From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:00:41 AET-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1764 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Wednesday 31 December 2008 Number 1764 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Java programming : Peter Moylan 2 Re: Java programming : Ian Manners" 3 Re: Java programming : Ed Durrant 4 Re: Java programming : Voytek Eymont" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:38:12 +1100 From: Peter Moylan Subject: Re: Java programming Voytek Eymont wrote: > > > > >> I coulkd find nothing there, but, found this: >> > > >> http://download.innotek.de/javaos2/142_09/install.exe >> > > > I'm getting "innotek runtime not installed'.... > > is the innotek runtime somekind of win32 run time, like Odin ? > > > > Yes. It is a library that translates calls to Windows functions into calls to the OS/2 equivalent functions. Obviously it is incomplete. It does not include the undocumented functions (that, according to some court decisions, do not exist; because Microsoft has already documented the undocumented functions) that allow MS-Office to run faster than OpenOffice. Not that it matters. The people who understand the difference are already using OpenOffice. (Which runs under Windows a lot better than it runs under OS/2. And which runs under Windows about as well as MS-Office, although there are still compatibility problems between the substandard OpenOffice equation editor and the even more substandard MS-Word equation editor.) The people who don't understand the difference will continue to pay the exorbitant price for MS-Office, because it was bundled in with the price for the computer, and because the salesperson told them that MS-Office is an integral part of the computer hardware. -- Peter Moylan peter at pmoylan dot org http://www.pmoylan dot org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:25 +1100 (EDT) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Java programming http://www.os2site dot com/sw/dev/InnoTek/index.html and your could have got Java from http://www.os2site dot com/sw/dev/java/java142_09/index.html Currently you need to install Sun's Java 1.5 under Windows and copy the directory structure to OS/2 to replace v1.4.2 and it should run with Innowin. I think it was Ed that gave a summary of how to do it. Look in the os2genau mailing list archives or maybe its on os2world dot com Happy new year to everyone cause I wont be here to say it then :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:13:54 +1100 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: Java programming Voytek Eymont wrote: > > > >> http://download.innotek.de/javaos2/142_09/install.exe >> > > > Mike, thanks, I've now got: > > 0[roman][F:\java142\bin]java -version > > java version "1.4.2_09" > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_09-b05) > Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_09-b05, mixed mode) > > 0[roman][F:\java142\bin]java -fullversion > > java full version "1.4.2_09-b05" > > That's what I have as well. As for v 1.5 and v 1.6, some people on the UK OS/2 list (I think) have suggested that by replacing the appropriate files it may be possible to "upgrade" the Innotek version to 1.5 at least - but I think only as a standalone Java, not as a plugin in the browser. Basically Innotek used ODIN technology to create these builds of Java, with the point that when a new (windows) version of Java came out from SUN they could quickly create a new version. Since Innotek no longer exists, having been swollowed up by SUN, they are no longer developing this. There was an alternative "compiled into OS/2 native code" solution from Goldencode however as this was a purchasable product where the Innotek was free, it didn't stand much chance of survival. I don't believe this company is still creating a Java release for OS/2 - but I could be wrong. I think we would have heard, had Goldencode released a Java v 1.5 or 1.6 for OS/2. Cheers/2 Ed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:38:28 +1100 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Java programming > Obviously it is incomplete. It does not include the undocumented > functions (that, according to some court decisions, do not exist; because > Microsoft has already documented the undocumented functions) > that allow MS-Office to run faster than OpenOffice. > > Not that it matters. The people who understand the difference are > already using OpenOffice. (Which runs under Windows a lot better than it > runs under OS/2. And which runs under Windows about as well as MS-Office, > although there are still compatibility problems between the substandard > OpenOffice equation editor and the even more substandard yes, I've recently installed OO/windoze, and, was pleasantly surprised, it was heaps better that my previous experience > MS-Word equation editor.) The people who don't understand the difference > will continue to pay the exorbitant price for MS-Office, because it was > bundled in with the price for the computer, and because the salesperson > told them that MS-Office is an integral part of the computer hardware. ufortunately, that's the way it is, for an average uneducated masses, ms is a 'better' choice like, no one got fired for buying an IBM. like, what good am I for the PC industry, when I still use Compaq Deskpro P2 350, and, I'm perfectly happy with it ? and, my fax server runs on 486 ? and, my faxes are perfectly happy with it ? -- Voytek ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------