From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:03:13 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1194 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Tuesday 20 September 2005 Number 1194 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Email Problem : Kris Steenhaut 2 Re: Email Problem : Voytek Eymont" 3 Re: Email Problem : Kris Steenhaut 4 Re: Email Problem : Paul Smedley" 5 Re: Email Problem : Voytek Eymont" 6 Re: Email Problem : Ian Manners" 7 Re: Email Problem : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 8 Re: Email Problem : Voytek Eymont" 9 Re: Email Problem : nickl at pacific dot net dot au 10 Re: Test email : Tom Perrett" 11 Missing email : Alan Duval 12 Re: Email Problem : Ed Durrant 13 Re: Test email : Ian Manners" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:32:51 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Email Problem Alan Duval schreef: > Hi, > > I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether > this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it. > If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that > effect so that I can take it up I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced. Then there is no point in sending you private mails again, isn't it? > -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/warpstock-europe-2005-dresden.jpg http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/zum_weberplatz.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:23:18 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Email Problem On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced. for what reason ? -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:08:39 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Email Problem Voytek Eymont schreef: >On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote: > > > >>I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced. >> >> > >for what reason ? > > > > No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/warpstock-europe-2005-dresden.jpg http://www.taartenbakkerij dot com/bestanden/zum_weberplatz.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:50:22 +0930 From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: Email Problem Hi kris, On 19/9/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" wrote: >Voytek Eymont schreef: > >>On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote: >> >>>I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced. >>> >>for what reason ? >> >No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant. Ed is with Telstra Bigpond - they have a habit of deciding mail is spam and it being rejected. Ironic considering Bigpond is one of the worst offenders in terms of sending spam in Australia. Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:42:21 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Email Problem On Tue, September 20, 2005 9:20 am, Paul Smedley wrote: > Hi kris, > On 19/9/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" wrote: >> Voytek Eymont schreef: >>> On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced. >>> for what reason ? >>> >> No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant. > Ed is with Telstra Bigpond - they have a habit of deciding mail is spam > and it being rejected. Ironic considering Bigpond is one of the worst > offenders in terms of sending spam in Australia. well, I also have the a habit of deciding mail is spam, and, rejecting/deleting, but, it's all based on a reason, there is probably 20 or so reasons that I'll declare mail undesirable, and reject/delete. and, there a variety of quite valid reasons for rejecting valid emails, sometimes, it's up to the sender to make sure his end is OK, or, his emails will be bounced we deny emails from not fully qualified hosts, no mx records, systems listed on variety of lists, etc. In most cases, such denial is the fault of sender. so 'what reason ?' is the 1st question -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:14 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Email Problem From Alan Duval :- > I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether > this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it. > If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that effect > so that I can take it up with my ISP. FYI logs indicate that tpg are accepting and taking the emails ok, and Alan isnt responding from two other email accounts at other ISP's so looks lile tpg is losing his email, or he is. In a seperate email he sent me what he's not receiving my response to either, it appears he is receiving emails from some people ok, but not from other people, like me. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:02:41 +1000 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: Email Problem On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:14 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: > From Alan Duval :- > > > I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether > > this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it. > > If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that effect > > so that I can take it up with my ISP. > > FYI > > logs indicate that tpg are accepting and taking the emails ok, and Alan > isnt responding from two other email accounts at other ISP's so looks > lile tpg is losing his email, or he is. In a seperate email he sent me what > he's not receiving my response to either, it appears he is receiving emails > from some people ok, but not from other people, like me. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ Hi Ian, Well I am experiencing delays, but ONLY in emails from THIS list. It could be OptusNet (in my case) but I don't have the same problem from anyone else. Or if I have I have, I have never noticed it. This particular thread was for example, very hard to follow. From My perspective YOU were replying to Alan but Alan's email replies were not being delivered to ME for some time later. If this problem is within my ISP (OptusNet) then I am at a loss as to why it does not seem to occur with other email lists. HTH, Regards, Robert Traynor (BobT). 20 September 2005 11:00 ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:29:08 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Email Problem On Tue, September 20, 2005 11:02 am, Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: > On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:43:14 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: > >> From Alan Duval :- > Well I am experiencing delays, but ONLY in emails from THIS list. > It could be OptusNet (in my case) but I don't have the same problem from > anyone else. Or if I have I have, I have never noticed it. > > This particular thread was for example, very hard to follow. From My > perspective YOU were replying to Alan but Alan's email replies were not > being delivered to ME for some time later. > > If this problem is within my ISP (OptusNet) then I am at a loss as to why > it does not seem to occur with other email lists. look at the envelope and the postage stamps; read the mail headers, that's where the anwser lies -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:54:16 +0900 From: nickl at pacific dot net dot au Subject: Re: Email Problem Hi All. FWIW, it seems I'm getting all my email (8 this morning) from OS/2Genau, but it is very slow...as though each mail has a small (maybe 200kb) attachment. All my other mail, including other addresses are fine. I am trialling Thunderbird, but my main Client is MR2/ICE. Both seem OK. Hoope this helps. NICK --------------------------------- In <0038597300.0001BPSM at server1.os2site dot com>, on 09/20/2005 at 10:43 AM, "Ian Manners" said: >From Alan Duval :- >> I'm not getting any Email from the os2genau site. Don't know whether >> this is a server problem or whether my ISP is stopping it. >> If you receive this could someone send me a private Email to that effect >> so that I can take it up with my ISP. >FYI >logs indicate that tpg are accepting and taking the emails ok, and Alan >isnt responding from two other email accounts at other ISP's so looks >lile tpg is losing his email, or he is. In a seperate email he sent me >what he's not receiving my response to either, it appears he is receiving >emails from some people ok, but not from other people, like me. >Cheers >Ian Manners >http://www.os2site dot com/ >It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a > ----------------------------------------------------------- nickl at pacific dot net dot au ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:35:35 +1000 (AEST) From: "Tom Perrett" Subject: Re: Test email On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:23:57 +1000, Alan Duval wrote: >I'm just sending this to see if it's forwarded to me. I specified that >email from os2genau at os2 dot org dot au was to be allowed by my ISP. > >Alan Duval > But of course it does not show the list name as the FROM it shows the name of the poster so once again one of these silly anti-spam programs is useless. Tom Cheers, Tom Tom Perrett Proud to be member of Melbourne DPS, first port of call re Victorian research - http://home.vicnet dot net dot au/~dpsoc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:00:32 +1000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Missing email Hi, If Terry Kemp or Kev Downes receives this email, could they email me privately to that effect. I know you both use tpg for your ISP as I do. Regards, Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:32:07 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Email Problem Paul Smedley wrote: >Hi kris, > >On 19/9/2005, "Kris Steenhaut" wrote: > > > >>Voytek Eymont schreef: >> >> >> >>>On Mon, September 19, 2005 11:32 pm, Kris Steenhaut wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I had send you a private email (1 day ago) and it had been bounced. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>for what reason ? >>> >>> >>> >>No, not to you, but to Ed Durrant. >> >> > >Ed is with Telstra Bigpond - they have a habit of deciding mail is spam >and it being rejected. Ironic considering Bigpond is one of the worst >offenders in terms of sending spam in Australia. > >Cheers, > >Paul. > > > Yes, in fact German goverment departments have all bigpond accounts on a blacklist - I had to use my own mail server to send them some correspondance (I used to live in Germany). Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:53:02 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Test email It is also possible that tpg's email servers cannot read my DNS server, as I only allow standard DNS ports (53) and only on UDP, were as going through my logs, tpg are trying to query using only standard IP and ignoring UDP. This is unusual behaviour for someone elses mail servers. I also have no problems with telstra or optus, except the odd time Optus get themselves black banned on SORB's :-) the maintainers of os2 dot org dot au had not yet updated that domains secondary DNS server address's either. Maybe its time I/we think about setting up the list on os2site dot com instead ? On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:23:57 +1000, Alan Duval wrote: > I'm just sending this to see if it's forwarded to me. I specified that > email from os2genau at os2 dot org dot au was to be allowed by my ISP. > > Alan Duval > Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Light travels faster than sound, which is why some people appear bright until they speak. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------