From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:04:54 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1283 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 23 April 2006 Number 1283 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 OT: Need assistance in recovering Mozilla-based Mail from os2genau list : Mike O'Connor" 2 Re: Test email : Eric Schilke" 3 Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? : Mike O'Connor" 4 Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? : Gavin Miller 5 Re: HRH Gates! [was The Future of Innovation At Stake?] : Mike O'Connor" 6 Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? : Ian Manners" 7 Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? : Mike O'Connor" 8 Success! Re: OT: Need assistance in recovering Mozilla-based Mail from os2genau list : Mike O'Connor" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:33:22 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: OT: Need assistance in recovering Mozilla-based Mail from os2genau list Hi Guys, I apologize in advance for the necessary cross-postings. Following my surgery on 2005-12-21 I'm finally at a stage where I can sit to read and type again! :-) To all who sent their best wishes for my recovery either via Kenn Yuill or on this list -- I'll be contacting you all via personal mail! Following physical damage from 3 successive lightning strikes within a couple of minutes from as close as 30ft**, I lost my main Mail machine [and at least one other system's components]. Zip-Backup of universal [TB|Moz|IBMWB] Mozilla-tree dates from 2005-10-26, and oldest available via ISP server only goes back to 2005-11-27. I'd appreciate it greatly if anyone running Moz-based mail on this group could _advise_ me whether they have a complete archive for this list covering that period. I'll then nominate a specific volunteer for the recovery. Process would just be to create a convenient mail-folder in their mail-tree's local folders, copy all relevant os2genau list messages into it - zip the contents of that folder and then verify with "zip -T \os2genau.zip" (the associated *.msf file won't be required), attach to my e-mail address and then delete that folder from the tree. Good to be back - but I'll be behind for quite a while as I have thousands of messages to read/respond to - no chance of getting bored! ** Although my adjacent neighbours on both sides and opposite and behind, had their smoking power receptacles physically detached from the walls - I didn't even lose power - even the TV/VCRs'/Microwave oven's clocks [always finicky about any 240V power fluctuations] kept running on mains - lights never even flickered! It wasn't until I actually went to power-up the systems in the "study" that I found out that there had been a "flash-back" down the ADSL line, which killed the Linksys AG041 Gateway/Router - power cycling resulted in a RED power-LED [hardware failure], LED is Yellow when good -- that was when I found out that the mains-powered multi-function phone had fried its hard-wired transformer, and the effect on a line-powered Telco handset was like not having the ADSL Central-splitter installed - squawk, squawk! :-( >From talking to the Telco Tech It appears that one of the strikes hit the RIM [Telco's CMUX box] in the street nearby and blew a lot of the underground connections en-route to this village! Because the Linksys was connected to the 8-port switch that too was partially damaged as was the other system! :-( Still could have been a lot worse. :-) TIA -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:52:35 -0500 From: "Eric Schilke" Subject: Re: Test email DQotLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tIA0KRnJvbTogIkFsYW4gRHV2YWwiIDxhbW9o dEB0cGcuY29tLmF1Pg0KVG86IDxvczJnZW5hdUBvczIub3JnLmF1Pg0KU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBB cHJpbCAyMSwgMjAwNiA2OjI1IEFNDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbb3MyZ2VuYXVdIFRlc3QgZW1haWwNCg0K DQo+IFRoaXMgaXMganVzdCBhIHRlc3QgZW1haWwgdG8gc2VlIGlmIFRQRyBmb3J3YXJkcyBpdCBv biB0byBtZS4NCj4gDQo+IEFsYW4gRHV2YWwNCj4gLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0K PiBUbyBTdWJzY3JpYmUvVW5zdWJzY3JpYmUgZ28gdG8gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5vczIub3JnLmF1L2xp c3QvDQo+ID09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCj4g DQo+DQoNCkl0IHdvcmtzLg0KDQpSZWdhcmRzLA0KRXJpYyBTY2hpbGtlDQpDb3B5cmlnaHQgKGMp IDIwMDYuICBBbGwgcmlnaHRzIHJlc2VydmVkLg0KICAgICAtLS0tLSAgTnVyIEdvdHQgZGllIEVo cmUgLS0tLS0= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:14:24 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? Ian Manners wrote: >1) > > >The Future of Innovation At Stake? >Posted by Zonk on 0:36 22 April 2006 >from the bum-bum-bummmmmm dept. > >Neuropol writes "Next week, Microsoft will launch a challenge against the European >Union's highest court. The European Commission will need to decide if they are to >overturn the EU Court's 2004 Anti-Trust case ruling. Amid arguments over the usual >suspects like Windows Media Player, one of the key points of the CNN article > that >caught my attention was this quote from a EU Commission lawyer stating that Microsoft >aims 'to eliminate the openness of the Internet, to proprietize the Internet, the lawyer >said, adding the groundwork will be laid in Microsoft's forthcoming new operating >system, Vista.'" > > "What Microsoft is talking about is freedom for them to innovate, not others," said >lawyer Thomas Vinje, representing a group of competitors that will speak at the >hearing." > >and: > >Last year, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer told Germany's Manager >Magazine: "We needed the first years to conquer the PC and those following to be >ahead in the server business. In the upcoming years we'll conquer the Internet." > >Bill Gates "We intend to own several markets and to ensure that competition is >removed, we see no problem with this". > >[And on that day I'll start using a fax machine, writing letters again, as well as >start using phone banking. - Ian Manners] > >2) > >Microsoft loses battle for court docs >How low can you go..... > >One thing I like to point out to people that say that people like "me" >only pick on Microsoft because they are so good which is why they >are dominant in the market, is that Intel is also dominant in the market >and they dont have such problems anywere near the same scale ;-) > >And no one would consider SCO to be big >and yet they have a reputation now almost as bad as Microsoft in the >FUD market. > >It's not so much the company, or its employee's the industry has >a problem with, its the upper management's attitude problem and >the amount of money they push at, and on, politicians, better to put >the money back into R&D and produce quality goods and let the >market decide on merit in true American style. > >Cheers >Ian Manners >http://www.os2site dot com/ > >"My mom said she learned how to swim. Someone took her out in the lake and threw her off the boat. That's how she learned how to swim. I said, 'Mom, they weren't trying to teach you how to swim.' " --Paula Poundstone > > I like it! Hi Ian, I noticed this on my RSS feed in TB! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4933290.stm -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:36:13 +1000 From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? Uughhh... disturbing :-( Mike O'Connor wrote: > Ian Manners wrote: > >> 1) >> >> >> The Future of Innovation At Stake? >> Posted by Zonk on 0:36 22 April 2006 >> from the bum-bum-bummmmmm dept. >> >> Neuropol writes "Next week, Microsoft will launch a challenge against >> the European Union's highest court. The European Commission will need >> to decide if they are to overturn the EU Court's 2004 Anti-Trust case >> ruling. Amid arguments over the usual suspects like Windows Media >> Player, one of the key points of the CNN article >> >> that caught my attention was this quote from a EU Commission lawyer >> stating that Microsoft aims 'to eliminate the openness of the >> Internet, to proprietize the Internet, the lawyer said, adding the >> groundwork will be laid in Microsoft's forthcoming new operating >> system, Vista.'" >> "What Microsoft is talking about is freedom for them to innovate, >> not others," said lawyer Thomas Vinje, representing a group of >> competitors that will speak at the hearing." >> >> and: >> >> Last year, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer told Germany's >> Manager Magazine: "We needed the first years to conquer the PC and >> those following to be ahead in the server business. In the upcoming >> years we'll conquer the Internet." >> >> Bill Gates "We intend to own several markets and to ensure that >> competition is removed, we see no problem with this". >> >> [And on that day I'll start using a fax machine, writing letters >> again, as well as >> start using phone banking. - Ian Manners] >> >> 2) >> >> Microsoft loses battle for court docs >> How low can you go..... >> >> One thing I like to point out to people that say that people like "me" >> only pick on Microsoft because they are so good which is why they >> are dominant in the market, is that Intel is also dominant in the market >> and they dont have such problems anywere near the same scale ;-) >> >> And no one would consider SCO to be big >> and yet they have a reputation now almost as bad as Microsoft in the >> FUD market. >> >> It's not so much the company, or its employee's the industry has >> a problem with, its the upper management's attitude problem and >> the amount of money they push at, and on, politicians, better to put >> the money back into R&D and produce quality goods and let the >> market decide on merit in true American style. >> >> Cheers >> Ian Manners >> http://www.os2site dot com/ >> >> "My mom said she learned how to swim. Someone took her out in the >> lake and threw her off the boat. That's how she learned how to >> swim. I said, 'Mom, they weren't trying to teach you how to swim.' " >> --Paula Poundstone >> >> > I like it! > > > Hi Ian, > > I noticed this on my RSS feed in TB! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4933290.stm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:48:34 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: HRH Gates! [was The Future of Innovation At Stake?] Gavin Miller wrote: > Uughhh... disturbing :-( > > Mike O'Connor wrote: > >> Hi Ian, >> >> I noticed this on my RSS feed in TB! >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4933290.stm > Hi Gavin, Has HE created a "ShortcutTM" to GOD for himself? Good to be back! -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:16:29 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? Hi Mike Glad your up and about ok. >I like it! There are some good ones in there, should update/rotate them as the file hasnt changed for 6 years now.... >I noticed this on my RSS feed in TB! >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4933290.stm Wonder if micro soft had to "donate" to anyone/anything to be chosen ;-) Like the AID's effort donation the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation" make in relation to SA using Windows and SQL software. And there I was thinking he did it out of the kindness of his heart, and that there is good in everyone. I think a lot less of people when they only donate to a cause if there is something financial in it for them. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ACRONYM = Abbreviated Coded Rendition Of Name Yielding Meaning ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:33:43 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Re: The Future of Innovation At Stake? Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Mike > >Glad your up and about ok. > > > > > >>I like it! >> >> > >There are some good ones in there, should update/rotate them as >the file hasnt changed for 6 years now.... > > > >>I noticed this on my RSS feed in TB! >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4933290.stm >> >> > >Wonder if micro soft had to "donate" to anyone/anything to be chosen ;-) > >Like the AID's effort donation the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation" >make in relation to SA using Windows and SQL software. And there >I was thinking he did it out of the kindness of his heart, and that there >is good in everyone. > >I think a lot less of people when they only donate to a cause if there >is something financial in it for them. > >Cheers >Ian Manners >http://www.os2site dot com/ > >ACRONYM = Abbreviated Coded Rendition Of Name Yielding Meaning > > Hi Ian, Personal uptime 20060422:10:05 -- now - must be telling me something! That last one was even better! ;-) I've had it with sleeping up to 10-12 hours in a day recuperating -- it's too tiring :-D -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:30:33 +1000 From: "Mike O'Connor" Subject: Success! Re: OT: Need assistance in recovering Mozilla-based Mail from os2genau list Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Mike > > >I have a complete archive, though missing full headers and all the >email address have at replaced with "at", and only as daily digests. > >I keep them at http://www.os2site.com/list/digest/ > >I could "bounce" them to you if you setup a filter to move anything with >"os2genau_digest" in the headers to a new folder, or simply >zip them all up as text files for you. > >Cheers >Ian Manners >http://www.os2site dot com/ > >You and me against the world? CHARGE!! > Hi Ian, Terrific! Bounced into the correct court! -- Regards, Mike Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------