From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:01:06 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1548 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Tuesday 11 September 2007 Number 1548 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Clock problems : Alan Duval 2 Re: Clock problems : Mike O'Connor 3 Re: Clock problems : Mike O'Connor 4 Re: Clock problems : Voytek Eymont" 5 Re: Clock problems : Voytek Eymont" 6 Re: Clock problems : The Barrows 7 Re: Clock problems : Ken Laurie 8 Re: Clock problems : Mike O'Connor 9 Re: Clock problems : Alan Duval **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:56:49 +1000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Clock problems Hi, Over the last couple of weeks the time on my computer has been altering by a couple of hours and I have to reset it but then after a day or two the same thing happens. I haven't altered anything so why should this happen? Regards, Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:19:59 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Clock problems Alan Duval wrote: > Hi, > > Over the last couple of weeks the time on my computer has been > altering by a couple of hours and I have to reset it but then after a > day or two the same thing happens. I haven't altered anything so why > should this happen? > > Regards, > > Alan Duval Hi Alan, Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and always have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT with full 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple ASCII initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - I just use time-a.nist.gov! Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:33:29 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Clock problems Mike O'Connor wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Over the last couple of weeks the time on my computer has been >> altering by a couple of hours and I have to reset it but then after a >> day or two the same thing happens. I haven't altered anything so why >> should this happen? >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Duval > Hi Alan, > > Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and > always have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT > with full 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! > you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple > ASCII initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - > I just use time-a.nist.gov! > Further to above, if you happen to use the ECSClock, for example to run the Scheduler/Task Planner, you can continue to do so, but just disable synchronization and adjusting clocks and changing config.sys entries in the notebook for worldclk.exe -- just run clkbasic.exe in the config.sys and rem out its other entries there also. Worldclk.exe will use the time provided by settime.exe. Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:41:40 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Clock problems > Over the last couple of weeks the time on my computer has been altering > by a couple of hours and I have to reset it but then after a day or two the > same thing happens. I haven't altered anything so why should this happen? hhhmmmm... last Wednesday, I was on my old office PC, that PC is now on dial up, every so often, I dial up to the net, it so happened, that last Wed. I did dial up even more curiously, I was curious if my PC clock is accurate, so, I thought I'd 'time sync it' (1st time in ages) so I did much to my amazement, rather than correcting by perhaps few secs... the clock went forward by about 20 minutes... from about 16:55 to 17:18... I tried again, and, it regressed somewhat, still perhaps 10 minutes fast.... in the end, I think ? I hand corrected it... or maybe I daytimed it... don't recall now hhhmmmm... what time source/time client do you use ? I normally use daytime/daytimed, but, this time I've used os2_ntpd -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:21 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Clock problems > > Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and always > have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT with full > 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! > you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple ASCII > initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - I just use > time-a.nist.gov! Mike is that what you use ? 0[roman][E:\]set tz TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 btw, fwiw, I run this from startup: start "TimeClock" /min /c daytime -c 21600 -s -u au.pool.ntp dot org >> clock..log start "TimeServer" /min /c daytimed -S -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:55:02 +1000 From: The Barrows Subject: Re: Clock problems Alan, It could be a symptom of the battery on the motherboard going flat. Some / many new boards have a capacitor now but there are still plenty that use a big watch battery. Regards, Michael Mike O'Connor wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Over the last couple of weeks the time on my computer has been >> altering by a couple of hours and I have to reset it but then after a >> day or two the same thing happens. I haven't altered anything so why >> should this happen? >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Duval > Hi Alan, > > Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and > always have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT > with full 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! > you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple > ASCII initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - > I just use time-a.nist.gov! > > Regards, > Mike > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:23:15 +1000 From: Ken Laurie Subject: Re: Clock problems Voytek I have the following as my TZ SET TZ=AEST-10AEDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 and I use the ecs clock eClock 2.02 Build 20030719.1 to set my time against my internal server which now happens to be Linux. regards Ken Voytek Eymont wrote: > > >> Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and always >> have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT with full >> 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! >> you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple ASCII >> initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - I just use >> time-a.nist.gov! > > > Mike > > is that what you use ? > > 0[roman][E:\]set tz > TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > > btw, fwiw, I run this from startup: > > start "TimeClock" /min /c daytime -c 21600 -s -u au.pool.ntp dot org >> clock..log > start "TimeServer" /min /c daytimed -S > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:46:20 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Clock problems Voytek Eymont wrote: > >> Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and always >> have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT with full >> 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! >> you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple ASCII >> initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - I just use >> time-a.nist.gov! > > Mike > > is that what you use ? > > 0[roman][E:\]set tz > TZ=EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 > > btw, fwiw, I run this from startup: > > start "TimeClock" /min /c daytime -c 21600 -s -u au.pool.ntp dot org >> clock.log > start "TimeServer" /min /c daytimed -S Hi Voytek, Yes I use settime.exe exclusively now - I used to use Time868.exe, but it won't accept other than 3-character mnemonics - and I don't like using the ambiguous EST - that's always (US) EST to me, because a lot of software ignores the -10 parameter as soon as it sees EST! Currently eComStation unfortunately allocates AST for AEST, but AST is Atlantic Standard Time [UTC-0400]! [T:\DESKTOP]set tz TZ=AEST-10 [T:\DESKTOP] I've attached privately my settings file along with the executable - the settings file is self-documented - it's all ASCII, and I provided quite a lot of input to the author at Bulletron, Patrick Gleason aka Isadore D. Kaye [the IDK in www.idkcomp dot com/bulletron.html]. I was unable to get in contact with the authors of other time-setting programs (NTP), and found they are no longer current with reference to the large scale changes in the start/stop times of Daylight Savings Time in various parts of the world. My logs show nothing greater than ~+- 1 second on a routine basis, and as it's the OS that's doing the clock-keeping whilst powered on , not the CMOS-RTC, I get no drift, even on one machine whose CMOS battery loses all (non-ESCD) BIOS settings after a relatively short period fully powered off. Regards, Mike P.S. I've got to go sleep now!! zzzzzzz! See you later. [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:18:17 +1000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Clock problems Mike O'Connor wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Over the last couple of weeks the time on my computer has been >> altering by a couple of hours and I have to reset it but then after a >> day or two the same thing happens. I haven't altered anything so why >> should this happen? >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Duval > > Hi Alan, > > Haven't a clue - but why not just get settime.zip from hobbes and > always have correctly synchronized time - and be able to use AEST/AEDT > with full 4-character mnemonics in your SET TZ string! > you can synch it at whatever daily frequency you want - via a simple > ASCII initialisation file, and choose whatever time-server you want - > I just use time-a.nist.gov! > > Regards, > Mike Thanks Mike, Voytek, Ken & The Barrows for the suggestions. If this keeps happening I will follow Mikes suggestion but if that doesn't work I will check whether my MB has a battery that needs changing. Regards, Alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------