From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:02:59 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1212 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 05 November 2005 Number 1212 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant 2 Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Peter Jenkins 3 Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Peter Jenkins 4 Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Chuck McKinnis 5 Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant 6 Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant 7 Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 : Ed Durrant 8 Re: Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE : david shearer 9 Re: Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE : Ed Durrant 10 Re: Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE : david shearer **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:13:27 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Hi All, Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2. this is a recurring problem as versions increase. For a long time to be able to get (even the same versions of) thunderbird and Firefox to run together and link between each other, one had to either write cmd files or use the RUN! program to avoid conflicting program modules. With Firefox and Thunderbird v 1.5b2 this was no longer neccessary and the two programs ran together without problem. Even just a small increment to the version of Firefox from 1.5b2 to 1.5rc1 and the problem has returned. At the moment there is no OS/2 Port of the Thunderbird 1.5rc1 code (which exists already for Windows, Mac and Linux), let hope when we get an OS/2 port of this the problem once again is history. As far as I know this version clash problem does not happen on the other platforms, so I suspect it is may be libc.dll related. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:23:03 +1030 From: Peter Jenkins Subject: Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi All, > > Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - > it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2. > fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways a url link in tb will open ff with no problems if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff session I am not using the run command yet, as suggested earlier Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get dhcp to run properly, I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833 on board nic disabled 256mb ram PCI Realtek nic will live with it for the moment Peter J -- Peter A Jenkins Port Pirie South Australia PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2 (Also known as grandad or pj in some circles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:29:26 +1030 From: Peter Jenkins Subject: Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Should have mentioned Firefox 1.0.7 ecs 1.2 Thunderbird 1.0.6 Peter J Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi All, > > Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - > it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2. > fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways a url link in tb will open ff with no problems if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff session I am not using the run command yet, as suggested earlier Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get dhcp to run properly, I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833 on board nic disabled 256mb ram PCI Realtek nic will live with it for the moment Peter J -- Peter A Jenkins Port Pirie South Australia PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2 (Also known as grandad or pj in some circles) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:23:20 -0700 From: Chuck McKinnis Subject: Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Firefox 1.5rc1 and Thunderbird 1.0.6 play well together without any problem. I just tested a mailto: out of Firefox 1.5rc1 and the Thunderbird 1.0.6 compose window opened as expected. Thunderbird 1.0.6 also open URLs in Firefox 1.5rc1 as expected. Peter Jenkins wrote: > > Should have mentioned Firefox 1.0.7 ecs 1.2 Thunderbird 1.0.6 > Peter J > > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Just a heads up if you intend installing the latest firefox build - >> it doesn't "play friendly" with Thunderbird 1.5b2. >> > fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways > a url link in tb will open ff with no problems > if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff > session > I am not using the run command yet, as suggested earlier > Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will > lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get > dhcp to run properly, > I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer > Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833 > on board nic disabled > 256mb ram > PCI Realtek nic > will live with it for the moment > Peter J > -- Chuck McKinnis Covenant Solutions http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/ 505-286-3191 Civilization - biggest syntax error in history! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:34:41 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Hi Peter, I think you have several problems - comments interspersed: Peter Jenkins wrote: > fyi here I can "sometimes" open ff when tb is running but not hallways > a url link in tb will open ff with no problems > if i open ff first, then open tb, a url link in tb will open another ff > session This was the effect I also had with versions of TB & FF of the 1.06 / 1.07 vintage - are you running v 1.5 ? > Another problem i have is if I leave tb or ff running over night I will > lose the link from ecs to my adsl modem/router, I need to reboot to get > dhcp to run properly, Some routers (Linksys being one), has a bug in the code where the DHCP server component stops working from time to time. The solution is to configure a regular restart using TRON or similar within the router itself. By the way, the way DHCP works is that once allocated, a DHCP address has a "life" (default eight days I think) but at half of this time it will check if it can renew the address. If the DHCP server is not there, it may complain but will keep using its address until the "life" is up. If you are not moving your eCS system around (ie it's a laptop), then set static addresses in TCPCFG2 and you don't need to worry about DHCP anymore. > I believe it may be a problem between ecs-my nic/driver or the computer > Dell Optiplex GX 200 P111 833 > on board nic disabled > 256mb ram > PCI Realtek nic > will live with it for the moment As I noted above - I would rather think it could be a router problem - check the router's support site to see if anyone else has the same problem. I would not expect this to be a NIC, NIC Driver or FF/TB problem - personal experience says, these options are very unlikely. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:40:10 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Peter Jenkins wrote: > > Should have mentioned Firefox 1.0.7 ecs 1.2 Thunderbird 1.0.6 > Peter J Ok - thought so. Install Firefox 1.5b2 and Thinderbird 1.5b2 into new directories (not over the current versions), run configapps to set these two versions as your default browser and mail client and the program starting issues will go away. Hopefully when we get TB 1.5rc1, the same will be true of FF 1.5rc1 and TB 1.5rc1 together - the key issue is don't try running versions together. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:43:19 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Warning on using Firefox v 1.5rc1 Chuck McKinnis wrote: > Firefox 1.5rc1 and Thunderbird 1.0.6 play well together without any > problem. I just tested a mailto: out of Firefox 1.5rc1 and the > Thunderbird 1.0.6 compose window opened as expected. Thunderbird 1.0.6 > also open URLs in Firefox 1.5rc1 as expected. > > Thanks Chuck - that's interesting ! But I don't particularly wnt to go back to TB 1.06. Some problems I have seen are not obvious and depend upon which program loads first. The only combination that has worked flawlessly for me has been FF & TB 1.5b2. I haven't tried FF 1.5rc1 and TB 1.06 though. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:54:31 +1000 From: david shearer Subject: Re: Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE Where do you buy the Yuan card from? The Hauppauge 150 can be had OEM for $150 as well? David Ed Durrant wrote: > David Shearer wrote: > >> I see that the emperoar software now supports the Hauppauge 150 and >> 500 capture cards. >> >> Does anyone on this list have any experience with either card? >> >> >> David S >> > >> >> > >> > Hi David, > I do not have experience with using these cards, however it is > important to point out that the the MCE (Media Centre Edition) card > and the non MCE cards are different products using different chipsets. > If you have the choice, the non-MCE card is more likely to run without > issues. > > I am presently running Emperoar with a Yuan MPG600 card (costs > Aus$150), Rudi (the author of Emperoar) has managed to solve all > issues on this card apart from one, which is it needs to be warm > booted before it works, after that all features (including remote > control) work fine. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:07:18 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE The Yuan MPG600 was bought from a Sydney based retailer. If you are interested, I'll dig out the details. At the time I bought it, the PVr 150 did not exist, only the PVR 250 and 350 at around A$300 and A$400 respectively. Was your reference to the PVR150 at $150 a question or a statement ? My Yuan is a retail not an OEM product. I have not come across OEM versions of either the Yuan or Hauppauge PVR cards. Cheers/2 Ed. david shearer wrote: > Where do you buy the Yuan card from? > > The Hauppauge 150 can be had OEM for $150 as well? > > David > > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> David Shearer wrote: >> >>> I see that the emperoar software now supports the Hauppauge 150 and >>> 500 capture cards. >>> >>> Does anyone on this list have any experience with either card? >>> >>> >>> David S >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Hi David, >> I do not have experience with using these cards, however it is >> important to point out that the the MCE (Media Centre Edition) card >> and the non MCE cards are different products using different chipsets. >> If you have the choice, the non-MCE card is more likely to run without >> issues. >> >> I am presently running Emperoar with a Yuan MPG600 card (costs >> Aus$150), Rudi (the author of Emperoar) has managed to solve all >> issues on this card apart from one, which is it needs to be warm >> booted before it works, after that all features (including remote >> control) work fine. >> >> Cheers/2 >> >> Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:09:25 +1000 From: david shearer Subject: Re: Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE Sorry I wrote the email a bit quickly. I have tracked down a guy that sells the MCE for $150 as an OEM product - ie no software and no remote. I was wondering which was thw better buy - by thw sounds of it the Yuan is okay. Can you share with me where to buy a Yuan? I am in Brisbane. David Ed Durrant wrote: > The Yuan MPG600 was bought from a Sydney based retailer. If you are > interested, I'll dig out the details. At the time I bought it, the PVr > 150 did not exist, only the PVR 250 and 350 at around A$300 and A$400 > respectively. > > Was your reference to the PVR150 at $150 a question or a statement ? > > My Yuan is a retail not an OEM product. I have not come across OEM > versions of either the Yuan or Hauppauge PVR cards. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > david shearer wrote: > >> Where do you buy the Yuan card from? >> >> The Hauppauge 150 can be had OEM for $150 as well? >> >> David >> >> Ed Durrant wrote: >> >>> David Shearer wrote: >>> >>>> I see that the emperoar software now supports the Hauppauge 150 and >>>> 500 capture cards. >>>> >>>> Does anyone on this list have any experience with either card? >>>> >>>> >>>> David S >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> Hi David, >>> I do not have experience with using these cards, however it is >>> important to point out that the the MCE (Media Centre Edition) card >>> and the non MCE cards are different products using different >>> chipsets. If you have the choice, the non-MCE card is more likely to >>> run without issues. >>> >>> I am presently running Emperoar with a Yuan MPG600 card (costs >>> Aus$150), Rudi (the author of Emperoar) has managed to solve all >>> issues on this card apart from one, which is it needs to be warm >>> booted before it works, after that all features (including remote >>> control) work fine. >>> >>> Cheers/2 >>> >>> Ed. >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------