From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:01:26 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1350 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 16 August 2006 Number 1350 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Broadband : Paul Smedley 2 Re: Broadband : Chuck McKinnis 3 Re: Broadband : Ed Durrant 4 Re: Broadband : Dennis Nolan 5 Re: Broadband : Ed Durrant 6 Re: Broadband : Gavin Miller 7 Re: Disobedient Icon : Alan Duval 8 Re: Disobedient Icon : Peter Moylan 9 Re: Disobedient Icon : Michael/Gail Peters" 10 Re: Disobedient Icon : Alan Duval 11 Re: Broadband : Leigh Bunting 12 Re: Broadband : Ed Durrant **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:55:02 +0930 From: Paul Smedley Subject: Re: Broadband Leigh Bunting wrote: > Hi All, > > Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for a > few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making the > connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from getting > B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want to remove > it unless I bought Bigpond B/B. > > However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode > Dialup to B/B. > > One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* > * * > > Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15? > > Thanks for any help. I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty much platform agnostic. Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:32:40 -0600 From: Chuck McKinnis Subject: Re: Broadband Paul Smedley wrote: > > > Leigh Bunting wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for >> a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making >> the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from >> getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want >> to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B. >> >> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode >> Dialup to B/B. >> >> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* >> * * >> >> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15? >> >> Thanks for any help. > > I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty much > platform agnostic. > > Cheers, > > Paul. The only routers I have had any problems with are the ones from US Robotics. I don't think they ever try to configure them with anything except exploder. -- Chuck McKinnis Covenant Solutions http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/os2/ 505-286-3191 "You can't defeat 1000 armed dwarfs merely by being not-romantic." C S Lewis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:15:14 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Broadband Leigh Bunting wrote: > Hi All, > > Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for a > few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making the > connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from getting > B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want to remove > it unless I bought Bigpond B/B. > > However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode > Dialup to B/B. > > One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* > * * > > Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15? > > Thanks for any help. > > Cheers, > > Leigh Bunting > Colonel Light Gardens > South Australia > > > This looks to be a pretty standard ADSL 2/2+ router. You connect to it via ethernet. The reference to their "easy set up software" could be a problem however, normally these things have a web based interface, so you should be able to access this "easy set up" software using firefox or similar. Give Internode a call - they are one of the few ISPs that actually know what OS/2 and eComstation is and they always try to be OS agnostic, so it would surprise me if you have any issues with them. You also need to know if the local exchange you are connected to has had an Internode DSLAM installed and if so, if it's an ADSL 2+ DSLAM, if not you may be connected to a 1,5Mb/s maximum speed Telstra ADSL DSLAM even though you are with Internode. The distance from the exchange and quality of line will also affect what speed you will be able to attain. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:27:35 +1000 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Broadband Also Leigh, Consider the advantages of VoIP before deciding on a modem Your ISP will probably have a VoIP option and it is worth considering. With VoIP you can get Telstra to give you a Homeline Budget service. You will not find mention of this service plan on the Telstra web site, it costs $18.40 per month. Add on the $10 per month for VoIP, or whatever your ISP charges, and then make almost all calls for 10/12 cents per minute. I can make a phone call to a mobile phone in Norway cheaper than I can to one in Australia. Anyway it's worth while considering. Regards Dennis. Chuck McKinnis wrote: > > > Paul Smedley wrote: > >> >> >> Leigh Bunting wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which >>> for a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through >>> making the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me >>> from getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they >>> didn't want to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B. >>> >>> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my >>> Internode Dialup to B/B. >>> >>> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* >>> * * >>> >>> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15? >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >> >> >> I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty >> much platform agnostic. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. > > > The only routers I have had any problems with are the ones from US > Robotics. I don't think they ever try to configure them with anything > except exploder. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:38:43 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Broadband Alternatively you can add a device such as a Netcomm V300, inline after your modem. This device adds QoS (Quality of service) and prioritises the VOIP traffic that it generates from its built in ATA (Analogue Telephone Adapter) - you simply plu a normal telephone into the V300. You will need a VOIP provider in addition to your ISP (or possibly your ISP may also supply this service). You can switch VOIP providers without having to switch ISPs, it's a separate function. The Internode network itself has QoS enabled os it ought to be a very good network for VOIP. There are a lot of competing VOIP providers - I use MyNetPhone now and am happy with the service and the prices. While discussing extra functions for your possible ADSL router - you might also want to consider getting one with WiFi capability built in. By the way, you don't have to buy your router from your ISP, although they often have some discounted prices to make it attractive to you to do so, and they're likely to be able to help you more quickly if problems occur and you are using a model of router that they know. Cheers/2 Ed. Dennis Nolan wrote: > Also Leigh, > > Consider the advantages of VoIP before deciding on a modem > > Your ISP will probably have a VoIP option and it is worth considering. > > With VoIP you can get Telstra to give you a Homeline Budget service. You > will not find mention of this service plan on the Telstra web site, it > costs $18.40 per month. Add on the $10 per month for VoIP, or whatever > your ISP charges, and then make almost all calls for 10/12 cents per > minute. I can make a phone call to a mobile phone in Norway cheaper than > I can to one in Australia. > Anyway it's worth while considering. > > Regards > > Dennis. > > > Chuck McKinnis wrote: > >> >> >> Paul Smedley wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Leigh Bunting wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which >>>> for a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through >>>> making the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me >>>> from getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they >>>> didn't want to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B. >>>> >>>> However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my >>>> Internode Dialup to B/B. >>>> >>>> One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* >>>> * * >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> >>> I'd be extremely surprised if this didn't work - routers are pretty >>> much platform agnostic. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul. >> >> >> The only routers I have had any problems with are the ones from US >> Robotics. I don't think they ever try to configure them with anything >> except exploder. >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:37:26 +1000 From: Gavin Miller Subject: Re: Broadband Hi Leigh, Getting back to your broadband option; what ever unit you get ignore the windows installation instructions and go for the ethernet connection (get a unit with ethernet not just usb). Most windows installations tell you to setup the unit as a pseudo MODEM type USB modem similar to a dial up connection. That's crap. Use ethernet and assign TCPIP to your nic in ECS's Network adapters and protocols, make sure the nic is activated in TCPIP config and set DHCP according to your ISP's request. You may have to enter the ip address of the router in the Host Names tab of TCPIP config "Lan name server" but other than that, all info from your ISP will go into the router's config, which is usually accessible with a web browser (get a unit that can be accessed with a browser). I'm with Telstra and have DHCP activated on my nic. My router is a netcomm NB1300 +4. It a good unit but not gigabit I'm afraid. Word of warning though. If you go with Telstra and can't browse the web or receive e-mails, it may not be your setup. It's Telstra's problem (although they won't admit it). If you can't access the router's setup screens in a web browser, then that is a setup problem. Just check DHCP and Lan name server as stated above. Leigh Bunting wrote: > Hi All, > > Today Telstra removed the Analogue Network Termination box, which for > a few years provided two phone lines over the old wires through making > the connection to the house a digital line. This prevented me from > getting B/B and in previous discussions with Telstra, they didn't want > to remove it unless I bought Bigpond B/B. > > However, it has now gone and I want to look at upgrading my Internode > Dialup to B/B. > > One of the router thingies they offer is an* Open Networks 624* > * * > Does anyone have any advice on how this might work with eCS 1.15? > > Thanks for any help. > > Cheers, > > Leigh Bunting > Colonel Light Gardens > South Australia > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:23:05 +1000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Disobedient Icon Ed Durrant wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I recently installed Lucide and it put an icon on the desktop below >> a horizontal line of icons although that line had plenty of space. I >> dragged it into line with the other icons but everytime I reboot the >> Lucide icon is back below the others. I have tried locking it in >> place but the same thing happens. Any ideas why this is happening? >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Duval > >> >> > >> > In desktop properties - desktop tab, do you have the "save desktop > properties" option clicked ? > Yes ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:36:32 +1000 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Re: Disobedient Icon Alan Duval wrote: > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> Alan Duval wrote: >> >>> I recently installed Lucide and it put an icon on the desktop >>> below a horizontal line of icons although that line had plenty of >>> space. I dragged it into line with the other icons but everytime >>> I reboot the Lucide icon is back below the others. I have tried >>> locking it in place but the same thing happens. Any ideas why >>> this is happening? >> In desktop properties - desktop tab, do you have the "save desktop >> properties" option clicked ? >> > Yes Just a long shot, but have you tried editing the title of the icon? If it can't fit on the row you selected then it might have a very long title (e.g. the title might have a lot of trailing spaces that you haven't noticed). -- Peter Moylan peter at ozebelg dot org peter.moylan at optusnet dot com dot au http://www.pmoylan dot org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:42 +1000 From: "Michael/Gail Peters" Subject: Re: Disobedient Icon Alan, You are exiting the desktop with a right hand mouse button and then selecting shut down, aren't you ? You have to do that to solidly position the icon first time around. CAD and switch off wont do it. Just a thought. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Duval" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Disobedient Icon > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> Alan Duval wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I recently installed Lucide and it put an icon on the desktop below a >>> horizontal line of icons although that line had plenty of space. I >>> dragged it into line with the other icons but everytime I reboot the >>> Lucide icon is back below the others. I have tried locking it in place >>> but the same thing happens. Any ideas why this is happening? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alan Duval >>> >>> >>> >> In desktop properties - desktop tab, do you have the "save desktop >> properties" option clicked ? >> > Yes > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:49:46 +1000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Disobedient Icon Michael/Gail Peters wrote: > Alan, > > You are exiting the desktop with a right hand mouse button > and then selecting shut down, aren't you ? You have to do that > to solidly position the icon first time around. CAD and switch > off wont do it. Just a thought. > > Mike Thanks Michael. That worked. I had previously put the power icon on my desktop so that by right clicking it I could access the power off option to switch off completely. Previous to that I had always used right clicking on the desktop, then selecting shutdown and then turning off the computer manually. Trust you are finding country living enjoyable. Regards, Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:58:27 +0930 From: Leigh Bunting Subject: Re: Broadband Thanks for all your help. Lots to digest with the responses. Internode seem to have a VoIP-like system called NodePhone . Might explore that a little further. The exchange isn't far away, but we've had some issues with the phone line with a shower of rain killing it off after a week. The fault was 600m from my house. Dial-up has been a bit patchy since, so it remains to be seen how fast the broadband connection will be. If and when we get another shower of rain that finds a weakness in the system, it could all prove very testing (sic). Thanks again guys. Leigh Ed Durrant wrote: > You will need a VOIP provider in addition to your ISP (or possibly > your ISP may also supply this service). -- Leigh Bunting Colonel Light Gardens South Australia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:40:59 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Broadband Before an ADSL service is installed, Telstra will check the line. I'm sorry to say, that if the line is as flakey as you say, they are likely not to install the service. Cheers/2 Ed. Leigh Bunting wrote: > Thanks for all your help. Lots to digest with the responses. > > Internode seem to have a VoIP-like system called NodePhone > . Might explore that a little > further. > > The exchange isn't far away, but we've had some issues with the phone > line with a shower of rain killing it off after a week. The fault was > 600m from my house. Dial-up has been a bit patchy since, so it remains > to be seen how fast the broadband connection will be. If and when we get > another shower of rain that finds a weakness in the system, it could all > prove very testing (sic). > > Thanks again guys. > > Leigh > > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> You will need a VOIP provider in addition to your ISP (or possibly >> your ISP may also supply this service). > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------