From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 00:01:19 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1390 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 08 November 2006 Number 1390 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Kris Steenhaut 2 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Paul Smedley 3 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Kris Steenhaut 4 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant 5 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant 6 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Paul Smedley 7 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant 8 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Kris Steenhaut 9 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Paul Smedley" 10 Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation : Ed Durrant 11 os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting : Ian Manners" 12 Re: os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting : Ed Durrant **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:43:14 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Ed Durrant ha scritto: > but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have OS/2 drivers ! > > Sure about that? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:22:53 +1030 From: Paul Smedley Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Ed Durrant ha scritto: >> but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have OS/2 drivers ! >> >> > Sure about that? I am. http://gutenprint.sourceforge dot net/p_Supported_Printers.php3 for example ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:15:49 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Paul Smedley ha scritto: > > > Kris Steenhaut wrote: >> Ed Durrant ha scritto: >>> but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have OS/2 drivers ! >>> >>> >> Sure about that? > > I am. http://gutenprint.sourceforge dot net/p_Supported_Printers.php3 for > example And now we are too. There is a fair amount of winprinters in the collection, so this is an answer to the previous unanswered question. :-) -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:31:12 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Paul Smedley wrote: ============================================= >>> >> The big question is - are "win-printers" supported by CUPS, not just >> postscript and PCL printers (we have drivers for those already). > > > Dunno about true 'winprinters' but check out www.linuxprinting dot org > > cups + gutenprint = vast majority of printers supported... > > Cheers, > > Paul. I'm particularly interested in getting my Brother MFC620CN working - It has Linux CUPS and LPD driver files on the Brother website, not only for printing, but also for faxing - it also has SANE drivers for scanning, Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:34:17 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Ed Durrant ha scritto: >> It was great to see in the latest Netlabs newsletter reference to a >> new project eCUPS >> >> http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups >> >> Whose aim is to bring the Common Unix Printer Support (CUPS) to OS/2 >> and eComStation ! >> >> Hoping that the CUPS configuration files that work under Unix or Linux >> will work under the final OS2/eCS version, means that one MAJOR >> problem for eComStation (finding printers that are able to be attached >> to OS/2 or eComStation systems) may be addressed. Not all printers >> have CUPS drivers but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers than have >> OS/2 drivers ! >> >> Great News !! >> >> > Hope so. > > Although I wonder now what could have happened to the win32 printer > project. > > I suspect we have a greater chance of success with a port of CUPS that with WIN32PRN. I did some testing for the WIN32PRN project and it's a very complex (and hence "fragile" - i.e. one small change and it wont work) solution. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:25:08 +1030 From: Paul Smedley Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation HI Ed, Ed Durrant wrote: > Paul Smedley wrote: > > ============================================= >>>> >>> The big question is - are "win-printers" supported by CUPS, not just >>> postscript and PCL printers (we have drivers for those already). >> >> >> Dunno about true 'winprinters' but check out www.linuxprinting dot org >> >> cups + gutenprint = vast majority of printers supported... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. > > > > I'm particularly interested in getting my Brother MFC620CN working - It > has Linux CUPS and LPD driver files on the Brother website, not only for > printing, but also for faxing - it also has SANE drivers for scanning, If you recall - we looked at the SANE driver for scanning and it relies on closed source libraries - I wonder about the cups driver? This is network connected? Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:24:50 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Paul Smedley wrote: > HI Ed, > > Ed Durrant wrote: >> Paul Smedley wrote: >> >> ============================================= >>>>> >>>> The big question is - are "win-printers" supported by CUPS, not just >>>> postscript and PCL printers (we have drivers for those already). >>> >>> >>> Dunno about true 'winprinters' but check out www.linuxprinting dot org >>> >>> cups + gutenprint = vast majority of printers supported... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul. >> >> >> >> I'm particularly interested in getting my Brother MFC620CN working - >> It has Linux CUPS and LPD driver files on the Brother website, not >> only for printing, but also for faxing - it also has SANE drivers for >> scanning, > > If you recall - we looked at the SANE driver for scanning and it relies > on closed source libraries - I wonder about the cups driver? This is > network connected? > > Cheers, > > Paul. I'm not so worried about the SANE driver as I can "scan to card" and then transfer either via FTP or USB MSD to the PC. The Brother site says the CUPS drivers are for USB or Network connected. http://solutions.brother dot com/linux/en_us/ Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 23:04:55 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Ed Durrant ha scritto: > Kris Steenhaut wrote: >> Ed Durrant ha scritto: >>> It was great to see in the latest Netlabs newsletter reference to a >>> new project eCUPS >>> >>> http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups >>> >>> Whose aim is to bring the Common Unix Printer Support (CUPS) to OS/2 >>> and eComStation ! >>> >>> Hoping that the CUPS configuration files that work under Unix or >>> Linux will work under the final OS2/eCS version, means that one >>> MAJOR problem for eComStation (finding printers that are able to be >>> attached to OS/2 or eComStation systems) may be addressed. Not all >>> printers have CUPS drivers but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers >>> than have OS/2 drivers ! >>> >>> Great News !! >>> >>> >> Hope so. >> >> Although I wonder now what could have happened to the win32 printer >> project. >> >> > I suspect we have a greater chance of success with a port of CUPS that > with WIN32PRN. I did some testing for the WIN32PRN project and it's a > very complex (and hence "fragile" - i.e. one small change and it wont > work) solution. > So it looks like the CUPS thing will be a major breakthrough. The WIN32PRN project isn't (wasn't ?) a Netlabs project, is it? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:59:41 +0930 From: "Paul Smedley" Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Hi Kris, On 7/11/2006, "Kris Steenhaut" wrote: >So it looks like the CUPS thing will be a major breakthrough. The >WIN32PRN project isn't (wasn't ?) a Netlabs project, is it? win32prn was being done by Vitali ??? in Ukraine. IIRC the source was purchased by Mensys with the aim of finishing the project. Everyone needs to be careful about getting too excited about CUPS. Yes it will/should be a 'major breakthrough' however there is still a bunch of work to be done on it to get it working 100%. My time is pretty limited right now - but I'd hope to have something within the next two months. I'm on vacation for a month starting December 19th - in the meantime I'll do what I can in the evening/weekend. Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 13:51:34 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: CUPS support coming for OS/2 and eComStation Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Ed Durrant ha scritto: >> Kris Steenhaut wrote: >>> Ed Durrant ha scritto: >>>> It was great to see in the latest Netlabs newsletter reference to a >>>> new project eCUPS >>>> >>>> http://svn dot netlabs dot org/ecups >>>> >>>> Whose aim is to bring the Common Unix Printer Support (CUPS) to OS/2 >>>> and eComStation ! >>>> >>>> Hoping that the CUPS configuration files that work under Unix or >>>> Linux will work under the final OS2/eCS version, means that one >>>> MAJOR problem for eComStation (finding printers that are able to be >>>> attached to OS/2 or eComStation systems) may be addressed. Not all >>>> printers have CUPS drivers but an aweful lot more have CUPS drivers >>>> than have OS/2 drivers ! >>>> >>>> Great News !! >>>> >>>> >>> Hope so. >>> >>> Although I wonder now what could have happened to the win32 printer >>> project. >>> >>> >> I suspect we have a greater chance of success with a port of CUPS that >> with WIN32PRN. I did some testing for the WIN32PRN project and it's a >> very complex (and hence "fragile" - i.e. one small change and it wont >> work) solution. >> > So it looks like the CUPS thing will be a major breakthrough. The > WIN32PRN project isn't (wasn't ?) a Netlabs project, is it? > > I think what you say is correct - I can't remember if any organisation like Netlabs was/is backing Win32Prn or not. I hope this is a major breakthrough. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:04:17 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting Hi Those of you who visited my "computer room" during a MelbPC OS/2 Users Group outing many years ago, might remember it looking something like this :- With ISDN lines, and a couple of clients hosted servers. A few years ago I re arranged it, and amalgamated the servers, and finally I've gotten around to taking some photos, see below. Looks a bit bare now :-) The top computer is ns1 dot comkal dot net, with secondary mailserver/ircd and primary dns, the case is one I shoehorned a replacement motherboard into back in 1998, for anyone that thinks it reminds them of an ancient 3Com Terminal Server :-) The bottom computer has everything else, mail/ftp/http/smtp/pop/dns/lists mysql/perl etc. A second ADSL is fed into the network from upstairs, which will move downstairs when I get around to rewiring. The TP network cabling comes in on the board under the power points. If one fails, its all replicated on the other. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Never test the depth of the water with both feet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:14:30 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: os2 dot org dot au's (comkal dot net) hosting Ian Manners wrote: > Hi > > Those of you who visited my "computer room" during a MelbPC OS/2 Users > Group outing many years ago, might remember it looking something like this :- > > With ISDN lines, > and a couple of clients hosted servers. > > A few years ago I re arranged it, and amalgamated the servers, and finally > I've gotten around to taking some photos, see below. > > > > > > Looks a bit bare now :-) > > The top computer is ns1 dot comkal dot net, with secondary mailserver/ircd and > primary dns, the case is one I shoehorned a replacement motherboard > into back in 1998, for anyone that thinks it reminds them of an ancient > 3Com Terminal Server :-) > > The bottom computer has everything else, mail/ftp/http/smtp/pop/dns/lists > mysql/perl etc. A second ADSL is fed into the network from upstairs, > which will move downstairs when I get around to rewiring. The TP > network cabling comes in on the board under the power points. > > If one fails, its all replicated on the other. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > Never test the depth of the water with both feet. > > Hi Ian, Thanks for this insight into your computer room. I suspect I may have more computer & comms equipment in my home Office than you do in your data centre now ! Are the servers OS/2 or Linux ?? It might be nice for you right a breif article for os2ezine or voice on the setup if you have the time, since you and your os2site dot com are well known in the OS/2 & eComStation community. Cheers/2 Ed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------