From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 00:01:05 AET-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1755 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 07 December 2008 Number 1755 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Java programming : Chuck McKinnis 2 Re: Java programming : Ian Manners" 3 Removing a BIOS password : Peter Moylan 4 Re: Removing a BIOS password : Robert Traynor (BobT)" 5 Re: Removing a BIOS password : Ed Durrant 6 Re: Removing a BIOS password : Ian Manners" 7 Re: Removing a BIOS password : Chuck McKinnis 8 Re: Removing a BIOS password : Mike O'Connor 9 Re: Removing a BIOS password : Peter Moylan **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:29:14 -0700 From: Chuck McKinnis Subject: Re: Java programming Peter Moylan wrote: > Voytek Eymont wrote: >> >> >> >>> reference at all to the latest installed version, namely version 1.4.2. >>> >> >> where does one get 1.4.2 ? >> I'm still on 1.3.1 (I think) >> > I think version 1.4.2 was distributed with eCS version 1.2. Presumably > it can be downloaded from the eCS web site. It's possible, though, that > you can't access it unless you have an active eCS support subscription. If you can log in at www.ecomstation dot com, both 1.4.2 and 1.3.1 are available for download (no subscription required). Search your downloads for "java". > > Not that it matters. I have version 1.4.2 on my hard disk, but as noted > elsethread I think that the executables that are actually invoked are > the 1.3.1 ones, and the library files are from version 1.1. In other > words, people who have version 1.4.2 installed are not actually using > it; they're using older versions. > > I've also discovered that Sun has pulled a Microsoft trick. The text > from which I'm learning the language insists that you need version 5.0 > of Java (or better). It seems, however, that "version 5.0" really means > "version 1.5.0". They renumbered to make the numbers look better, just > as Windows NT was first released as version 3.51 (to give it a higher > number than "Warp 3"). >> >> >>> (c) the bugs have never been found because nobody has >>> ever used Java for OS/2. >>> If anyone can point me to a counterexample to (c), I'd be grateful. >>> >> >> JStreet then PolarBar Mailer >> also, TCPIP config tool >> and, sync tool for palm from Brad >> >> JStreet/PolarBar is a fully featured mail client >> >> > Yes, but those are applications that, as far as I know, were first > developed on other operating systems before being ported to OS/2. What > I'm interested in finding out is whether any existing Java application > was developed on OS/2 before being ported to another system. I guess > that the TCP/IP config tool qualifies, but I think that that's a Java > 1.1 application. Now that I think of it, the palm sync tool might also > qualify, but again I think it's a Java 1.1 application. > > From what I've deduced from CONFIG.SYS, it still looks to me as if > nobody has ever debugged the most recent OS/2 versions of Java. The > environment variables in CONFIG.SYS suggest to me that version 1.1 was > tested, but that nobody bothered to check the updates. > -- Chuck McKinnis 1449 State Highway 14 N Sandia Park, NM 87047 505-286-3191 http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/ But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Luke 12:7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:22:42 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Java programming >>> where does one get 1.4.2 ? Search and ye shall find, I've had em here since the date on the files. But feel free to get them from ecomstation dot com that way I dont have to worry about the D/L speeds. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:57:35 +1100 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Removing a BIOS password I want to change the boot sequence of a PC which is so old that nobody remembers the BIOS password. How do I bypass that password? I've tried removing a battery from the motherboard - I'm guessing it's the one that powers the BIOS ROM, since there's no other good reason to have a battery on the motherboard - but the BIOS still asks for the password on bootup, so my memory that that would fix it must be false. -- Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org http://www.pmoylan dot org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:10:45 +1100 From: "Robert Traynor (BobT)" Subject: Re: Removing a BIOS password Hi, You have to remove battery AND the AC power for some time. This may vary depending on the brand, I fiddled with a Dell problem box that took more than 20 minutes once. Or, there will be a set of jumpers near the battery that you may have to briefly short together, or remove an existing jumper and relocate temporarily to another pair. Again you must have the AC power turned off at the wall. I have (with no AC power) removed the battery and temporarily bridged the battery holder connections. Then refit the battery, turn on AC power and reset bios to defaults etc. If the motherboard is an IBM/server brand, the info in the chip may not be held in a battery controlled rom chip and you may be stuffed. Hope one of the suggestions works for you. HTH, Regards, Robert Traynor (BobT). 7 December 2008 15:04 On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:57:35 +1100, Peter Moylan wrote: > I want to change the boot sequence of a PC which is so old that nobody > remembers the BIOS password. How do I bypass that password? I've tried > removing a battery from the motherboard - I'm guessing it's the one that > powers the BIOS ROM, since there's no other good reason to have a > battery on the motherboard - but the BIOS still asks for the password on > bootup, so my memory that that would fix it must be false. > > -- > Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org > http://www.pmoylan dot org ,-._|\ Robert Traynor (BobT) / Oz \ email rtraynor at optusnet dot com dot au \_,--.x/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:36:17 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Removing a BIOS password Peter Moylan wrote: > I want to change the boot sequence of a PC which is so old that nobody > remembers the BIOS password. How do I bypass that password? I've tried > removing a battery from the motherboard - I'm guessing it's the one > that powers the BIOS ROM, since there's no other good reason to have a > battery on the motherboard - but the BIOS still asks for the password > on bootup, so my memory that that would fix it must be false. > You need to look for the "clear cmos" jumper on the motherboard. Put the battery back. Set the jumper to clear CMOS. turn the PC on and wait about 30 seconds. turn the PC off move the jumper back to its original position power on the PC again. If this is a laptop (e.g. thinkpad) the password cannot be reset using this method, the machine has to be returned to the factory to be reset. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:46:31 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Removing a BIOS password >battery on the motherboard - but the BIOS still asks for the password on >bootup, so my memory that that would fix it must be false. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:06:34 -0700 From: Chuck McKinnis Subject: Re: Removing a BIOS password Ed Durrant wrote: > Peter Moylan wrote: >> I want to change the boot sequence of a PC which is so old that nobody >> remembers the BIOS password. How do I bypass that password? I've tried >> removing a battery from the motherboard - I'm guessing it's the one >> that powers the BIOS ROM, since there's no other good reason to have a >> battery on the motherboard - but the BIOS still asks for the password >> on bootup, so my memory that that would fix it must be false. >> > You need to look for the "clear cmos" jumper on the motherboard. > Put the battery back. > Set the jumper to clear CMOS. > turn the PC on and wait about 30 seconds. > turn the PC off > move the jumper back to its original position > power on the PC again. > > If this is a laptop (e.g. thinkpad) the password cannot be reset using > this method, the machine has to be returned to the factory to be reset. > > Cheers/2 > > Ed. On Thinkpads the power on password (POP) can be cleared, the supervisor password (SVP) cannot. From the maintenance manual: Attention: If the SVP has been forgotten and cannot be made available to the servicer, there is no service procedure to reset the password. The system board must be replaced for a scheduled fee. How to remove the power-on password To remove a POP that you have forgotten, do the following: (A) If no SVP has been set: 1. Turn off the computer. 2. Remove the battery pack. For how to remove the battery pack, see “1010 Battery pack for 14.1-in. LCD models” on page 71. 3. Remove the backup battery. For how to remove the backup battery, see “1140 Backup battery for 14.1-in. LCD models” on page 106. 4. Turn on the computer and wait until the POST ends. After the POST ends, the password prompt does not appear. The POP has been removed. 5. Reinstall the backup battery and the battery pack. -- Chuck McKinnis 1449 State Highway 14 N Sandia Park, NM 87047 505-286-3191 http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/ Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:22 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:12:17 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Removing a BIOS password Ian Manners wrote: > Hi Ian, That's a very useful page! Regards, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:21:09 +1100 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Re: Removing a BIOS password Peter Moylan wrote: > I want to change the boot sequence of a PC which is so old that nobody > remembers the BIOS password. How do I bypass that password? I've tried > removing a battery from the motherboard - I'm guessing it's the one > that powers the BIOS ROM, since there's no other good reason to have a > battery on the motherboard - but the BIOS still asks for the password > on bootup, so my memory that that would fix it must be false. > Thanks to all who answered. The solution turned out to be: 1. Remove battery. 2. Mow the back lawn. 3. Restart computer. That is, a time delay was needed, presumably to let a capacitor discharge. Since the front lawn still has to be done, I'll leave step 4 until this evening. Thinking about it, I can recall a number of examples of people being locked out of their own computer because of the BIOS password, but no examples of people who were protected by the password. (Thieves are probably more used to resetting the password than the average user is.) Security measures don't always make a system more secure. -- Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org http://www.pmoylan dot org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------