From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:01:11 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1681 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 27 July 2008 Number 1681 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? : Ian Manners" 2 Re: Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? : Chuck McKinnis 3 Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant 4 Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Paul Smedley 5 Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant 6 Re: Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? : Ian Manners" 7 Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : madodel 8 Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant 9 Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Ed Durrant 10 Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS : Kris Steenhaut **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:47:30 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? Hi All, Forwarded with permission of Alan. You can test your own ISP's DNS servers by going to :- (for those interested) ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:28:25 -0400 >From: Alan Clegg - Alan_Clegg at isc org >To: DNS BIND >Subject: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? > BIND-USERS, One issue about this exploit that I think a lot of people may be overlooking is the fact that it does not directly impact the OWNER of the DNS records in question, but the CONSUMERS of that data. As the owner of "my-cheap-rail-tickets-online dot com", you can patch everything you own, insure that your firewalls are perfect, and hire five extra DNS admins, but it's not going to help you keep your clients healthy and happy. Your clients are the mom-n-pop users -- the folks at the end of the ISP's feeding chain. The people that don't the difference between the US state code for Tennessee and the country code for Tunisia. The folks using "Billy Bob's Bait-and-Tackle (and Internet Stuff)" as a provider. Your business depends on Billy Bob getting his recursive servers fixed so that your customers can still get to your website (or the websites of your co-located customers, etc.) Does that scare anyone? It scares me.. a lot. How do we get out and inform Billy Bob that something that has been working just fine for years is suddenly not quite so perfect and that his customers might be affected. Additionally, Billy Bob's customers are going to be affected in ways that don't directly affect his operations, so it's hard to get him to understand why he needs to do anything. His customers will still be sending him the check every month even if their login information for "my-cheap-rail-tickets" was siphoned off to someone in a foreign land. By being on this list, you have proven that you actually are interested in the DNS infrastructure. If you look around, you won't see Billy Bob here, and yet, he affects YOUR customers, and by that, your profit margin (or reputation). What can we as the bind-users community do about Billy Bob? Have you contacted your local ISPs (or tested their servers since they well may be open recursors?) Have you pounded the pavement and talked to folks at your local users groups and tech gatherings about the problem? I'm willing for anyone to use my slides (http://alan.clegg dot com/800113) as the basis for spreading the word. Make presentations. Tell your friends. Tell your colleagues. TELL YOUR COMPETITION. I'm planning to have a video of me giving the presentation on-line soon so that the nuances of the presentation are more clear, but if you have any questions regarding it before then, please send me mail (off-list). The storm is coming.. have you done your part? AlanC ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:10:30 -0600 From: Chuck McKinnis Subject: Re: Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? I use opendns (http://www.opendns dot com/) as the dns server for my local router because I don't want users (mostly my wife and nephews and nieces) messing around in places they do not belong. Any comments appreciated. -- Chuck McKinnis 1449 State Highway 14 N Sandia Park, NM 87047 505-286-3191 http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/ The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. Psalm 24:1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:58:00 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS Hi, Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card. I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera. Any ideas ?? Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:27:53 +0930 From: Paul Smedley Subject: Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS Hi Ed, Ed Durrant wrote: > Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are > using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera can > connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the (SDHC) > card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow Fotoget/2 > or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly accessible from > Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same > issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card. > > I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera rejects > it as soon as I put it in the camera. > > Any ideas ?? Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should be able to download them straight to your hard drive. Cheers, Paul. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:55:54 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS Paul Smedley wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Ed Durrant wrote: >> Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are >> using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera >> can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the >> (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow >> Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly >> accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 >> driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card. >> >> I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera >> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera. >> >> Any ideas ?? > > Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should be > able to download them straight to your hard drive. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > > Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't remember what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my "point and shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have installed - I'll try Cameradie - thanks. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:40:31 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Fwd: The worst thing about the exploit -- Have you done your part? Hi Chuck, >I use opendns (http://www.opendns dot com/) as the dns server for my local >router because I don't want users (mostly my wife and nephews and >nieces) messing around in places they do not belong. Any comments >appreciated. OpenDNS is good. I have by own DNS servers, I dont use any upstream forwarders just straight to the root servers. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:40:09 -0400 From: madodel Subject: Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS Ed Durrant wrote: > Paul Smedley wrote: >> Hi Ed, >> >> Ed Durrant wrote: >>> Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are >>> using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera >>> can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even taking the >>> (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still does nor allow >>> Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It is directly >>> accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the OS/2 FAT32 >>> driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 GB card. >>> >>> I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera >>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera. >>> >>> Any ideas ?? >> >> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should be >> able to download them straight to your hard drive. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Paul. > >> >> > >> > Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't remember > what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my "point and > shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have installed - I'll try > Cameradie - thanks. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. I have a Nikon D40X. I have had no problems connecting to it or using a 4GB SDHC card in a USB card reader, but I use Netdrive FAT32 plugin. In both cases it is just a new drive letter that I can access via FileStar/2 or PMView. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:34:05 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS madodel wrote: > Ed Durrant wrote: >> Paul Smedley wrote: >>> Hi Ed, >>> >>> Ed Durrant wrote: >>>> Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they >>>> are using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The >>>> camera can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even >>>> taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still >>>> does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It >>>> is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the >>>> OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an >>>> 8 GB card. >>>> >>>> I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera >>>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera. >>>> >>>> Any ideas ?? >>> >>> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should >>> be able to download them straight to your hard drive. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Paul. >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't >> remember what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my >> "point and shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have installed >> - I'll try Cameradie - thanks. >> >> Cheers/2 >> >> Ed. > > I have a Nikon D40X. I have had no problems connecting to it or using > a 4GB SDHC card in a USB card reader, but I use Netdrive FAT32 > plugin. In both cases it is just a new drive letter that I can access > via FileStar/2 or PMView. > > Mark Thanks Mark, it would seem therefore that the Netdrive FAT32 support is different to the straight FAT32 support as that has issues with this manufacturers format (I expect the D40X uses the same FAT32 structure as the D40). Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:04:29 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS Ed Durrant wrote: > madodel wrote: >> Ed Durrant wrote: >>> Paul Smedley wrote: >>>> Hi Ed, >>>> >>>> Ed Durrant wrote: >>>>> Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they >>>>> are using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The >>>>> camera can connect in either MSD or PSP mode via USB and even >>>>> taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader still >>>>> does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. It >>>>> is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the >>>>> OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an >>>>> 8 GB card. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried adding LVM info to the card, but then the camera >>>>> rejects it as soon as I put it in the camera. >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas ?? >>>> >>>> Have you tried Cameraderie? If the camera supports PTP - it should >>>> be able to download them straight to your hard drive. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Paul. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>> Thanks, I new there was an alternative program - just couldn't >>> remember what it was called ! Fotoget/2 has worked perfectly with my >>> "point and shoot" digital cameras so that is the one I have >>> installed - I'll try Cameradie - thanks. >>> >>> Cheers/2 >>> >>> Ed. >> >> I have a Nikon D40X. I have had no problems connecting to it or >> using a 4GB SDHC card in a USB card reader, but I use Netdrive FAT32 >> plugin. In both cases it is just a new drive letter that I can >> access via FileStar/2 or PMView. >> >> Mark > > Thanks Mark, it would seem therefore that the Netdrive FAT32 support > is different to the straight FAT32 support as that has issues with > this manufacturers format (I expect the D40X uses the same FAT32 > structure as the D40). > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. I checked and I only appear to have VFAT plugins for NDFS, so I decided to try Cameradie first, and once I switched the camera USB interface to PTP from MSD, it worked fine ! Thanks for the suggestions. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:50:01 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Interfacing to Nikon D40 from eCS Ed Durrant ha scritto: > Hi, > > Is anyone using a Nikon Digital SLR ? It appears to me that they are > using some weird interpretation of the FAT32 file system. The camera > can connect in ... or PSP mode via USB You do mean PTP, don't you? > and even taking the (SDHC) card out and putting it in a card reader > still does nor allow Fotoget/2 or the OS to see the data on the card. > It is directly accessible from Windoze of course, just not with the > OS/2 FAT32 driver. I have the same issue whether I use a 4GB or an 8 > GB card. > If PTP, why bother with MSD? PTP is absolutely safe and easy to handle. OTOH, you have to set your cam explisitely to PTP as eCS can't cope with auto (AUTO switch MSD-PTP). It's safe as the computer can't fiddle nor mess up your data on the memory card. I'm using a 4 memory card, which is plenty of enough. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------