From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:01:53 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1717 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Friday 03 October 2008 Number 1717 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Describe - Windows version : Ian Manners" 2 Re: Describe - Windows version : Ian Manners" 3 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Kris Steenhaut 4 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Ed Durrant 5 Re: Describe - Windows version : John Angelico" 6 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Peter L Allen" 7 Re: Lucide : Ed Durrant 8 Re: Describe - Windows version : Ed Durrant 9 Re: Describe - Windows version : Alan Duval 10 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Alan Duval 11 Re: Describe - Windows version : John Angelico" 12 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Peter Moylan 13 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Ed Durrant 14 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Ian Manners" 15 PMVNC Howto : Ian Manners" 16 Re: Describe - Windows version : Ian Manners" 17 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Alan Duval 18 Re: Recommendations for remote control program? : Mike O'Connor **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:31:16 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Describe - Windows version Hi All, I have an urgent need to find the Windows version of Describe, required by some Houston space agency company to read some old files. Unfortunetly they dont have OS/2, and they cant send the files to me [just in case theres something in them that shouldnt be I guess]. and of course the original companies nolonger around. Failing that, anyone know of a conversion utility for Describe files to Word or ODF ? I dont even have a Describe file to check, unless I go to the trouble of installing it etc, which I might have to do.... Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:34:52 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Describe - Windows version That was quick, teach me to look before I post ! Dont worry, found the windows version in my SWC section of os2site dot com :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:08:09 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Ian Manners ha scritto: > Its there anyway, makes my life easy in managing my wifes Mac. > > It would be feasible if you would be so kind to explain a bit how it works. I downloaded both pmvnc-1.02-bin.zip = server pmvnc103_ow.zip = client But alas the *inf and readme* are meant for people already knowing how it works, thus leaving me in complete dispair. It would be nice to handle eCS and my Mac with the same keyboard and mouse though. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:18:10 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Peter Moylan wrote: > On 02/10/08 12:54, Ian Manners wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> >>> As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my >>> computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a >>> good way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe >>> to control my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want >>> to do via FTP, but there will surely be times when I want to get in >>> and do other things. >>> >> >> PM VNC Server/Viewer. >> >> pmvnc-1.02-bin.zip = server >> pmvnc103_ow.zip = client >> >> >> > > Thanks, Ian and Paul. Seems to be slightly slower than DTOC, but > perhaps that's just my memory. It did work right out of the box. > > The colours are terrible, sometimes to the extent that things on the > screen are unreadable, but I'm used to that from things like Acrobat > and Java applications ... in fact, everything that was written with > SNAP Graphics in mind. I'm still not sure what to do about that > problem. I have a Matrox Millennium video card for which the SNAP > driver crashes the OS, so I've always had to use native Matrox video > drivers. One of these days, I guess, I'll have to switch video cards. > > Or maybe just buy a new box. I've heard that it's possible to buy a > decent PC for about $200-$300 if you don't buy a complete system, i.e. > if you use your old monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers. I haven't yet > checked out what's available that is eCS-compatible; would be > interested to hear if other people know of such deals with > eCS-compatible hardware. > Hi Peter, On the video point, you could see if the panorama driver supports your card and see if that's any better on colour. If you're prepared to change your motherboard out (which also means processor and RAM), you can certainly buy components for under A$300 total. A couple of years back a few of us did that and came across the ASUS M2V-TVM motherboard on which all components were supported by eComStation. Unfortunately that board is now "long gone" and I don't know of a similar board with all components compatible with eCS, but the place to check is www.ecomstation.ru who list boards that do work, but again as boards change so quickly and people don't write up articles on successful boards all that quickly, many of the boards listed are probably no longer current. I'm tempted to try one of the new boards that have an "expressgate" bootable ramdisk on the motherboard, but that's going to be a large project most likely as I expect issues with getting support for video and network. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:15:53 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Describe - Windows version On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:31:16 +1000 (EST), Ian Manners wrote: >Hi All, > >I have an urgent need to find the Windows version of Describe, >required by some Houston space agency company to read >some old files. > >Unfortunetly they dont have OS/2, and they cant send the >files to me [just in case theres something in them that shouldnt >be I guess]. and of course the original companies nolonger >around. > >Failing that, anyone know of a conversion utility for Describe >files to Word or ODF ? > >I dont even have a Describe file to check, unless I go to the >trouble of installing it etc, which I might have to do.... > Ian, we have the Voyager CD here - not far from you. We also have some vague ideas about writing a DLL to convert ODF to/from DeScribe. If the documents are not too complex, the old Word 5DOS or Word95 filters are acceptable. DeScribe installation takes about 2 minutes - mostly reading from the CD. :-) Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:40:32 +1000 (EST) From: "Peter L Allen" Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? snip >The colours are terrible, sometimes to the extent that things on the >screen are unreadable, but I'm used to that from things like Acrobat and >Java applications ... in fact, everything that was written with SNAP >Graphics in mind. I'm still not sure what to do about that problem. I >have a Matrox Millennium video card for which the SNAP driver crashes >the OS, so I've always had to use native Matrox video drivers. One of >these days, I guess, I'll have to switch video cards. Pete, Ran Matrox cards for years but had to rely on single user SNAP as full version would crash. Eventually found this was caused by the old native Crystal sound card driver. Now fine with uniaud and SNAP full version and much more robust overall (Warp4 FP15), Regards, allenpl > >Or maybe just buy a new box. I've heard that it's possible to buy a >decent PC for about $200-$300 if you don't buy a complete system, i.e. >if you use your old monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers. I haven't yet >checked out what's available that is eCS-compatible; would be interested >to hear if other people know of such deals with eCS-compatible hardware. > >-- >Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org > http://www.pmoylan dot org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:56:37 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Lucide Alan Duval wrote: > Ed Durrant wrote: >> Alan Duval wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I find that if I choose the "Fit in window" size in Lucide, that I >>> can view the whole page. If I choose "Actual size" the printing in >>> the lower half of the page is absent. At 75% some lower lines of a >>> page don't show on the screen. Only problem is that it's hard to >>> read the print when I choose "Fit in window". I don't have that >>> problem with Acrobat 5. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Alan, >> Those examples you sent me all work in both Actual size and "fit in >> window" mode - however in "actual" mode the bottom part of the page >> when scrolling down takes about half a second to appear it doesn't >> "flow". Perhaps for some reason on your system it simply never >> manages to get that lower part out. Is your system fairly powerful ? > Yes! It has an M2V-TVM motherboard with an AMD 64 4800 dual core > processor and 4GB memory. > > Regards, > > Alan OK, exactly the same configuration that I have - so again, that's not the problem ! Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:24:50 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Describe - Windows version Ian Manners wrote: > Hi All, > > I have an urgent need to find the Windows version of Describe, > required by some Houston space agency company to read > some old files. > > Unfortunetly they dont have OS/2, and they cant send the > files to me [just in case theres something in them that shouldnt > be I guess]. and of course the original companies nolonger > around. > > Failing that, anyone know of a conversion utility for Describe > files to Word or ODF ? > > I dont even have a Describe file to check, unless I go to the > trouble of installing it etc, which I might have to do.... > > Cheers > Ian Manners > http://www.os2site dot com/ > > > =========================================== > Was the windows version of Describe (didn't even realise there was a windoze version) on the same CD as the OS/2 one ? If so I'll dig my copy out. Otherwise have them install the free VirtualPC2007 from Microsoft, down load the eCS demo CD ISO - fire it up in VPC and install and run the OS/2 version of describe there - no wait, I think the demo CD doesn't allow disk access - so it'll have to be a full version of eCS 1.2, or OS/2 Warp 4 . Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:09:19 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Describe - Windows version John Angelico wrote: >> Ian, we have the Voyager CD here - not far from you. >> >> >> >> Hi John, What is the Voyager CD ? The only Voyager I know of is the project to make a new version of OS/2. Regards, Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:34:05 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Ed Durrant wrote: > Peter Moylan wrote: >> On 02/10/08 12:54, Ian Manners wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> >>>> As part of a furniture rearrangement, I'd like to set up one of my >>>> computers as a pure server with no keyboard or monitor. What's a >>>> good way to control it from my desktop machine? I can use INIServe >>>> to control my own software, and do a lot of the rest of what I want >>>> to do via FTP, but there will surely be times when I want to get in >>>> and do other things. >>>> >>> >>> PM VNC Server/Viewer. >>> >>> pmvnc-1.02-bin.zip = server >>> pmvnc103_ow.zip = client >>> >>> >>> >> >> Thanks, Ian and Paul. Seems to be slightly slower than DTOC, but >> perhaps that's just my memory. It did work right out of the box. >> >> The colours are terrible, sometimes to the extent that things on the >> screen are unreadable, but I'm used to that from things like Acrobat >> and Java applications ... in fact, everything that was written with >> SNAP Graphics in mind. I'm still not sure what to do about that >> problem. I have a Matrox Millennium video card for which the SNAP >> driver crashes the OS, so I've always had to use native Matrox video >> drivers. One of these days, I guess, I'll have to switch video cards. >> >> Or maybe just buy a new box. I've heard that it's possible to buy a >> decent PC for about $200-$300 if you don't buy a complete system, >> i.e. if you use your old monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers. I haven't >> yet checked out what's available that is eCS-compatible; would be >> interested to hear if other people know of such deals with >> eCS-compatible hardware. >> > Hi Peter, > On the video point, you could see if the panorama driver supports > your card and see if that's any better on colour. If you're prepared > to change your motherboard out (which also means processor and RAM), > you can certainly buy components for under A$300 total. A couple of > years back a few of us did that and came across the ASUS M2V-TVM > motherboard on which all components were supported by eComStation. > Unfortunately that board is now "long gone" and I don't know of a > similar board with all components compatible with eCS, but the place > to check is www.ecomstation.ru who list boards that do work, but again > as boards change so quickly and people don't write up articles on > successful boards all that quickly, many of the boards listed are > probably no longer current. > > I'm tempted to try one of the new boards that have an "expressgate" > bootable ramdisk on the motherboard, but that's going to be a large > project most likely as I expect issues with getting support for video > and network. > I note that the ASUS A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard is said to be very good on the www.ecomstation.ru site. You can buy it now on www.ebay dot com dot au for $95. Regards, Alan Duval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:55:10 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Describe - Windows version On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:09:19 +1100, Alan Duval wrote: >John Angelico wrote: >>> Ian, we have the Voyager CD here - not far from you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >Hi John, > >What is the Voyager CD ? The only Voyager I know of is the project to >make a new version of OS/2. The last release of DeScribe for OS/2 was called the Voyager / Frequent Flyer CD, containing all latest versions of DeScribe ever released including for WinNT. The only thing that came later was a bootleg release of a network-aware OS/2 version. Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:21:39 +1000 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? On 03/10/08 11:40, Peter L Allen wrote: > > The colours are terrible, sometimes to the extent that things on > > the screen are unreadable, but I'm used to that from things like > > Acrobat and Java applications ... in fact, everything that was > > written with SNAP Graphics in mind. I'm still not sure what to do > > about that problem. I have a Matrox Millennium video card for which > > the SNAP driver crashes the OS, so I've always had to use native > > Matrox video drivers. One of these days, I guess, I'll have to > > switch video cards. > > Ran Matrox cards for years but had to rely on single user SNAP > as full version would crash. Eventually found this was caused by the > old native Crystal sound card driver. Now fine with uniaud and SNAP > full version and much more robust overall (Warp4 FP15), Thanks for that. It's been so long since I've checked what sort of audio I have - and I'm not in the mood to open up the box yet again - that I don't know what my sound card is. However, I see that my CONFIG.SYS contains 9 lines referring to files whose names start with CW, so it's a good bet that I have the Crystal driver. I'm guessing that the following line DEVICE=D:\MMOS2\OPL3.SYS /N:OPL31$ also belongs to the Crystal software, so I guess I should REM out those 10 lines. (Don't you just hate it when software comes without a documented uninstall method?) I've just downloaded Uniaud (114RC6) and will now try to install it, then I'll try SNAP again (I have version 3.1.8, which I think is the last version SciTech ever released. Can't figure out how to uninstall the Matrox driver - can't even find it - so I'll just hope that the SNAP installation includes a deinstallation of the existing driver. -- Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org http://www.pmoylan dot org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:33:44 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Alan Duval wrote: >> > I note that the ASUS A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard is said to be very > good on the www.ecomstation.ru site. > You can buy it now on www.ebay dot com dot au for $95. > > Regards, > > Alan Duval Hi Alan, That looks like a pretty old board - it only supports Athlon XP from what I can see (i.e. no multi-core processors). I would expect that's probably at end of life unfortunately. Cheers/2 Ed. > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:09:37 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Hi Peter, I have boxes of PCI and AGP cards that I'm happy to send one or two of to you after all, the software you provide is very cheap but still with excellent support :-) And I know the cards are supported by SNAP. Also with PMVNC Server, try ticking the 15bit color box on the Misc setup tab. PMVNC is slow but I find its all I need for looking after my server downstairs, as well as my wifes Mac when I couldnt be bothered walking into the study. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:12:19 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: PMVNC Howto Hi Kris, >It would be feasible if you would be so kind to explain a bit how it >works. I downloaded both ok, when I get home later tonight (2am our time), if I have time, I'll sit down and do a basic how to for you and others. If I cant find one that someone else has alredy done. And if I make the mistake of sitting at the computer ;-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:17:55 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Describe - Windows version Hi John, >Ian, we have the Voyager CD here - not far from you. Think thats the file I found, contains versions for OS/2, Win16 and Win32 from 24th April 1996 - German and English. >We also have some vague ideas about writing a DLL to convert ODF to/from >DeScribe. I've never used DeScribe myself, used Wordstar, then Framework from AshtonTate, and DeD and LateX on DEC Rainbow then Word at work, then AmiPro, StarOffice and OpenOffice. Cant even remember what the DEC Wordprocessor I used on the VAX was back then. >If the documents are not too complex, the old Word 5DOS or Word95 filters >are acceptable. So its mainly the formatting is different and those filters just strip out the high bits ? Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:00:32 +1100 From: Alan Duval Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Ed Durrant wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: >>> >> I note that the ASUS A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard is said to be very >> good on the www.ecomstation.ru site. >> You can buy it now on www.ebay dot com dot au for $95. >> >> Regards, >> >> Alan Duval > > Hi Alan, > > That looks like a pretty old board - it only supports Athlon XP from > what I can see (i.e. no multi-core processors). I would expect that's > probably at end of life unfortunately. Yes! I just realized that after looking at the specs. If anyone wants an ASUS M2V-TVM motherboard you can get one from USA. Go to this URL: http://cgi.ebay dot com/ASUS-M2V-TVM-SOCKET-AM2-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-New_W0QQitemZ350096746941QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 I bought mine from there. Regards, Alan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:15:29 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Recommendations for remote control program? Hi Peter, Peter Moylan wrote: > I don't know what my sound card is. However, I see that my CONFIG.SYS > contains 9 lines referring to files whose names start with CW, so it's > a good bet that I have the Crystal driver. I'm guessing that the > following line > DEVICE=D:\MMOS2\OPL3.SYS /N:OPL31$ > also belongs to the Crystal software, so I guess I should REM out > those 10 lines. (Don't you just hate it when software comes without a > documented uninstall method?) All crystal cards come with an Minstall installer application - uninstalling them is as described in all crystal readme's that I've ever seen - run the installer again, but set number of cards to zero to remove all the items! ;-) Regards, Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------