From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 00:00:53 EST-10EDT,10,-1,0,7200,3,-1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1600 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 03 February 2008 Number 1600 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Intermittent problem : Ed Durrant 2 Re: Intermittent problem : Nicholas Lysaght" 3 Re: Intermittent problem : Alan Duval 4 Copyshop & Faxworks : Alan Duval 5 Re: Copyshop & Faxworks : Kris Steenhaut 6 Re: Copyshop & Faxworks : Alan Duval **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:15:31 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Intermittent problem John Angelico wrote: > On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:51:44 +1030, Paul Smedley wrote: > > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Ed Durrant wrote: >> >>> I just replaced my cheap $150 (4 years ago) UPS with a $79 one from eBay >>> - I then bought another for my wife's system. They've kicked in >>> perfectly three times in the last two months when the power has gone out >>> on the Penninsula (Central Coast NSW). These are Chinese built "CABAC" >>> 650DV2 units and power without issue my AMD X2 system, laptop, LCD >>> monitor (and CRT before it), VOIP ATA, WiFi access point, network >>> switch, ADSL 2+ modem and probably a couple of other devices I have >>> forgotten. The rule is however, NEVER connect a printer to the UPS, >>> (especially a laser printer), the surge they pull when starting up can >>> cause the UPS permanent damage. >>> >> Got any more details on these - the only ones I could see on ebay were >> $129.... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. >> > > > Uh, Ed. > > You might like to check their capabilities after three successful uses. > > UPSs have a limited capacity to work - absorb spikes, supply power as > designed - as their electronics eventually tire out. > > At work we had one heavy duty UPS for the server which conked out after > coping with 3 storms. The server went down during our fourth storm (before > Christmas). It had been in service for some years, but be warned, they do > eventually fail to do their job. > > It's better to learn that *before* you need to rely on them. :-) > > > Best regards > John Angelico > OS/2 SIG > os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or > talldad at kepl dot com dot au > ___________________ > > > I suspect test number 4 is about to hit them - we have a heavy storm coming through here at the moment. The Windows-only monitoring software on my wifes UPS reports everything working as normal. So at the moment I think they're OK - if not they are still under warrenty. If you had a commercial grade UPS fail after only 3 storms - I'd be changing manufacturer. At work, for small computer rooms, we always use APC (American Power Conversion) ones and they seem very reliable. The server ones are a little more expensive that competing models from other manufacturers but is the cost saving worth it if the UPS doesn't kick in ? In our large data centres we have custom built UPS systems - multiple - to allow for possible failure of two systems and have the complete DC continue running, with enormous (again redundant) diesel generators that start up within less than two minutes of a power outage - real heavy duty power on redundant power circuits to all servers - mind you we are talking about thousands of servers, and rooms of equipment and batteries, so the requirement is some what more critical than in a small computer room (where we would use an APC UPS in each rack). Not advertising here - simply experience (so far) has shown the large server APC UPSes are reliable - I'm not so sure about their small home models - they look a little "cheap and cheerie" but I haven't used those so I should not comment. APC used to supply OS/2 monitoring applications and support and in fact UPS software for some APC devices is included in the eComStation 2.0 RC4 image. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:32:22 +0900 From: "Nicholas Lysaght" Subject: Re: Intermittent problem Hi Ed and All. On Feb 3, 2008 9:15 AM, Ed Durrant wrote: > John Angelico wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:51:44 +1030, Paul Smedley wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Ed, > >> > >> Ed Durrant wrote: > >> > >>> I just replaced my cheap $150 (4 years ago) UPS with a $79 one from > eBay > >>> - I then bought another for my wife's system. They've kicked in > >>> perfectly three times in the last two months when the power has gone > out > >>> on the Penninsula (Central Coast NSW). These are Chinese built "CABAC" > >>> 650DV2 units and power without issue my AMD X2 system, laptop, LCD > >>> monitor (and CRT before it), VOIP ATA, WiFi access point, network > >>> switch, ADSL 2+ modem and probably a couple of other devices I have > >>> forgotten. The rule is however, NEVER connect a printer to the UPS, > >>> (especially a laser printer), the surge they pull when starting up can > >>> cause the UPS permanent damage. > >>> > >> Got any more details on these - the only ones I could see on ebay were > >> $129.... > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Paul. > >> > > > > > > Uh, Ed. > > > > You might like to check their capabilities after three successful uses. > > > > UPSs have a limited capacity to work - absorb spikes, supply power as > > designed - as their electronics eventually tire out. > > > > At work we had one heavy duty UPS for the server which conked out after > > coping with 3 storms. The server went down during our fourth storm > (before > > Christmas). It had been in service for some years, but be warned, they > do > > eventually fail to do their job. > > > > It's better to learn that *before* you need to rely on them. :-) > > > > > > Best regards > > John Angelico > > OS/2 SIG > > os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or > > talldad at kepl dot com dot au > > ___________________ > > > > > > > > > > I suspect test number 4 is about to hit them - we have a heavy storm > coming through here at the moment. > > The Windows-only monitoring software on my wifes UPS reports everything > working as normal. So at the moment I think they're OK - if not they are > still under warrenty. > > If you had a commercial grade UPS fail after only 3 storms - I'd be > changing manufacturer. At work, for small computer rooms, we always use > APC (American Power Conversion) ones and they seem very reliable. The > server ones are a little more expensive that competing models from other > manufacturers but is the cost saving worth it if the UPS doesn't kick in > ? In our large data centres we have custom built UPS systems - multiple > - to allow for possible failure of two systems and have the complete DC > continue running, with enormous (again redundant) diesel generators that > start up within less than two minutes of a power outage - real heavy > duty power on redundant power circuits to all servers - mind you we are > talking about thousands of servers, and rooms of equipment and > batteries, so the requirement is some what more critical than in a small > computer room (where we would use an APC UPS in each rack). > > Not advertising here - simply experience (so far) has shown the large > server APC UPSes are reliable - I'm not so sure about their small home > models - they look a little "cheap and cheerie" but I haven't used those > so I should not comment. > > APC used to supply OS/2 monitoring applications and support and in fact > UPS software for some APC devices is included in the eComStation 2.0 RC4 > image. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. We.ve been under the ubiquitous spell of Western Power. At 0315 Friday week ago, I heard the Opti UPS power surge go off. Even after disconnecting completely and placing it down at the back of our backyard, it screamed it's head off for 2 days, upsetting our galah and the local birds and my wife. :-) Oh, and we had another blackout on the same day, with no protection. Luckily all that did was to fire up the 300PL. No damage. Doug came to the rescue. This is what he wrote: --------------------------- I would see if you can get an APC Back UPS CS, or Back UPS ES. They have a USB connection, and there is a program, that works with them, using the USBECD driver (at HOBBES): http://apcusbm.narod.ru/Inst_BkUPSMon006b.wpi http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/system/drivers/misc/usbecd10.zip -------------------------- Fortunately, Austin are replacing my Opti UPS. I believe they can still be got in Sydney, and it does have "IBM OS2" (sic) (direct quote) drivers for it. You have to edit the files, and generally paly around before they work. However, Harris Tecnology (new in Perth.....well, new to me) have them and also can get a patch cord that changes an Aussie 3 angled pin to a Kettle Cord outlet, suitable to be plugged into an UPS. Good for some old scanners I know ...especially on the Surge Protoection only. If the OptiUPS doesn't get replaced, that's where I'll go. Hope this helps someone. Regards NICK > > > [attachments have been removed] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:28:47 +0000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Intermittent problem Robert Traynor (BobT) wrote: > > > > >>I have taken the new HD out of the removable cradle and connected >>directly. At present I am using my new eCs installation so will see >>whether the problem recurs. >> >> > >Good starting point. Always simplify a system when problem solving.! > > > > >>The local PC repair man says people get a lot of problems in the >>Peninsula area due to fluctuations in the electricity supply. >> >> > >Bingo.! UPS needed. Urgently.! > > >Damn, where are my UPS Company shares...! :-) :-) :-) > Hi Bob, I think that removable cradle was the problem as my system is now functioning normally. I hope it continues to do so. I was a little worried this am when the speakers gave two short sounds when I used my scanner as that usually heralded a sudden shutdown previously. Anyhow a shutdown didn't occur and I have been using eCs a lot since. My problem now will be how I can use WINXP and Linspire as they are on HD's in other cradles. Seems like the constant changing of the HD's must cause a poor connection as the setup had been working well for a long time. You said that the keyboard and the USB devices both use a 5v power supply. Does the DVD player also use 5v? I ask this as my problems were accentuated when I tried to image my system to a DVD using DFSee and RSJ and the system locked up and then shutdown. Many thanks for your help, Regards, Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:52:30 +0000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Copyshop & Faxworks Hi, Since installing eCs afresh on to a new HD, I can't get Copyshop to work. I reinstalled it but after booting again and trying to copy via my HP4P scanner an error message came up saying: Scanner problem Open failed: return Code=20 On checking the bootup text I noted that SCANHP1.SYS couldn't be found and wasn't loaded. However the file is in the right place (in C:\os2\boot) and the entries in config.sys all point to D:\copyshop where copyshop was installed, so I am mystified. I have TAME2 installed and can scan with it but have not been able to find out how to get it to scan to Faxworks as nothing happens when I select the FX print printer and do a scan to it. Copyshop was working well with eCs on my previuous HD and would immediately open faxworks. I think Voytek may be the one to advise me how to fox this as I know he uses Copyshop a lot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:00:24 +0100 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Copyshop & Faxworks Alan Duval ha scritto: > Hi, > > Since installing eCs afresh on to a new HD, I can't get Copyshop > to work. I reinstalled it but after booting again and trying to copy > via my HP4P scanner an error message came up saying: > Scanner problem > Open failed: return Code=20 > > On checking the bootup text I noted that SCANHP1.SYS couldn't be > found and wasn't loaded. However the file is in the right place (in > C:\os2\boot) and the entries in config.sys all point to D:\copyshop And what about scanos2.sys? IIRC it has to reside in \os2\boot too, with a full path entry in the config.sys. DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\SCANOS2.SYS /N -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:22:57 +0000 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Copyshop & Faxworks Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Alan Duval ha scritto: > >> Hi, >> >> Since installing eCs afresh on to a new HD, I can't get Copyshop >> to work. I reinstalled it but after booting again and trying to copy >> via my HP4P scanner an error message came up saying: >> Scanner problem >> Open failed: return Code=20 >> >> On checking the bootup text I noted that SCANHP1.SYS couldn't be >> found and wasn't loaded. However the file is in the right place (in >> C:\os2\boot) and the entries in config.sys all point to D:\copyshop > > And what about scanos2.sys? IIRC it has to reside in \os2\boot too, > with a full path entry in the config.sys. > > DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\SCANOS2.SYS /N > Thanks Kris. That line wasn't in Config.sys so I typed it in and Copyshop now works. I don't know why the installation didn't put it in since it put the other in and I've never had that problem before.. Also found how to fax from TAME2. Wheras Copyshop automatically opens FAXWORKS when it finishes scanning for a fax, TAME2 doesn't so it has to be opened. Question: If I copy my fax files from my previous HD to FAXWORKS in this installation will they be recognized? Regards, Alan Duval ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------