From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:01:08 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1045 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 09 February 2005 Number 1045 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: ADSL setup : Bruce 2 Re: I'm in real strife now! : Chris_neeson 3 Re: Interesting note from [VOICENWS] list : Chris_neeson 4 Re: I'm in real strife now! : Kev 5 Network cards : Alan Duval" 6 Re: Network cards : Kev 7 Re: Network cards : Ken Laurie 8 Re: Network cards : Kev 9 Writing DVD's : Ken Laurie 10 Re: Writing DVD's : Ed Durrant 11 Re: Writing DVD's : Ken Laurie 12 Re: Writing DVD's : Ed Durrant 13 Re: Network cards : Voytek Eymont" 14 Re: I'm in real strife now! : Voytek Eymont" 15 Re: I'm in real strife now! : Voytek Eymont" 16 Re: Network cards : Kris Steenhaut 17 Re: Network cards : Kris Steenhaut 18 Re: I'm in real strife now! : Kev **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:52:55 +0800 From: Bruce Subject: Re: ADSL setup I agree. FWIW, I use a Billion 5100w has four ethernet ports and although no firewall built in, it does a splendid job. I have the DMZ to pass _all_ to the WSEB box .. BTW, I have 9 computers [via a 8 port HUB] on a small home WAN.. Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > > Ed Durrant schreef: > >> alternatively change to a contract where you supply your own modem >> and then go and buy a second hand ethernet connectable one off eBAY. >> > Why not just spend a few pennies more for a router-adsl device? > Believe me, all other solutions are counter productive. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:12:39 -0500 From: Chris_neeson Subject: Re: I'm in real strife now! Thanks Voytek. I thought somebody else reported that Linux corrupted ( eliminated? ) their OS2 JFS? Anyway, the implication of what you're saying, and Ke'v experience is that * Linux can read OS2 JFS ( well, at least one combination of Linux version and JFS-version software can do it ) * eCS can't read ( can't even boot ) with at least one version of the Linux JFS filesystem implemented. mmmmm Regards Chris. ------------ Voytek replied --------------------- it's probably irrelevant to the current problem, but: when I installed RH on an OS/2 system with JFS, and, told Linux to 'use all existing Linux partition' (or whatever that options is called), Linux wiped out my OS/2 JFS volume, I guess it considered JFS a Linux partition.... I wasn't , how to say it, very thrilled at that time after I was resuscitated I luckily recalled that the 3 GB of OS/2 JFS data originally came from my TP770 hd, and, was only xcopied maybe few weeks ago (and, luckilly, I've then finally removed the TP770 HD) anyhow, so, in my ltd xprce, Linux install can wipe out OS/2 JFS for those who do not read prompts..... but, when I installed Linux on my old OS/2 server, Linux appeared to be able to access OS/2 JFS volume OK. Chris_neeson said: > Kev disconnected his Luinux disk, trying to get OS2 > working after installing Linux with JFS > > I think it's possible that OS2 is detecting that the > filesystem on the Linux drive is JFS, but not that > it's a Linux JFS ( someone else on this list recently > reported that Linux JFS & OS/2 JFS were different > creatures. -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:47:13 -0500 From: Chris_neeson Subject: Re: Interesting note from [VOICENWS] list Mike replied with a slight correction. Thanks, Mike And memory leakage has been a constant 'feature' of MS Operating 'systems'. Regards Chris. -------- Mike replied ----------- Hi Chris, [Actually from OS/2 V2.10 ;-) ] WINOS2 ran any WIN3.1x application much more stably than WIN3.1x, and I never saw the memory leakage that native WIN 3.10/WFWG 3.11 suffered from so badly! :-) -- Regards, Mike Chris_neeson wrote: >OS/2 had security features Win 3.x & 95 couldn't even dream of, >a solid OS design, genuine multitasking, a genuine 32bit growth path, >and by v2.2 the ability to emulate Win 3.x. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:12:31 +0800 From: Kev Subject: Re: I'm in real strife now! Hi Chris Chris_neeson wrote: > Thanks Voytek. > * Linux can read OS2 JFS > ( well, at least one combination of Linux version > and JFS-version software can do it ) There is a parameter you can add to the "FORMAT ... " command to make the 2 compatible, however I've forgotten what it is. > * eCS can't read ( can't even boot ) with at least > one version of the Linux JFS filesystem implemented. This is not necessarily a valid conclusion to draw. The fact is I have no idea at all what part of the Ubuntu install made OS/2 fail to boot. The really crazy thing is that I couldn't even boot OS/2 from a CD or floppy, and bear in mind that none of my OS/2 boot oartitions are JFS. The Ubuntu install didn't in any way "corrupt" any of my HPFS, FAT32, FAT16, NTFS, or JFS partitions - it simply set something so that OS/2 wouldn't boot. When I simply unplugged the the physical drive (primary slave) with Linux on it, eCS booted with no problems or errors. Also, I have had many distros of Linux on that drive, and this is the first time I've encountered this problem. Yesterday I bought a couple of HDD caddies ($17.60 each) so that I can easilly remove/swap drives while I experiment. Cheers Kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:28:40 +1100 (AEDT) From: "Alan Duval" Subject: Network cards Hi, Do all network cards need drivers? If so, what network card has a driver for eCS? Regards Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:09:45 +0800 From: Kev Subject: Re: Network cards Hi Alan Alan Duval wrote: > Do all network cards need drivers? yes > If so, what network card has a driver for eCS? Many, but anything based on the Realtek 8139 chip (RTL8139 I think it is) will work-a-treat, straight out of the box. Don't pay for brand names. I get some skinny little brandless ones for $10.00 each and haven't had a failure in the 4 years of using them. They auto-configure correctly in any OS and will run at the full speed which your network can cope with. Have fun Kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:11:53 +1100 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: Network cards Hi Alan Yes they do need a driver. The best place to look for drivers is Chuck McKinnis' web site. This link is via the OS/2 hardware list http://www.os2warp.be/index2.php?name=nicpak regards Ken Alan Duval wrote: >Hi, > >Do all network cards need drivers? >If so, what network card has a driver for eCS? > >Regards > >Alan Duval > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:14:05 +0800 From: Kev Subject: Re: Network cards Kev wrote: > and will run at the full speed which your network > can cope with. Actually I'd better qualify that. They're 10/100 cards, but I've had difficulty in the past getting other cards to run at 100, where-as these run full speed. Kev ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:30:17 +1100 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Writing DVD's Hi all Not sure now whether it was in this group or not, somebody was talking about writing DVD's with OS/2. I have developed a simply process I find works well. I use Chris Wohlmemuth's CD creator and modify the mkisof's options to include the parameter -split-output so that the output is multiple files, when joined together they make the iso. I find using CD creator I can check the size of the iso easily and it simple to drag and drop the directories I want written to DVD. This is only a data DVD. I then use a bat file to run dvddao to burn the iso to DVD. All my batch file contains is dvddao -s 2 -d 0,1,0 -b 8 j:\cds\image.raw_00 j:\cds\image.raw_01 j:\cds\image.raw_02 j:\cds\image.raw_03 j:\cds\image.raw_04 This works well for me and I don't have to be concerned with all the parameters for mkisofs or bother calculating the size of the resulting DVD. regards Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:45:26 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Writing DVD's Ken Laurie wrote: > Hi all > > Not sure now whether it was in this group or not, somebody was talking > about writing DVD's with OS/2. I have developed a simply process I find > works well. > > I use Chris Wohlmemuth's CD creator and modify the mkisof's options to > include the parameter -split-output so that the output is multiple > files, when joined together they make the iso. I find using CD creator I > can check the size of the iso easily and it simple to drag and drop the > directories I want written to DVD. This is only a data DVD. > > I then use a bat file to run dvddao to burn the iso to DVD. All my batch > file contains is > dvddao -s 2 -d 0,1,0 -b 8 j:\cds\image.raw_00 j:\cds\image.raw_01 > j:\cds\image.raw_02 j:\cds\image.raw_03 j:\cds\image.raw_04 > > This works well for me and I don't have to be concerned with all the > parameters for mkisofs or bother calculating the size of the resulting DVD. > > regards > Ken > Hi Ken, Thats how I used to do it until I realised MKISOFS can create full size 4.7GB DVD images straight off. The only condition is that you need to be running this on a partition with a filesystem that can support files > 2GB in size - e.g. JFS. here are some command files (note mkisofs wraps to the next line in this email but not in the cmd file) - first of all to create the file: I: CD\ IF EXIST ED-DATA.ISO THEN ERASE ED-DATA.ISO F: cd\os2util\cdrecord\cdrtools mkisofs2.exe -l -o I:\ED-DVD.ISO -v -log-file i:\burn.log I:\ED-DVD-IMAGE I: PAUSE :EINDE and now to write the data DVD: IF NOT EXIST I:\ED-dvd.iso GOTO NOPARAM f: cd\os2util\cdrecord\dvddao dvddao.exe -d 0,1,0 --priority 3,31 -v 3 I:\ed-dvd.iso I: PAUSE GOTO EINDE :NOPARAM echo Required ISO file missing !! Have you run MAKEdataDVD Yet ?? PAUSE :EINDE And to make a video-DVD image (the data to be written is in the correct directory structure under i:\ED-VIDEO-IMAGE I: CD\ IF EXIST ED-VIDEO.ISO THEN ERASE ED-VIDEO.ISO F: cd\os2util\cdrecord\cdrtools mkisofs2.exe -dvd-video -o I:\ED-VIDEO.ISO -v -log-file i:\burn.log I:\ED-VIDEO-IMAGE I: PAUSE :EINDE And to write it: IF NOT EXIST I:\ED-Video.iso GOTO NOPARAM f: cd\os2util\cdrecord\dvddao dvddao.exe -d 0,1,0 --priority 3,31 -v 3 I:\ed-video.iso I: PAUSE GOTO EINDE :NOPARAM echo Required ISO file missing !! Have you run MAKEVIDEODVD Yet ?? PAUSE :EINDE Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:04:32 +1100 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: Writing DVD's Hi Ed Thanks. The mkisofs that came with CD creator or least the one I have seems to not be able to create large files. I will try using your code. regards Ken Ed Durrant wrote: > Ken Laurie wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Not sure now whether it was in this group or not, somebody was >> talking about writing DVD's with OS/2. I have developed a simply >> process I find works well. >> >> I use Chris Wohlmemuth's CD creator and modify the mkisof's options >> to include the parameter -split-output so that the output is multiple >> files, when joined together they make the iso. I find using CD >> creator I can check the size of the iso easily and it simple to drag >> and drop the directories I want written to DVD. This is only a data DVD. >> >> I then use a bat file to run dvddao to burn the iso to DVD. All my >> batch file contains is >> dvddao -s 2 -d 0,1,0 -b 8 j:\cds\image.raw_00 j:\cds\image.raw_01 >> j:\cds\image.raw_02 j:\cds\image.raw_03 j:\cds\image.raw_04 >> >> This works well for me and I don't have to be concerned with all the >> parameters for mkisofs or bother calculating the size of the >> resulting DVD. >> >> regards >> Ken >> > Hi Ken, > > Thats how I used to do it until I realised MKISOFS can create full > size 4.7GB DVD images straight off. The only condition is that you > need to be running this on a partition with a filesystem that can > support files > 2GB in size - e.g. JFS. > > here are some command files (note mkisofs wraps to the next line in > this email but not in the cmd file) > > - first of all to create the file: > > I: > CD\ > IF EXIST ED-DATA.ISO THEN ERASE ED-DATA.ISO > F: > cd\os2util\cdrecord\cdrtools > mkisofs2.exe -l -o I:\ED-DVD.ISO -v -log-file i:\burn.log I:\ED-DVD-IMAGE > I: > PAUSE > :EINDE > > and now to write the data DVD: > > IF NOT EXIST I:\ED-dvd.iso GOTO NOPARAM > f: > cd\os2util\cdrecord\dvddao > dvddao.exe -d 0,1,0 --priority 3,31 -v 3 I:\ed-dvd.iso > I: > PAUSE > GOTO EINDE > :NOPARAM > echo Required ISO file missing !! Have you run MAKEdataDVD Yet ?? > PAUSE > :EINDE > > And to make a video-DVD image (the data to be written is in the > correct directory structure under i:\ED-VIDEO-IMAGE > > I: > CD\ > IF EXIST ED-VIDEO.ISO THEN ERASE ED-VIDEO.ISO > F: > cd\os2util\cdrecord\cdrtools > mkisofs2.exe -dvd-video -o I:\ED-VIDEO.ISO -v -log-file i:\burn.log > I:\ED-VIDEO-IMAGE > I: > PAUSE > :EINDE > > And to write it: > > IF NOT EXIST I:\ED-Video.iso GOTO NOPARAM > f: > cd\os2util\cdrecord\dvddao > dvddao.exe -d 0,1,0 --priority 3,31 -v 3 I:\ed-video.iso > I: > PAUSE > GOTO EINDE > :NOPARAM > echo Required ISO file missing !! Have you run MAKEVIDEODVD Yet ?? > PAUSE > :EINDE > > > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:22:07 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Writing DVD's I'm pretty sure the latest version of MKISOFS is on Hobbes. VERY important to run everything from a JFS formatted partition. Cheers/2 Ed. Ken Laurie wrote: > Hi Ed > > Thanks. The mkisofs that came with CD creator or least the one I have > seems to not be able to create large files. > > I will try using your code. > > regards > Ken > > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> Ken Laurie wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Not sure now whether it was in this group or not, somebody was >>> talking about writing DVD's with OS/2. I have developed a simply >>> process I find works well. >>> >>> I use Chris Wohlmemuth's CD creator and modify the mkisof's options >>> to include the parameter -split-output so that the output is multiple >>> files, when joined together they make the iso. I find using CD >>> creator I can check the size of the iso easily and it simple to drag >>> and drop the directories I want written to DVD. This is only a data DVD. >>> >>> I then use a bat file to run dvddao to burn the iso to DVD. All my >>> batch file contains is >>> dvddao -s 2 -d 0,1,0 -b 8 j:\cds\image.raw_00 j:\cds\image.raw_01 >>> j:\cds\image.raw_02 j:\cds\image.raw_03 j:\cds\image.raw_04 >>> >>> This works well for me and I don't have to be concerned with all the >>> parameters for mkisofs or bother calculating the size of the >>> resulting DVD. >>> >>> regards >>> Ken >>> >> Hi Ken, >> >> Thats how I used to do it until I realised MKISOFS can create full >> size 4.7GB DVD images straight off. The only condition is that you >> need to be running this on a partition with a filesystem that can >> support files > 2GB in size - e.g. JFS. >> >> here are some command files (note mkisofs wraps to the next line in >> this email but not in the cmd file) >> >> - first of all to create the file: >> >> I: >> CD\ >> IF EXIST ED-DATA.ISO THEN ERASE ED-DATA.ISO >> F: >> cd\os2util\cdrecord\cdrtools >> mkisofs2.exe -l -o I:\ED-DVD.ISO -v -log-file i:\burn.log I:\ED-DVD-IMAGE >> I: >> PAUSE >> :EINDE >> >> and now to write the data DVD: >> >> IF NOT EXIST I:\ED-dvd.iso GOTO NOPARAM >> f: >> cd\os2util\cdrecord\dvddao >> dvddao.exe -d 0,1,0 --priority 3,31 -v 3 I:\ed-dvd.iso >> I: >> PAUSE >> GOTO EINDE >> :NOPARAM >> echo Required ISO file missing !! Have you run MAKEdataDVD Yet ?? >> PAUSE >> :EINDE >> >> And to make a video-DVD image (the data to be written is in the >> correct directory structure under i:\ED-VIDEO-IMAGE >> >> I: >> CD\ >> IF EXIST ED-VIDEO.ISO THEN ERASE ED-VIDEO.ISO >> F: >> cd\os2util\cdrecord\cdrtools >> mkisofs2.exe -dvd-video -o I:\ED-VIDEO.ISO -v -log-file i:\burn.log >> I:\ED-VIDEO-IMAGE >> I: >> PAUSE >> :EINDE >> >> And to write it: >> >> IF NOT EXIST I:\ED-Video.iso GOTO NOPARAM >> f: >> cd\os2util\cdrecord\dvddao >> dvddao.exe -d 0,1,0 --priority 3,31 -v 3 I:\ed-video.iso >> I: >> PAUSE >> GOTO EINDE >> :NOPARAM >> echo Required ISO file missing !! Have you run MAKEVIDEODVD Yet ?? >> PAUSE >> :EINDE >> >> >> >> Cheers/2 >> >> Ed. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:46:33 +1100 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Network cards > Alan Duval wrote: >>Do all network cards need drivers? no. only need driver if you want to send any data through the card, otherwise, no need ;>) >>If so, what network card has a driver for eCS? I'd imagine most reasonable brand would -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:56:38 +1100 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: I'm in real strife now! Kev said: > Hi Chris > Chris_neeson wrote: > This is not necessarily a valid conclusion to draw. The fact is I have > no idea at all what part of the Ubuntu install made OS/2 fail to boot. > The really crazy thing is that I couldn't even boot OS/2 from a CD or > floppy, and bear in mind that none of my OS/2 boot oartitions are JFS. > The Ubuntu install didn't in any way "corrupt" any of my HPFS, FAT32, > FAT16, NTFS, or JFS partitions - it simply set something so that OS/2 > wouldn't boot. When I simply unplugged the the physical drive (primary > slave) with Linux on it, eCS booted with no problems or errors. Also, I > have had many distros of Linux on that drive, and this is the first time > I've encountered this problem. I recently had strange prob., following reinstallation of windoze 98, I re-enabled BM, BM came up, OS/2 boot hanged. hmmm... hmmm... hm??? tried booting windoze, hanged. tried booting OS/2 from CD, hanged.. hm??? whilst I was having cup of tea to settle the nerves, I figured it out: sip- there is no way windoze install can stop OS/2 boot sip- " " " " " " " " " .... by the time I was almost finished, I figured perhaps I should power off, and, bingo, OS/2 booted, as did windoze I guess it was a NIC in altered state.... but, at one point , I was quite panicking, not being able to access my hd, not even from CD boot. -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:03:28 +1100 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: I'm in real strife now! Chris_neeson said: > Thanks Voytek. > > I thought somebody else reported that Linux > corrupted ( eliminated? ) their OS2 JFS? in my ltd exprce it seemed to work, though, shortly therefater, I attempted to install FreeBSD, then, attempted to mount my JFS/2 HD volume and, now it's stuffed. me thinks me stuffed it withe FreeBSD and, not RTFM b4... unfortunately, I just do not have time/desire/equipment to cross test it back in OS/2. maybe I'll take the HD to work (where I have time/equipment) and test it some more in what I was trying to do, setup Linux on my old server, and, access data from old server, it didn't really matter, like, if it works, good, if not, reformat, restore from cd, works it's all too hard, and, my forgetter is getting better -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:12:09 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Network cards Alan Duval schreef: >Hi, > >Do all network cards need drivers? > > Yep. >If so, what network card has a driver for eCS? > > Everything having a driver for os2 is listed in the file nicdrv.lst. The file is a part of nicpak.zip, which is coing to you by private mail. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:15:23 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Network cards Voytek Eymont schreef: >>Alan Duval wrote: >> >> > > > >>>Do all network cards need drivers? >>> >>> > >no. >only need driver if you want to send any data through the card, >otherwise, no need > > > To mock with people in despair isn't very courteous, wouldn't you say so too? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:26:38 +0800 From: Kev Subject: Re: I'm in real strife now! Voytek Eymont wrote: > I recently had strange prob., following reinstallation of windoze 98, I > re-enabled BM, BM came up, OS/2 boot hanged. hmmm... hmmm... hm??? > tried booting windoze, hanged. tried booting OS/2 from CD, hanged.. hm??? > > whilst I was having cup of tea to settle the nerves, I figured it out: > sip- there is no way windoze install can stop OS/2 boot > sip- " " " " " " " " " > ... > > by the time I was almost finished, I figured perhaps I should power off, > and, bingo, OS/2 booted, as did windoze > I guess it was a NIC in altered state.... I did try this, but to no avail. After I unplugged the HDD and had success, I re-plugged the HDD and it failed again. It was definitely something on that slave drive which caused me the grief. Any'ow, I used Qparted to delete all the partitions (remember I couldn't get into eCS to use LVM) and it worked again, straight away. Kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------