone asking how to copy the HD on a failing PABX that was running on OS/2. To quote: Haven't done this since the Mrs blew Her computers hard drive up a couple of years ago but it went like this... If the failing disk is still accessible use the os2/ command xcopy to copy all files and data to a prepared partiton on the new drive that has exactly the same drive letter. For simplicitys sake let's presume your current (failing) installation is on the first partition C: and the 2nd drive has been setup with a drive D: - I had both drives as Master on seperate ide controllers You need to have working boot cd or floppies which should also contain xcopy.exe - if using boot floppies you may need another disk with some support files for xcopy, possibly nls.dll and viocalls.dll, and may spend a little time swapping disks. With both HDs connected boot from cd/floppies and when booted use this command:- xcopy c:\* d: /s/e/v/h/t/r eh Voila! That should give you an exact working copy of your Drive C: on Drive D: Power Off Remove original disk Connect the new disk to the connector used by the original disk When Booting you will notice that Drive D: has become Drive C: due to the reordering of drive letters. Hope I haven't missed anything out and that it works for you. Pete The original poster had purchased ghost script but found it terribly confusing and fiddly. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:45:48 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Copying OS disks Dennis Nolan wrote: > Hi all > I just come across this pearl of information. > It was the response to someone asking how to copy the HD on a failing > PABX that was running on OS/2. > To quote: > > Haven't done this since the Mrs blew Her computers hard drive up a > couple of years ago but it went like this... > > If the failing disk is still accessible use the os2/ command xcopy to > copy all files and data to a prepared partiton on the new drive that has > exactly the same drive letter. > > For simplicitys sake let's presume your current (failing) installation > is on the first partition C: and the 2nd drive has been setup with a > drive D: - I had both drives as Master on seperate ide controllers > > You need to have working boot cd or floppies which should also contain > xcopy.exe - if using boot floppies you may need another disk with some > support files for xcopy, possibly nls.dll and viocalls.dll, and may > spend a little time swapping disks. > > > With both HDs connected boot from cd/floppies and when booted use this > command:- > > xcopy c:\* d: /s/e/v/h/t/r > > eh Voila! > > That should give you an exact working copy of your Drive C: on Drive D: > > Power Off > > Remove original disk > > Connect the new disk to the connector used by the original disk > > When Booting you will notice that Drive D: has become Drive C: due to > the reordering of drive letters. > > Hope I haven't missed anything out and that it works for you. > > Pete > > The original poster had purchased ghost script but found it terribly > confusing and fiddly. > > Regards > > Dennis. > > Hi Dennis, YES this is a major advantage of OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for e-Business and later versions of OS/2 that the complete OS can simply be copied. Earlier versions of OS/2 - 2.x and I think v3, wouldn't let you copy open files and you'd have to use SCOPY for these. OS/2 is I believe is the ONLY Intel based Operating System that allows this. Of course the other option (for backup/storage) would be to use zip in a similar manner which would then allow you to keep a copy on a media that doesn't natively support EAs. I'd normally also include the /O (overwrite) XCOPY option however since you are copying to an empty (BUT FORMATTED) second disk this is not important, I simply always remember it as STHERO V i.e. Xcopy c:\ d:\ /S /T /H /E /R /O /V cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:46:39 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Copying OS disks Ed Durrant wrote: > Dennis Nolan wrote: > >> Hi all >> I just come across this pearl of information. >> It was the response to someone asking how to copy the HD on a failing >> PABX that was running on OS/2. >> To quote: >> >> Haven't done this since the Mrs blew Her computers hard drive up a >> couple of years ago but it went like this... >> >> If the failing disk is still accessible use the os2/ command xcopy to >> copy all files and data to a prepared partiton on the new drive that >> has exactly the same drive letter. >> >> For simplicitys sake let's presume your current (failing) >> installation is on the first partition C: and the 2nd drive has been >> setup with a drive D: - I had both drives as Master on seperate ide >> controllers >> >> You need to have working boot cd or floppies which should also >> contain xcopy.exe - if using boot floppies you may need another disk >> with some support files for xcopy, possibly nls.dll and viocalls.dll, >> and may spend a little time swapping disks. >> >> With both HDs connected boot from cd/floppies and when booted use >> this command:- >> >> xcopy c:\* d: /s/e/v/h/t/r >> >> eh Voila! >> >> That should give you an exact working copy of your Drive C: on Drive D: >> >> Power Off >> >> Remove original disk >> >> Connect the new disk to the connector used by the original disk >> >> When Booting you will notice that Drive D: has become Drive C: due to >> the reordering of drive letters. >> >> Hope I haven't missed anything out and that it works for you. >> >> Pete >> >> The original poster had purchased ghost script but found it terribly >> confusing and fiddly. >> >> Regards >> >> Dennis. > > > Hi Dennis, > > YES this is a major advantage of OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for > e-Business and later versions of OS/2 that the complete OS can simply > be copied. Earlier versions of OS/2 - 2.x and I think v3, wouldn't let > you copy open files and you'd have to use SCOPY for these. OS/2 is I > believe is the ONLY Intel based Operating System that allows this. Of > course the other option (for backup/storage) would be to use zip in a > similar manner which would then allow you to keep a copy on a media > that doesn't natively support EAs. > > I'd normally also include the /O (overwrite) XCOPY option however > since you are copying to an empty (BUT FORMATTED) second disk this is > not important, I simply always remember it as STHERO V i.e. > > Xcopy c:\ d:\ /S /T /H /E /R /O /V > > cheers/2 Hi Ed, I think you misread what Dennis was quoting - note the line "boot from cd/floppies and when booted", thus there are *no* open files on the *System* partition, and of course the same also applie[d|s] to Warp 3 as well as OS/2 V2.10, with the exception of bootable CDs! I thought that everyone using OS/2-eCS already knew that "pearl"! Personally I prefer to zip the partition [I always make the System partitions {plural} anything from 250MB (older versions) to 500MB-800MB for current], assuming adequate disk space elsewhere [another partition or via LAN], or in very rare cases actually use XCOPY with switches remembered as "/H/O/T/S/E/R/V". Normal procedure here would be to boot off [one of] the alternate System partitions, which are [almost] invariably on logical partitions[|volumes since MCP1]. Using ZIP one can exclude things like /swapper.dat/Browser caches/temp files/ etc., making the intermediate storage requirement smaller. Sometimes when there are serious [CRC problems on the actual media etc.] using DFSee it is possible to clone the entire disk elsewhere and recover the data from the target drive a lot more successfully than off the source drive, which may exhibit the defects as the drive gets warmer! If it happened to be a really old OS/2 version running on a FAT16 drive, you could also copy this to an HPFS-formatted empty partition and then run from the root of the target-drive "SYSINSTX %:" where % is the eventual drive-letter that you want that drive to boot as -- e.g. as at the time of transferring the target might be K:, but will become D: when it is a standalone drive. In this example << [K:\] SYSINSTX D: >> -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:17:39 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Copying OS disks Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > YES this is a major advantage of OS/2 Warp 4 or Warp Server for > e-Business and later versions of OS/2 that the complete OS can simply > be copied. Earlier versions of OS/2 - 2.x and I think v3, wouldn't let > you copy open files and you'd have to use SCOPY for these. OS/2 is I > believe is the ONLY Intel based Operating System that allows this. Of > course the other option (for backup/storage) would be to use zip in a > similar manner which would then allow you to keep a copy on a media > that doesn't natively support EAs. Hi All, Just another point to add to Ed's list is that under NT level [NT4/W2K/XP] of WIN, not all "files" are accessible as such - NTFS can and does have "stream" files, which are associated with actual files, but are used by the system and "intelligent" applications and *never* show up in any directory listing, and aren't backed up by most [all?] backup programs. This is one of the points that causes backups of these particular systems to fail to boot/operate properly following a restore operation. ZIP under OS/2 also saves ACLs where they are fully implemented [as in 386HPFS] ZIP -T tests the integrity of the containing archive [case-sensitive "T"] and UNZIP -t tests the integrity of the individual files inside the archive [case sensitive "t"] -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:43:47 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Copying OS disks Mike O'Connor wrote: > If it happened to be a really old OS/2 version running on a FAT16 drive, > you could also copy this to an HPFS-formatted empty partition and then > run from the root of the target-drive "SYSINSTX %:" where % is the > eventual drive-letter that you want that drive to boot as -- e.g. as at > the time of transferring the target might be K:, but will become D: when > it is a standalone drive. In this example << [K:\] SYSINSTX D: >> > I think it's fair to point out at this point that Sysinstx ONLY puts the boot files back into the partition, it *does not* enable you the change a drive image to run as a different drive letter. All references in config.sys, startup.cmd OS2.ini and OS2sys.ini plus any and all application configuration and ini files, have to be changed to represent the new drive letter. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:42:46 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Copying OS disks Hi all, just back from the Australia Day parade in Mornington. What I considered the pearl as I had never thought of doing it was the new disk as a primary partition on the other controller, and when connected to IDE controller 0 now becomes logical drive C:. Hence no need to worry about drive refrences. So simple once you have been shown. Regards Dennis. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:30:12 +1100 (AEDT) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Fwd: [VOICENWS] Net: Update 2: Tinderbox/nightly system for Moz/2 Hi all and Happy New Year if I haven't said it before! At last night's MelbPC OS/2 SIG we announced the Tinderbox appeal, and today I read the following. It's wonderful to see the enthusiastic support of OS/2ers for the Mozilla project and therefore I am forwarding this to the list to clarify the current status of the donations aspect. I know there will be a lot of overlap as many of you also subscribe to the Voicenews list, so I apologise in advance, for the benefit of those who don't. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG talldad at kepl dot com dot au ________________________ ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Delivered-To: talldad at kepl dot com dot au >Return-Path: >Received: from voice2.os2voice dot org (voice2.os2voice dot org [206.40.205.124]) > (IDENT: os2user) > by mail with esmtp; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:51:57 +1100 > id 0029EEB7.41F66B1F.0000695D >Received: from smtp16.mailnet.ptd dot net (smtp16.mailnet.ptd dot net [204.186.29.136]) > by os2voice dot org (Weasel v1.71) for ; 25 Jan 2005 10:41:31 >Received: (qmail 15771 invoked by uid 50005); 25 Jan 2005 15:41:28 -0000 >Received: from madodel at ptdprolog dot net by smtp16.mailnet.ptd dot net by uid 50002 with qmail-scanner-1.20 > (uvscan: v4.2.40/v4421. 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The primary reason for the need to purchase this system is so the team has the ability to continue professional development and testing on its own without support from IBM. A tinderbox/nightly system will provide nightly builds for testing. As the source code for these programs is rather large a very fast system is needed in order to complete compiles in reasonable times. Last Firday Mike Kaply posted the URL to a donations account he set up at Amazon dot com. Amazingly after only about 36 hours the account maxed out and started rejecting contributions. Mike wasn't aware that Amazon has monthly limits on how much can be contributed. He has now set up another account at Amazon so that contributions can continue: http://www.amazon dot com/paypage/P2JXB7S1QN392Y I have contributed and feel it is money well spent. I enjoy using the OS/2 - eCS versions of the products from the WarpZilla team and would like to not only see their efforts continue but get better. 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If you wish to comment on this post, please reply to feedback at os2voice dot org ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:58:35 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Copying OS disks Ed Durrant wrote: > Mike O'Connor wrote: > >> If it happened to be a really old OS/2 version running on a FAT16 >> drive, you could also copy this to an HPFS-formatted empty partition >> and then run from the root of the target-drive "SYSINSTX %:" where % >> is the eventual drive-letter that you want that drive to boot as -- >> e.g. as at the time of transferring the target might be K:, but will >> become D: when it is a standalone drive. In this example << [K:\] >> SYSINSTX D: >> > > > I think it's fair to point out at this point that Sysinstx ONLY puts > the boot files back into the partition, it *does not* enable you the > change a drive image to run as a different drive letter. All > references in config.sys, startup.cmd OS2.ini and OS2sys.ini plus any > and all application configuration and ini files, have to be changed to > represent the new drive letter. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. Hi Ed & all, Yes that's absolutely true, I should have indicated that it was intended as a replacement "drive-letter-clone" of the partition being salvaged, i.e. in my hypothetical situation the drive being "cloned" was also a D: boot partition, and that the target drive's "currently allocated"[K:] driveletter was not really relevant, just that its standalone value would be the same as the source-partition. Having auccessfully done a couple of drive "transformations", over a number of years, I don't recommend it unless absolutely necessary! Main problem is to get the class registrations for the WPS migrated to the new drive-letter! Having Unimaint and Object Desktop with its "Object Packages" eases the task considerably. Have a Good Holiday guys! -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:04:49 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Fwd: [VOICENWS] Net: Update 2: Tinderbox/nightly system for Moz/2 John Angelico wrote: >It's wonderful to see the enthusiastic support of OS/2ers for the Mozilla >project and therefore I am forwarding this to the list to clarify the >current status of the donations aspect. > > >Last Firday Mike Kaply posted the URL to a donations account he set up atAmazon dot com. Amazingly after only about 36 hours the account maxed out and >started rejecting contributions. Mike wasn't aware that Amazon has >monthly limits on how much can be contributed. He has now set up another >account at Amazon so that contributions can continue: > >http://www.amazon dot com/paypage/P2JXB7S1QN392Y > >I have contributed and feel it is money well spent. I enjoy using the >OS/2 - eCS versions of the products from the WarpZilla team and would like >to not only see their efforts continue but get better. Amazon dot com takes >contributions of as little as $1 USD so please contribute if you can. > >Regards, > >Nick > Hi John, It's great to see such a good response to Mike Kaply's plight with development hardware. The second pay-page closed out too! -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [ISP blocks *.exe, *.cmd, * dot com, *.bat, *.reg attachments] [Please use zipped versions of above] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:17:40 +0800 From: Kev Subject: Recording audio from external source Hi all you eCS gurus. This in fact the first time in 10 yrs of OS/2 that I've wanted to record music from an external source, so that I can put my old records onto CD. Can someone perhaps tell me briefly how to do that in eCS 1.2. I've read the on-line help and it says (amongst other things) ... "Use the Digital audio program in the Multimedia folder to play, record, and edit digital audio files." However, the Digital Audio program only opens up a "pick list" for me to choose a file to play. If I right click on the Digital Audio object and go to OPEN AS the only choice is PROGRAM, which opens up the same "pick list". I have my turntable set up and working through my stereo hi-fi amplifier. I then have Tape 2 Line Out connected to Line In on my sound card and Tape 2 Line In connected to Line Out on my sound card. Of course that's irrelevant at the mo coz I don't seem to have the application to record. CDs play properly back through my stereo hi-fi system, as do any sounds generated in my computer. I have an AudioExcel AV512 6 channel C-Media 8738 based PCI card, which installs and works perfectly well for all my multimedia needs up until now. Any reasonable suggestion would be appreciated. Thanx Kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:36 +1030 From: Paul Smedley Subject: Re: Recording audio from external source Hi Kev, Kev wrote: > Hi all you eCS gurus. This in fact the first time in 10 yrs of OS/2 > that I've wanted to record music from an external source, so that I can > put my old records onto CD. Can someone perhaps tell me briefly how to > do that in eCS 1.2. I've read the on-line help and it says (amongst > other things) ... > > "Use the Digital audio program in the Multimedia folder to play, > record, and edit digital audio files." > > However, the Digital Audio program only opens up a "pick list" for me to > choose a file to play. If I right click on the Digital Audio object and > go to OPEN AS the only choice is PROGRAM, which opens up the same "pick > list". I've heard good things about dtape - available from http://home.clara dot net/orac/os2.htm#dtape - the default OS/2 audio recorder sucks:P Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:08:39 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Recording audio from external source Hi Kev I agree with Paul :-) I use DTape at work on an OS/2 laptop to record consultants calls for training and "Ethics Training". On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:36 +1030, Paul Smedley wrote: > Hi Kev, > > Kev wrote: > > Hi all you eCS gurus. This in fact the first time in 10 yrs of OS/2 > > that I've wanted to record music from an external source, so that I can > > put my old records onto CD. Can someone perhaps tell me briefly how to > > do that in eCS 1.2. I've read the on-line help and it says (amongst > > other things) ... > > > > "Use the Digital audio program in the Multimedia folder to play, > > record, and edit digital audio files." > > > > However, the Digital Audio program only opens up a "pick list" for me to > > choose a file to play. If I right click on the Digital Audio object and > > go to OPEN AS the only choice is PROGRAM, which opens up the same "pick > > list". > I've heard good things about dtape - available from > http://home.clara dot net/orac/os2.htm#dtape - the default OS/2 audio > recorder sucks:P > > Cheers, > > Paul. > Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ There is a tooth fairy. Santa Claus is real. Microsoft is not a monopoly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:32:50 +0000 From: David Shearer Subject: Re: Recording audio from external source Kev wrote: > Hi all you eCS gurus. This in fact the first time in 10 yrs of OS/2 > that I've wanted to record music from an external source, so that I > can put my old records onto CD. Can someone perhaps tell me briefly > how to do that in eCS 1.2. I've read the on-line help and it says > (amongst other things) ... > > "Use the Digital audio program in the Multimedia folder to play, > record, and edit digital audio files." > > However, the Digital Audio program only opens up a "pick list" for me > to choose a file to play. If I right click on the Digital Audio > object and go to OPEN AS the only choice is PROGRAM, which opens up > the same "pick list". > > I have my turntable set up and working through my stereo hi-fi > amplifier. I then have Tape 2 Line Out connected to Line In on my > sound card and Tape 2 Line In connected to Line Out on my sound card. > Of course that's irrelevant at the mo coz I don't seem to have the > application to record. CDs play properly back through my stereo hi-fi > system, as do any sounds generated in my computer. > > I have an AudioExcel AV512 6 channel C-Media 8738 based PCI card, > which installs and works perfectly well for all my multimedia needs up > until now. > > Any reasonable suggestion would be appreciated. > > Thanx > Kev > > > I did what you are describing last year with ecs 1.1 and I was using a Sound Blaster 16 at the time. I just used the standard digital audio app - you have to select "new" when you double click the digital audio object and set the options in the digital app to 16 bit audio - as cd audio uses 16 bit or 44khz format. You need to test your sound input level - once you have done that it is a matter of sitting down and manually selecting each track and recording it etc. I used the lineout from my amp and connected it to the line in of the sound card. Send me a direct email and I may be able to help if you need further assistance. PS I just tried the above under ecs 1.2 and selecting "new" on its own doesn't do anythink - even if you type in a name of the new track it doesn't take you into the editor. Sounds like somethin has been disabled or changed in ecs 1.2 which makes it impossible to record new wav files - even using the template??? Perhaps a standalone option eg dtape woudl suffice? Regards David Shearer ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------