From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:00:41 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1341 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Friday 28 July 2006 Number 1341 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Voytek Eymont" 2 Re: Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 : Peter Moylan 3 Fuzz testing : Dennis Nolan 4 AJAX : Ed Durrant **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:07:43 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 > brianb at kdfisher dot com dot au wrote: >> As far as I am concerned Flash is just >> bloatware eyecandy that the web could well do without. >> >> If flash bits don't work I really don't care! >> I will view the site without them or if the site >> is unusable without flash stuff I will go elsewhere. >> ----------------------------------------- whilst I largely agree that flash is mainly an udesirable burden, let me just bring up a true story that happened to me few years ago I was aware of a web site that was all flash, latest version only; backlevel flash- no website no flash - no website as I knew the MD of the company in question, I arranged a meeting, and, brought it up in coversation , the shortcomings of not having non-flash alternative the MD listened carefully, and asked some question, I explained how unless the end user had the latest flash, they couldn't see the web site, and, would 'go somewhere else' well, said the MD, if they don't have the latest browsers with the latest flash, we are not interested in them, they're not clients for us as I remembered how my parents told me not to argue with my sister, I didn't pursue the argument any further. as a footnote, the business of providing OS/2 services went in totally different direction to the business with flash only web site, and, I'll leave it to the readers to guess the directions of respective trajectories. -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:31:09 +1000 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Re: Problems accessing Injoy site with Firefox/2 Voytek Eymont wrote: > the MD listened carefully, and asked some question, I explained how > unless the end user had the latest flash, they couldn't see the web > site, and, would 'go somewhere else' > > well, said the MD, if they don't have the latest browsers with the > latest flash, we are not interested in them, they're not clients for > us And if they later get the latest Flash, they're lost clients. I don't know how big a factor that is. What I do know is that there are Windows-using companies out there who won't use certain brands of printer because they got burnt several years ago with lousy or non-existent OS/2 printer drivers. I also know that upgrade decisions are often based on unexpected factors. How did MS-Word come to displace the superior (at that time) WordPerfect? At my workplace, it was because some highly-placed people had a home computer with MS-Works preinstalled, and they ordered the entire organisation to be compatible with their games machine. -- Peter Moylan peter at ozebelg dot org peter.moylan at optusnet dot com dot au http://www.pmoylan dot org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer reliably receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address still has about 2 months of life left. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:35:23 +1000 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Fuzz testing I've just been refered to a mob which does fuzz testing. The theory is to enter stupid values and see what happens. The site is http://browserfun.blogspot dot com/ It is a very interesting browse. Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:52:34 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: AJAX Hi All, During a private email conversation with Mike O'Connor we touched on the subject of AJAX applications. You can see may reply below. After writing this, I thought it might be of interest to the group and a useful discussion topic. This IS the "hottest thing" around on the Internet at the moment (until the next "big thing" ) but it is actually still in it's infancy however a lot of powerful players are getting behind it. Cheers/2 ED. Here's my conversation with Mike. > Hi Ed, > > What's AJAX? Never encountered the term previously! Is this like a > Java-based remote system? AJAX is THE LATEST THING on the Web. It is code that runs within the browser - no matter which platform it is running on - so an Ajax appliaction that will run in Firefox on Linux or Windows, will also run in Firefox on OS/2 or MAC. I don't think it is JAVA based, more XHTML I "think". There's an article on it in APC. Go to http://www.ajaxwrite dot com where it says: ========================== ajaxWrite is a web-based word processor that can read and write Microsoft Word and other standard document formats. Anytime you need to open, read or write a word processor file, simply point your Firefox browser to www.ajaxwrite dot com and in seconds a full-featured program will be available for you to open, edit, print and save. ajaxWrite has been designed to look like Microsoft Word, making it easy for anyone to start using it without needing to learn a new program. ajaxWrite also handles all the popular document formats so it's easy to share your files and collaborate with your co-workers and friends. Once finished with your document, you can easily save your work right to your hard drive. This keeps you organized and works in the same way that you're already accustomed to. ajaxWrite works from a Firefox web browser on any operating system and on any device, no matter where you are or what computer you're using. And because the application itself lives on the web, we handle the updates automatically so that you don't have to deal with costly upgrades or getting stuck with old versions. ========================= If some idiot insists that he must use IE not Firefox, then there's the equivalent at: http://www.ajaxword dot com/ajaxword/ There's also the following AJAX sites for various Office applications - these are the ones listed in APC - I haven't tried them out yet - www.writely dot com www.zohowriter dot com www.irows dot com www.sheetster dot com numsum dot com www.editgrid dot com www.thumbstacks dot com basecamphq dot com www.aceproject dot com www.goffice dot com thinkfree dot com www.eyeos dot com www.flysuite dot com www.gmail dot com (Note: the entries above without www are meant to be without www). What this means is that in principal soon, for a small office installation it wont matter what OS is installed on the PC as long as it has Firefox installed. If one teams this all up (as Google are planning to do) with web based storage, it means you could use your applications and data from anywhere with any PC with Firefox and an internet connection ! You could even take a boot CD or USB key with you with Firefox pre installed, load a RAM resident OS - eg Linux or eComStation and operate. Performance of applications written in AJAX appear to be miles ahead of classic Java applications. Apparently components of AJAX have been around for sometime but under other names. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------