From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:00:46 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1598 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Friday 01 February 2008 Number 1598 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Intermittent problem : Alan Duval 2 Re: Intermittent problem : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 3 Re: Intermittent problem : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 4 Re: Intermittent problem : Alan Duval 5 Re: Intermittent problem : Alan Duval **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:08:38 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Intermittent problem Hi, My PC has a Gigabyte 7VT600P-RZ(-C) motherboard with VIA KT600 chipset and ATHLON XP 2800 processor. I have 3 HD's in separate removable cradles. One has eCs installed. One has WIN XP installed and the other has Linspire 6.0. I have this setup so that I can keep the OSes separate so that they can't affect one another.This has worked well until now. However I have had equipment failures lately. First my power supply blew up and had to be replaced. Then my keyboard packed up. Then started to get intermittent sudden shutdowns when using eCs 1.2. The problem seemed to be worse after I used my external HD (Western Digital 120 GB) and then forgot to disconnect it when I removed my HD containing eCs and inserted my HD with WIN XP and used WIN XP. However the shutdowns would still occur suddenly even without the external HD connected via USB socket but if I tried to do anything with the external HD connected a shutdown would occur. The problem didn't occur when WIN XP was being used. I then bought a new Samsung 250 GB HD and installed eCs from scratch. However a shutdown occurred at one stage after installation when the computer was going through it's initial booting stage before eCs was even starting. Anyhow I installed eCs and then all my programs which I zipped up and had copied to a DVD from my previous HD which were in a different partition to eCs. Last night I went back to the original HD and copied my inbox and bookmarks folders and some other information files to USB sticks and then changed to the HD with my new eCs installation and copied these to their respective folders. everything was working perfectly and I retired happily. However today a sudden shutdown occurred when booting eCs but after switching off the PC at the wall and waiting a while I was able to boot to eCs and install Virtual PC.. Then this afternoon I started the PC but during the booting stage it shutdown. I tried numerous times and sometimes could boot to eCs but when I attempted to do anything it would shutdown again. The problem doesn't occur when I use WIN XP or Linspire which I have on HDs in other removable cradles. This suggests that the removable cradle may be at fault but my new HD is in a different removable cradle to my original HD and the problem occurs with eCs on both HDs. My local computer repairer has no idea what the problem is. BTW when these sudden shutdowns occur I can't start the PC unless I switch off at the main power point then wait a minute before switching on at the power point and then pressing the PC's start button. Can anyone suggest how I can solve this problem? Regards, Alan Duval [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:50:41 +1100 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: Intermittent problem Hi Alan, I have seen this before. more lower down..... On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:08:38 +1100, Alan Duval wrote: > Hi, > My PC has a Gigabyte 7VT600P-RZ(-C) motherboard with VIA KT600 chipset > and ATHLON XP 2800 processor. I have 3 HD's in separate removable > cradles. One has eCs installed. One has WIN XP installed and the other > has Linspire 6.0. I have this setup so that I can keep the OSes separate > so that they can't affect one another. This has worked well until now. > shutdown again. The problem doesn't occur when I use WIN XP or Linspire > which I have on HDs in other removable cradles. This suggests that the > removable cradle may be at fault but my new HD is in a different > removable cradle to my original HD and the problem occurs with eCs on > both HDs. My local computer repairer has no idea what the problem is. > BTW when these sudden shutdowns occur I can't start the PC unless I > switch off at the main power point then wait a minute before switching > on at the power point and then pressing the PC's start button. The requirement to switch off at the 240 volt power MAY indicate that the new power supply has isolated itself because it "thinks" a short circuit has occurred. Or, a break in the circuit which then came back on. ie, an intermittent or loose connection. Either will result with the power supply isolating itself. > Can anyone suggest how I can solve this problem? > > Regards, > Alan Duval I suggest you simplify your system (temporarily) by removing the cradle entirely when you want to try eCS. Connect the eCS hard drive directly to the ide cable and make sure all of the power connectors are tight. One of them may be loose. In the whit block of four power connections, if one or more are loose, it can cause the problem. Unfortunately, it is not easy to tell, try squeezing ALL of them to make a bit tighter. Could also be a fault in the crimping of the connector itself (not likely). Could also be a fault with the main body that holds and connects to the cradle, there is a lot of variation in cradles. Seeming identical cradles will give variable results. I hate the damn things.! Particularly the plastic ones.! HTH, Robert Traynor (BobT). 1 February 2008 19:46 ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor.removeme at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:04:14 +1100 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: Intermittent problem On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:08:38 +1100, Alan Duval wrote: > However I have had equipment failures lately. First my power supply blew > up and had to be replaced. Then my keyboard packed up. It would also be a help if you could post details of make and model of your new power supply, also wattage. If the USB has any relevance to your problem then it may indicate a problem with the 5 volt output of the new power supply. It could also be a coincidence. You also did not state exactly what the problem was with the keyboard. Symptoms of the keyboard.? Or did it just not work at all.? No lights.? Note: The keyboard is also fed off a 5 volt supply. (See other email.) Are you using a UPS.? HTH, Robert Traynor (BobT). 1 February 2008 20:03 ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor.removeme at removeme.optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:36:25 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Intermittent problem Hi Bob, Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: > Hi Alan, > > I have seen this before. > more lower down..... > > > On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:08:38 +1100, Alan Duval wrote: > >> Hi, >> My PC has a Gigabyte 7VT600P-RZ(-C) motherboard with VIA KT600 chipset >> and ATHLON XP 2800 processor. I have 3 HD's in separate removable >> cradles. One has eCs installed. One has WIN XP installed and the other >> has Linspire 6.0. I have this setup so that I can keep the OSes separate >> so that they can't affect one another. This has worked well until now. >> > > > > >> shutdown again. The problem doesn't occur when I use WIN XP or Linspire >> which I have on HDs in other removable cradles. This suggests that the >> removable cradle may be at fault but my new HD is in a different >> removable cradle to my original HD and the problem occurs with eCs on >> both HDs. My local computer repairer has no idea what the problem is. >> BTW when these sudden shutdowns occur I can't start the PC unless I >> switch off at the main power point then wait a minute before switching >> on at the power point and then pressing the PC's start button. >> > > The requirement to switch off at the 240 volt power MAY indicate that the > new power supply has isolated itself because it "thinks" a short circuit > has occurred. Or, a break in the circuit which then came back on. > ie, an intermittent or loose connection. Either will result with the power > supply isolating itself. > > > >> Can anyone suggest how I can solve this problem? >> >> Regards, >> Alan Duval >> > > I suggest you simplify your system (temporarily) by removing the cradle > entirely when you want to try eCS. Connect the eCS hard drive directly > to the ide cable and make sure all of the power connectors are tight. > One of them may be loose. In the whit block of four power connections, > if one or more are loose, it can cause the problem. > > Unfortunately, it is not easy to tell, try squeezing ALL of them to make a > bit tighter. > > Could also be a fault in the crimping of the connector itself (not likely). > > Could also be a fault with the main body that holds and connects to > the cradle, there is a lot of variation in cradles. Seeming identical > cradles will give variable results. > > I hate the damn things.! Particularly the plastic ones.! > Just had a shutdown when I started Linspire again. I had just opened your letter when a shutdown occurred. On rebooting the first error message was: hda: time out waiting for DMA hda: no DRQ after using multiwrite_EXT cpufreq A number of other error messages followed but I couldn't write them down. Then the booting stopped at the lines: buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 9770669 loading kernel modules OK loading manual drivers OK activating swap scheduling buildpcmcia chmod: cannot access ' /etc/devices/conf_order/c?? buildpcmcia" no such file or directory I rebooted and this time Linspire was loaded. BTW I note that a single bip occurs from the PC at times. Does that mean anything? Tomorrow I'll remove the cradle and try a direct connectioin to my new HD. I'm wondering whether something drastic happened to the MB circuit when the power supply blew up. A bang occurred followed by the smell of burnt bakelite, so I knew it had to be the power supply. That was the power supply that you installed. I had had no trouble with the system until that occurred. I've forgotten the name of the new power supply but the local computer repairer says he uses a lot of them without problems. It's a higher voltage than the one you installed. Regards, Alan [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:43:05 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Intermittent problem Hi Bob, Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: > On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:08:38 +1100, Alan Duval wrote: > > > >> However I have had equipment failures lately. First my power supply blew >> up and had to be replaced. Then my keyboard packed up. >> > > > > It would also be a help if you could post details of make and model of your > new power supply, also wattage. If the USB has any relevance to your > problem then it may indicate a problem with the 5 volt output of the > new power supply. It could also be a coincidence. > I'll have to go back to the local PC shop to get the required details but won't be able to do so till Monday as I've got a lot to do tomorrow. > You also did not state exactly what the problem was with the keyboard. > Symptoms of the keyboard.? Or did it just not work at all.? No lights.? > Note: The keyboard is also fed off a 5 volt supply. (See other email.) > The keyboard didn't work at all. > Are you using a UPS.? > No. Regards, Alan [attachments have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------