From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:01:47 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1568 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 20 October 2007 Number 1568 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Mike O'Connor 2 Interesting : Dennis Nolan 3 Re: Small or large business OS/2 users : Glenn Montgomery 4 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Ed Durrant 5 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Ian Manners" 6 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Peter Moylan 7 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Voytek Eymont" 8 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Voytek Eymont" 9 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Mike O'Connor 10 Strange effect on Bunnings website : Ed Durrant 11 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Ed Durrant 12 Re: Strange effect on Bunnings website : Mike O'Connor 13 Re: Strange effect on Bunnings website : Ian Manners" 14 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Mike O'Connor 15 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Ed Durrant 16 Re: Moving program objects between systems : Ian Manners" 17 Re: Strange effect on Bunnings website : Peter A Jenkins **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:46:12 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer program objects > from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2) desktop on the same > system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping > does not work. > > Cheers/2 Hi Ed, Object Desktop Package when available ( :'( ) or as already mentioned Unimaint (portable backup) Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:56:36 +1000 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Interesting I just come across this interesting information of how an ISP in the USA is messing around with it's customers. http://machinist.salon dot com/blog/2007/10/19/comcast/index.html Regards Dennis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:01:44 +1000 From: Glenn Montgomery Subject: Re: Small or large business OS/2 users Hi all, I know that Heritage Building Society used OS/2, even at it terminals at the customer service counter. That was a little while ago now so don't know their current situation. And then there was a Bank of Qld ATM which was NOT running os/2 recently that took my money but kept rebooting with the ever familiar :'( hourglass. Mind you I didn't get the cash, only the debit :-( . Cheers, Glenn. Ian Manners wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Anyone know any companies that used to, might, or still do, > use OS/2 of any version ? > > Coles use to but I've noticed there checkouts appear to be > using something else now. Also CBA have long gone over > to the darkside but I dont know if they ever replaced there > branch servers which also use to be OS/2, though I assume > so. > > Ditto Atlas Copco, Westrac. > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > "Remember folks. Street lights timed for 35 mph are also timed for 70 mph." -- Jim Samuels > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:58:47 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Ian > > Unimaint :-) > > The other way I've done it in the past was to rar up c:\desktop, unrar > it on d:\ on the other PC, then open the D:\desktop and drap and drop, > so I'm surprised that it doesnt work for you unless your not coping > attributes/EA's for some reason. > Well my situation is that If I open the desktop folder on the C: (Warp 4) system while running eCS 2.0 from drive D: firstly not all objects are displayed and when I copy them across and folder are empty and sometimes program objects come across and work, sometimes not. I don't want to transfer the complete desktop as for one I don't want Seamonkey or Firefox to come across as the versions on my Warp system can handle Flash, which the fresh install on eCS 2.0 (plus modified plugin) does work. There used to be a rexx program that would back up all desktop objects and create another rexx file (that could be edited) to restore them on a different system. So it copied the object properties from os2.ini as well as the objects as far as I remember. > Mind you though, both those systems were originally unrar'ed from > the same image so the desktop ID would have been the same in both > to start with so I wonder if thats the problem. > > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:25:30 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Hi Ed, >There used to be a rexx program that would back up all desktop objects >and create another rexx file (that could be edited) to restore them on a >different system. So it copied the object properties from os2.ini as >well as the objects as far as I remember. I can remember a rexx file that did that but not sure which one it is its been so long. http://www.os2site dot com/sw/util/backup/dtbackup_.zip Simple backup of the OS/2 Desktop. This simple REXX script will create a recovery directory on the boot drive. Into this it will place ZIPped copies of the above files constituting the desktop. It will also include utilities which are useful when restoring the desktop. And various rexx util's in http://www.os2site dot com/sw/util/wps/backup/index.html Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:09:19 +1000 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Ed Durrant wrote: > can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer program objects > from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2) desktop on the same > system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping > does not work. It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called "Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. Before doing anything else, I'd suggest that you run CheckINI, which I think has a way of detecting which of the two desktops is the correct one. As for duplicated templates, I just go into the Templates folder and manually delete the redundant ones. Or sometimes I don't bother, because it's been years since I needed to access the templates folder. As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file. To use this you'd have to boot to Warp 4, run the packager, then boot to eCS and do the "unpackage" operation. Whether this will actually work is unclear to me. The packaging would have to be done so that cross-references between objects (e.g. between a program object and its icon) were made in a way that didn't use object IDs, because there will be no correlation at all between the numbers used as IDs in the two systems. -- Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org http://www.pmoylan dot org Note: Mail to and from hotmail addresses often doesn't arrive, and hotmail doesn't inform the sender about lost mail. Mail through standards-conforming mail servers is still reliable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:30:35 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer program objects >> from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2) desktop on the same >> system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping does >> not work. >> >> Cheers/2 >> > Hi Ed, > > > Object Desktop Package when available I might have some left... ( :'( ) or as already mentioned > Unimaint (portable backup) > > > Regards, > Mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > > > -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:44:42 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems > Ed Durrant wrote: > As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like > "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the > correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file. IIRC, that's part of Object Desktop (and, a very handy part) -- Voytek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:50:29 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Voytek Eymont wrote: > > >> Ed Durrant wrote: >> > > > >> As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like >> "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the >> correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file. >> > > IIRC, that's part of Object Desktop > (and, a very handy part) > > Hi Voytek, Peter, Ed, It sure is - an OS/2 Essential IMO! Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:58:53 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Strange effect on Bunnings website Hi, For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box covering this page that wont go aweay ? http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:03:33 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Peter Moylan wrote: > Ed Durrant wrote: > >> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer program objects >> from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2) desktop on the same >> system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping >> does not work. > > It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another > version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the > details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called > "Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. Indeed and in fact what I experienced is that even just opening and copying from the desktop directory on the other system, when I rebooted the OS/2 Warp 4 system - all the objects had changed their positions. As I always archive on startup the solution was simple, reboot, alt+F1 and restore an earlier desktop. > Before doing anything > else, I'd suggest that you run CheckINI, which I think has a way of > detecting which of the two desktops is the correct one. As for > duplicated templates, I just go into the Templates folder and manually > delete the redundant ones. Or sometimes I don't bother, because it's > been years since I needed to access the templates folder. > > As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like > "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the > correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file. > To use this you'd have to boot to Warp 4, run the packager, then boot to > eCS and do the "unpackage" operation. Whether this will actually work is > unclear to me. The packaging would have to be done so that > cross-references between objects (e.g. between a program object and its > icon) were made in a way that didn't use object IDs, because there will > be no correlation at all between the numbers used as IDs in the two > systems. > That's what I'm looking for and from what I remember that archival file was actually a rexx program that could be edited to remove whichever object you didn't want to transfer. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:23:21 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Strange effect on Bunnings website Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi, > > For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box > covering this page that wont go aweay ? > > http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx > > Cheers/2 Hi Ed, Yep, it's the same here - it comes up after selecting the respective store [using postcode] and it extends to include the area where the "TV" video plays and Magazine pages display - but doesn't obscure those! Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:24:46 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Strange effect on Bunnings website Hi Ed, > For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box >covering this page that wont go aweay ? > >http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx Yep, been like that for months if not longer. Useless website anyway, I just go in. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ Press any key except... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:38:38 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Ed Durrant wrote: > Peter Moylan wrote: >> Ed Durrant wrote: >>> can anyone recommend a program or process to tranfer program objects >>> from an OS/2 Warp 4 desktop to an eCS 2.0 (rc2) desktop on the same >>> system (just a different partition) ? Simply dragging and dropping >>> does not work. >> It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another >> version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the >> details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called >> "Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. > Indeed and in fact what I experienced is that even just opening and > copying from the desktop directory on the other system, when I > rebooted the OS/2 Warp 4 system - all the objects had changed their > positions. As I always archive on startup the solution was simple, > reboot, alt+F1 and restore an earlier desktop. That position changing doesn't happen with any of my multiple systems here! > >> Before doing anything >> else, I'd suggest that you run CheckINI, which I think has a way of >> detecting which of the two desktops is the correct one. As for >> duplicated templates, I just go into the Templates folder and manually >> delete the redundant ones. Or sometimes I don't bother, because it's >> been years since I needed to access the templates folder. >> >> As for copying the objects: there's an old program called something like >> "Object packager" (maybe that will trigger someone else's memory of the >> correct name) that lets you save objects in some sort of archival file. >> To use this you'd have to boot to Warp 4, run the packager, then boot to >> eCS and do the "unpackage" operation. Whether this will actually work is >> unclear to me. The packaging would have to be done so that >> cross-references between objects (e.g. between a program object and its >> icon) were made in a way that didn't use object IDs, because there will >> be no correlation at all between the numbers used as IDs in the two >> systems. >> > That's what I'm looking for and from what I remember that archival > file was actually a rexx program that could be edited to remove > whichever object you didn't want to transfer. > > > Cheers/2 > Hi Ed, With Object Desktop's Object Packages, on a "foreign" desktop where the volume-letter is different - one can either edit the package contents in the GUI, or export the contents as either a REXX script or an .RC file, both of which can have drive-letters globally changed, and the REXX route is the one I use here. When the original package is created one can specify whether object IDs and folder backgrounds etc., are maintained or not. The script can also be set up to validate the paths for executables etc., too, and running it gives one the choice of replacing/updating etc. It also registers all required classes for all the abstract objects that one can't manipulate between desktops. Let me know which objects you need to "clone", and I'll see which ones I can include in a script for you! Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:40:58 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Thanks for all the suggestions. The concensus appears to be UniMaint and checking on Mensys website, it states it will do exactly what I am looking to do, so I've put an order in for it. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:46:26 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Moving program objects between systems Hi Peter, >It's worse than "does not work". If you access the desktop of another >version via the WPS, it can screw up your INI files. I've forgotten the >details, but it's something like ending up with two objects both called >"Desktop", plus multiple redundant templates, etc. Before doing anything os2.ini keeps track of only one "DesktopID", so I cant see how that would happen. I've also never had a problem over the years in messing with my test systems that way either, ie, copying the folder over to another drive, or a directory on the other PC's C or boot drive and copying what I want off it. Though I normally dont have to worry about os2.ini files either. You can even try accessing it over a network connection on another OS/2 box and it opens fine, just did it to ns2 dot comkal dot net over the network. I've always thought it was a shame it didnt go further and also show you the running process's on the remote, guess thats what VNC is for. Though I also have noticed over the years that one OS/2 is rarely the same as another, so on someone elses system I would backup the desktop, os2*.ini files, C:\OS2\DLL\DOCK*.CFG, and C:\OS2\DLL\SCENTER.CFG just to play safe. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ MEETS ALL STANDARDS = Ours, not yours. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:27:12 +0930 From: Peter A Jenkins Subject: Re: Strange effect on Bunnings website Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi, > > For those with Flash working, do you find there is a large green box > covering this page that wont go aweay ? > > http://www.bunnings dot com dot au/services/305/Gas_Swap.aspx > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. > > > Yes Peter at Port Pirie -- May your moccasins leave tracks, on many mounds of worth, and walk with chiefs of every tribe who live in peace on earth. Peter A Jenkins (AKA grandad or pj) Port Pirie South Australia PROUD USER OF A VIRUS & MALWARE FREE OPERATING SYSTEM Serenity Systems "Ecomstation" ver 1.2, the successor to IBM's os/2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------