From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:01:49 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1451 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 28 February 2007 Number 1451 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: eCS 2.0 : Mike O'Connor 2 Re: eCS 2.0 : Ed Durrant 3 Re: Mplayer : Alan Duval 4 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Ed Durrant 5 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Ian Manners" 6 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Ed Durrant 7 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Ian Manners" 8 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Kris Steenhaut 9 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Kris Steenhaut 10 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Kris Steenhaut 11 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Alan Duval 12 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Mike O'Connor 13 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Kris Steenhaut 14 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Kris Steenhaut 15 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Alan Duval 16 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Mike O'Connor 17 Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) : Kris Steenhaut **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:35:57 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: eCS 2.0 (cc'ed Cliff Scott, Ed Durrant) Leigh Bunting wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone done any crystal-ball gazing on when eCS 2 is likely to hit > the streets? This year? Next year? > > The light has gone out in my crystal ball and cf tubes don't fit ;-) > Hi Leigh, I don't think that it will be very long indeed, although I seem to have found out a bug in Beta4, whereby, (possibly by selecting inclusion of eSchemes?), all the primary root folders, with the exception of the Desktop/Maintenance Desktop and a few others, and sub-folders of those - all open in tree-view with "SHOWALLINTREEVIEW=YES;" which means that when clicking on a "+" in a WPS tree-view, in addition to non-hidden/system files in the root showing up in the container, all the files in that folder, and all other expanded folders also as included, and the scroll-bar slider shrinks to a mere fraction of its normal size! All those that have a new class of WPFolderEx, AFAICT. One can only imagine how long it takes for a folder containing e.g. 5,000 *.mp3 files to become populated in tree-view! I'm just about to do another test-install with that item deselected to verify my suspicions. Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:00:21 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: eCS 2.0 Leigh Bunting wrote: > Hi All, > > Has anyone done any crystal-ball gazing on when eCS 2 is likely to hit > the streets? This year? Next year? > > The light has gone out in my crystal ball and cf tubes don't fit ;-) > Presently testing eComStation Beta4 - in non-SMP mode everything appears to be production ready. I have heard there will most likely be a release candidate 1 and if that is OK, then the GA release. My Crystal ball suggests on this basis, release mid-year - but that's just my opinion - I have not heard anything official. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 04:59:33 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Mplayer Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Alan > > > >>At your suggestion I downloaded wvgui1.01.wpi from netlabs but >>clicking on it just brings up a text editor with a lot of hieroglyphics >>on it . So what download is needed? >> >> > >Warp Installer >e=all&sort=date&dir=%2F> > > I have Warpin-1-0-14 installed and have installed other *.wpi programs with it but it won't install the wvgui1.01.wpi program. I went to the German site and downloaded the zip file and installed Warpvision but it doesn't work. When I try to open a *.wmv file or an *.mp3 file I only get a black screen. As the instructions said, I have put the npwv.dll file in the mozilla plugins folder. I have also downloaded wincodecs and system.ini from netlabs but the readme says that wincodecs has to be copied to SYSTEM32 and I don't know how to install ODIN as I'm not sure which file I need to download. Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:36:10 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Alan Duval wrote: > Ian Manners wrote: > >> Hi Alan >> >> >> >>> At your suggestion I downloaded wvgui1.01.wpi from netlabs but >>> clicking on it just brings up a text editor with a lot of >>> hieroglyphics on it . So what download is needed? >>> >> >> Warp Installer >> > >> e=all&sort=date&dir=%2F> >> >> > I have Warpin-1-0-14 installed and have installed other *.wpi programs > with it but it won't install the wvgui1.01.wpi program. > I went to the German site and downloaded the zip file and installed > Warpvision but it doesn't work. When I try to open a *.wmv file or an > *.mp3 file I only get a black screen. > As the instructions said, I have put the npwv.dll file in the mozilla > plugins folder. > I have also downloaded wincodecs and system.ini from netlabs but the > readme says that wincodecs has to be copied to SYSTEM32 > and I don't know how to install ODIN as I'm not sure which file I need > to download. > > Alan > > > First of all, is it possible that you are simply clicking on the WPI file and it's not installing ? If so change the name to take out the excess dots - e.g. rename it to WVGUI101.wpi and I think you'll be fine. On to Warp Vision - to play video files (including some DVDs) the os/2 native components do no require ODIN to be installed. However if you wish to use video formats that are only supported through windows Codecs, you do need to download the last full version of ODIN, install it, then download the latest update build (a zip file) and unzip that over the ODIN you installed. The wincodecs that you download for WarpVision go into the ODIN\System32 directory. While you can set up Mozilla based browsers to call WarpVision using npwv.dll, however I find better approach is to down load the firefox extention (an XPI file) called Mediaplayerconnectivity, version 0.8.3 or later. In this extention you can select which program you want to use for each of the common media formats. And last but not least, always delete video2.ini before upgrading WarpVision to the latest version. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:01:53 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Hi Alan Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called 'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called \innowin\system32, if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. ie, my innowin directory is 'D:\innowin\system32', and this was/is used by OpenOffice, Acrobat Reader, and Java v1.4.x from Innotek. I also added D:\innowin\system32 to both my path and dpath in config.sys Cheers Ian Manners Tech Fossil (Often called a Dinosaur) - ancient animal that gets things done http://www.os2site dot com/ turn both ways. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:25:50 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Ian Manners wrote: > Hi Alan > > Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x > or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called > 'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised > version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install > odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called \innowin\system32, > if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided > system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. > > ie, my innowin directory is 'D:\innowin\system32', and this was/is > used by OpenOffice, Acrobat Reader, and Java v1.4.x from > Innotek. > > I also added D:\innowin\system32 to both my path and dpath in config.sys > > Cheers > Ian Manners > Tech Fossil (Often called a Dinosaur) - ancient animal that gets things done > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > turn both ways. > > > So this will work with Innowin as well ? I've often thought if we could avoid having to install both it'd be great, of course ODIN is far more up to date than Innowin, so there are a lot of Win32 applications that work with ODIN but not Innowin. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:39:15 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Hi Ed >So this will work with Innowin as well ? I've often thought if we could >avoid having to install both it'd be great, of course ODIN is far more >up to date than Innowin, so there are a lot of Win32 applications that >work with ODIN but not Innowin. Works here, so does updating Innowin with the files from Odin :-) Though your milage may vary due to the other programs you use so the standard "backup before you do it" just in case applies. Cheers Ian Manners Tech Fossil (Often called a Dinosaur) - ancient animal that gets things done http://www.os2site dot com/ en you're Screaming in Digital! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:26:21 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Ed Durrant ha scritto: > > While you can set up Mozilla based browsers to call WarpVision using > npwv.dll, however I find better approach is to down load the firefox > extention (an XPI file) called Mediaplayerconnectivity, version 0.8.3 > or later. In this extention you can select which program you want to > use for each of the common media formats. Yes, but that doesn't corconvent the need to download the entire file before reproduction can begin, does it? Or I'm I that terrible wrong? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:27:49 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Ian Manners ha scritto: > Hi Alan > > Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x > or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called > 'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised > version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install > odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called \innowin\system32, > if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided > system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. > > And in that way, how do we start a win app? -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:33:38 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Ian Manners ha scritto: > Hi Ed > > >> So this will work with Innowin as well ? I've often thought if we could >> avoid having to install both it'd be great, of course ODIN is far more >> up to date than Innowin, so there are a lot of Win32 applications that >> work with ODIN but not Innowin. >> > > Works here, so does updating Innowin with the files from Odin :-) > But Innowin won't be updated anymore whereas Odin.exe is, I assume. Right/wrong? Also I have in that innowin directory only 4 executables: 9-11-05 16:16 139.202 0 ---- uinst001.exe 9-07-04 13:43 30.086 0 ---- iwquery.exe 9-07-04 13:43 33.234 0 ---- tzconfig.exe 9-10-98 15:45 306.688 0 ---- IsUninst.exe So it isn't at all clear, at least to me, how on Earth I have to start a win app from there. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:39:52 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Ed Durrant wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: > >> Ian Manners wrote: >> >>> Hi Alan >>> >>> >>> >>>> At your suggestion I downloaded wvgui1.01.wpi from netlabs but >>>> clicking on it just brings up a text editor with a lot of >>>> hieroglyphics on it . So what download is needed? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Warp Installer >>> >> >>> e=all&sort=date&dir=%2F> >>> >>> >> I have Warpin-1-0-14 installed and have installed other *.wpi >> programs with it but it won't install the wvgui1.01.wpi program. >> I went to the German site and downloaded the zip file and installed >> Warpvision but it doesn't work. When I try to open a *.wmv file or an >> *.mp3 file I only get a black screen. >> As the instructions said, I have put the npwv.dll file in the mozilla >> plugins folder. >> I have also downloaded wincodecs and system.ini from netlabs but the >> readme says that wincodecs has to be copied to SYSTEM32 >> and I don't know how to install ODIN as I'm not sure which file I >> need to download. >> >> Alan > >> >> > >> > First of all, is it possible that you are simply clicking on the WPI > file and it's not installing ? If so change the name to take out the > excess dots - e.g. rename it to WVGUI101.wpi and I think you'll be fine. Yes! that worked, although I had already downloaded the zip file and installed it. > On to Warp Vision - to play video files (including some DVDs) the os/2 > native components do not require ODIN to be installed. However if you > wish to use video formats that are only supported through windows > Codecs, you do need to download the last full version of ODIN, install > it, then download the latest update build (a zip file) and unzip that > over the ODIN you installed. The wincodecs that you download for > WarpVision go into the ODIN\System32 directory. I downloaded and installed ODIN via the warpin installer. I can't seem to get any update later than the 2005-06-26 zip, so installed that, I think (as an error message came up at the end saying that a file couldn't be found, Have copied the wincodecs into the ODIN\System32 directory. ?? How does Warpvision or Mplayer or KMP use the wincodecs? > > > While you can set up Mozilla based browsers to call WarpVision using > npwv.dll, however I find better approach is to down load the firefox > extention (an XPI file) called Mediaplayerconnectivity, version 0.8.3 > or later. In this extention you can select which program you want to > use for each of the common media formats. Downloaded and installed it but then Firefox2 wouldn't start and I had to reinstall it. However even though I selected the Warpvision program in the configure window for Windows media it wouldn't play selected *.wmv files > > And last but not least, always delete video2.ini before upgrading > WarpVision to the latest version. As WarpVision is not being developed any further I don't think I'll have to worry. BTW K Movie Player works quite well but won't play DVD's. Cheers, Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:41:28 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Ian Manners ha scritto: >> Hi Alan >> >> Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x >> or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called >> 'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised >> version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install >> odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called >> \innowin\system32, >> if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided >> system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. >> >> > And in that way, how do we start a win app? > Hi kris, With \ar5os2.exe , as usual, I imagine. Regards, Mike P.S. I have your other message in composition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:55:54 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Alan Duval ha scritto: >> >> And last but not least, always delete video2.ini before upgrading >> WarpVision to the latest version. > > As WarpVision is not being developed any further I don't think I'll > have to worry. > Indeed, but nevertheless that file tends to be corrupted rather sooner than later, so you'll have to delete it anyway every now and then. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:07:06 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Mike O'Connor ha scritto: > Kris Steenhaut wrote: >> Ian Manners ha scritto: >>> Hi Alan >>> >>> Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x >>> or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called >>> 'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised >>> version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install >>> odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called >>> \innowin\system32, >>> if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided >>> system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. >>> >>> >> And in that way, how do we start a win app? >> > Hi kris, > > With \ar5os2.exe , as usual, I imagine. > Thanks that works for now, but ... given the fact it's in the directory D:\Acrobaat\Acrobaat51 where do I have to put the \system32 files? To begin with, there is no \system32 directory around (or better down) the Innotek directories. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:17:47 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Alan > >Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x >or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called >'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised >version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install >odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called \innowin\system32, > > I have found innowin in C:\Programs\Innowin When opened there is a folder 'System' but no folder 'System32' Have already installed Odin so should I uninstall it? If so, should I copy the 'System32' folder over to 'Innowin' ? >if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided >system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. > > There is a system.ini file in the Odin directory. Should I replace it with the one that comes with wincodecs if I don't delete Odin? >ie, my innowin directory is 'D:\innowin\system32', and this was/is >used by OpenOffice, Acrobat Reader, and Java v1.4.x from >Innotek. > >I also added D:\innowin\system32 to both my path and dpath in config.sys > Regards, Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:25:55 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Mike O'Connor ha scritto: >> Kris Steenhaut wrote: >>> Ian Manners ha scritto: >>>> Hi Alan >>>> >>>> Further to what Ed has stated re Odin, if you have Open Office v1.x >>>> or other Innotek items such as Java, you might have a directory called >>>> 'Innowin' on your harddrive somewere. This is a slightly customised >>>> version of Odin, and if you do have this directory, DO NOT install >>>> odin, simply check that there is a subdirectory called >>>> \innowin\system32, >>>> if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided >>>> system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. >>> And in that way, how do we start a win app? >> Hi kris, >> >> With \ar5os2.exe , as usual, I imagine. > Thanks that works for now, but ... > > given the fact it's in the directory > > D:\Acrobaat\Acrobaat51 > > where do I have to put the \system32 files? To begin with, there is no > \system32 directory around (or better down) the Innotek directories. Kris, Make a System32 directory in the \programs\innowin tree or equivalent. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:28:52 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: WarpVision (Was: Mplayer) Alan Duval ha scritto: >> >> > I have found innowin in C:\Programs\Innowin > When opened there is a folder 'System' but no folder 'System32' Thanks for having that confirmed. > Have already installed Odin so should I uninstall it? If so, should I > copy the 'System32' folder over to 'Innowin' ? I would like you to advise to wait till the knowledgeables can manage to give wome explanation at simple human being's level. Anyway, as "ar5os.exe" seems to be the key file, there is no reason at all to ditch Odin as we are sure for 100 % that file ar5os2.exe never won't be updated anymore. > >> if so copy the codecs to there, and either copy or add the provided >> system.ini entry's/file to the innowin directory. >> >> > There is a system.ini file in the Odin directory. Should I replace it > with the one that comes with wincodecs if I don't delete Odin? > Same advice. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------