From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 00:01:19 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 2018 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Friday 03 December 2010 Number 2018 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Hosting : TheBarrows 2 Re: Hosting : Dennis Nolan **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 07:33:54 +1100 From: TheBarrows Subject: Re: Hosting On 2/12/2010 10:47 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: > Dennis Nolan wrote: >> Firstly A very Merry Merry Christmas to everyone. >> >> Now the reason for this post> >> >> An organisation I am a member of (The Australian Photographic Society) >> has just received a hosting proposal from Net Registry Pty. Ltd. and >> asked for my comments. >> >> Does anyone have any comment on this company? > I don't know anything about it, but it looks respectable. My feeling, > though, is that anyone who is sending you hosting proposals is likely to > be more expensive than anyone you find by searching yourself. There are > lots of hosting companies around, and the prices are all over the map. > > I'm currently going through the same exercise for my choir. After > checking a number of hosting companies, I am inclined to go for WebCity, > who has been my domain name registrar for several years and has shown > every sign of being respectable but inexpensive. (I chose them > originally because they had better prices for domain name registration > than other Australian registrars. And I avoided non-Australian > registrars because there are some very shonky companies out there. (Side > comment: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DEAL WITH THE DOMAIN REGISTRY OF > AMERICA.) The WebCity prices for hosting are listed here: > > http://hosting.webcity dot com dot au/compare.php > > Note that prices go from $6/month for very basic hosting up to $50/month > for all the bells and whistles. The (more typical) prices from > NetRegistry are shown here > > http://www dot netregistry dot com dot au/web-hosting/ > > and these range from $16/month to $300/month. This is a good indication > of how much price variation there is in the market at the moment. There > are other companies with even higher prices. > > To work out total price, you need to look at these components: > > - the actual hosting, as covered above; medium to high cost, > depending on things like how much storage you need. > > - domain name registration (usually cheap - I'm paying > about $12/year for my domain) > > - DNS hosting: cheap, and often included in web > hosting plans, although I'm finding it a bit of a headache > figuring out exactly what is and isn't included. > > - web site design: zero cost if you do it yourself, but can be > pretty expensive if you use professional designers. > > - e-commerce facilities if needed (e.g. accepting credit card > payments on-line): this can cost more than the hosting > itself, e.g. the NetRegistry cheapest package adds an extra > $60/month to the basic cost. (But PayPal provides a cut-price > solution for this.) > > You need to think carefully about what features you want from the > hosting provider. For my choir the cheapest possible solution should be > OK - we don't do e-commerce, we don't expect large traffic levels, we > can live with web pages that aren't too fancy, we don't need more than > one e-mail address, and we only want a basic presence on the web: 3 or 4 > pages plus perhaps a photo gallery. A 1 Gigabyte disk space should be > adequate for us, so I'm going to recommend to our committee that we go > for the WebCity cheapest deal. > > I imagine that a photographic society would want to chew up a lot more > disk space for graphics, so it would want a hosting plan that has > generous disk space provision. (People in such a society will certainly > have a better feel than I do for how many photos you can fit per > gigabyte. Photos are going to be the dominant factor in deciding how > much disk space you need. The HTML text is insignificant by comparison.) > Maybe it would also want to use a professional web site designer, but > note that you can decouple this decision from the hosting decision. Some > companies offer a "package deal" which is web site design plus hosting, > but in my opinion that limits your options. Either design your own site, > or search for a designer who is independent of the hosting company. > > I presume that the society would only be doing a limited form of > e-commerce: things like annual renewal of membership, but not things > like selling stuff. If so, search around for the most basic sort of > e-commerce support. (It's not essential to use the solution provided by > the hosting provider.) If the society does want to sell stuff on-line, > tread very carefully. I don't have experience in this area, but I know > that the prices can be frighteningly high. That's why people like > shareware authors stick to PayPal. It might be basic, but it's cheap. > > I have a 5-page OpenOffice document that I prepared for my choir to > explain what is needed and the likely costs. I don't think this list > accepts attachments, but I'd be happy to e-mail it to anyone who asks. > (But note that this is for an economical solution, as befits a small > community group, not a professional-quality one.) In the next couple of > days I have to refine that document into the form of a concrete proposal. > > Peter > Dennis / Peter, I have been using MDWebhosting dot com dot au for several years for my email. I have the ability to set up the website but haven't bothered. Their prices are similar to Peter's $5 to $38 per month for hosting. Good Luck in the hunt. Regards, Michael Barrow -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 09:33:16 +1100 From: Dennis Nolan Subject: Re: Hosting Thanks Michael and Peter I was hoping no one was going to come up with a horror story about them. They were asked to submit a proposal by our new secretary who has had previous dealings with them. Our current hosting company charge $3200pa with no phone support(email only) and we had a crash (reported as exceeded traffic limit) which took them 3 days to correct. The new proposal is for a VPS cloud with 1024MN RAM, 2 processor cores, 100GB SAN storage and 200GB bandwidth per month plus extras is cheaper, $2880pa for a 36 month agreement we get a $10 per month discount as well as four free months. This is quite a saving over our present hosting arrangement. Things seem to be changing in the hosting world. The host for my personal domain recently attempted to shift their operation into a cloud environment but had to revert when they started receiving complaints about network slowdown. From what I could deduct they are leasing rack space. The type of operation to avoid, I think. Merry Christmas Dennis. On 3/12/2010 7:33 AM, TheBarrows wrote: > On 2/12/2010 10:47 PM, Peter Moylan wrote: >> Dennis Nolan wrote: >>> Firstly A very Merry Merry Christmas to everyone. >>> >>> Now the reason for this post> >>> >>> An organisation I am a member of (The Australian Photographic Society) >>> has just received a hosting proposal from Net Registry Pty. Ltd. and >>> asked for my comments. >>> >>> Does anyone have any comment on this company? >> I don't know anything about it, but it looks respectable. My feeling, >> though, is that anyone who is sending you hosting proposals is likely to >> be more expensive than anyone you find by searching yourself. There are >> lots of hosting companies around, and the prices are all over the map. >> >> I'm currently going through the same exercise for my choir. After >> checking a number of hosting companies, I am inclined to go for WebCity, >> who has been my domain name registrar for several years and has shown >> every sign of being respectable but inexpensive. (I chose them >> originally because they had better prices for domain name registration >> than other Australian registrars. And I avoided non-Australian >> registrars because there are some very shonky companies out there. (Side >> comment: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DEAL WITH THE DOMAIN REGISTRY OF >> AMERICA.) The WebCity prices for hosting are listed here: >> >> http://hosting.webcity dot com dot au/compare.php >> >> Note that prices go from $6/month for very basic hosting up to $50/month >> for all the bells and whistles. The (more typical) prices from >> NetRegistry are shown here >> >> http://www dot netregistry dot com dot au/web-hosting/ >> >> and these range from $16/month to $300/month. This is a good indication >> of how much price variation there is in the market at the moment. There >> are other companies with even higher prices. >> >> To work out total price, you need to look at these components: >> >> - the actual hosting, as covered above; medium to high cost, >> depending on things like how much storage you need. >> >> - domain name registration (usually cheap - I'm paying >> about $12/year for my domain) >> >> - DNS hosting: cheap, and often included in web >> hosting plans, although I'm finding it a bit of a headache >> figuring out exactly what is and isn't included. >> >> - web site design: zero cost if you do it yourself, but can be >> pretty expensive if you use professional designers. >> >> - e-commerce facilities if needed (e.g. accepting credit card >> payments on-line): this can cost more than the hosting >> itself, e.g. the NetRegistry cheapest package adds an extra >> $60/month to the basic cost. (But PayPal provides a cut-price >> solution for this.) >> >> You need to think carefully about what features you want from the >> hosting provider. For my choir the cheapest possible solution should be >> OK - we don't do e-commerce, we don't expect large traffic levels, we >> can live with web pages that aren't too fancy, we don't need more than >> one e-mail address, and we only want a basic presence on the web: 3 or 4 >> pages plus perhaps a photo gallery. A 1 Gigabyte disk space should be >> adequate for us, so I'm going to recommend to our committee that we go >> for the WebCity cheapest deal. >> >> I imagine that a photographic society would want to chew up a lot more >> disk space for graphics, so it would want a hosting plan that has >> generous disk space provision. (People in such a society will certainly >> have a better feel than I do for how many photos you can fit per >> gigabyte. Photos are going to be the dominant factor in deciding how >> much disk space you need. The HTML text is insignificant by comparison.) >> Maybe it would also want to use a professional web site designer, but >> note that you can decouple this decision from the hosting decision. Some >> companies offer a "package deal" which is web site design plus hosting, >> but in my opinion that limits your options. Either design your own site, >> or search for a designer who is independent of the hosting company. >> >> I presume that the society would only be doing a limited form of >> e-commerce: things like annual renewal of membership, but not things >> like selling stuff. If so, search around for the most basic sort of >> e-commerce support. (It's not essential to use the solution provided by >> the hosting provider.) If the society does want to sell stuff on-line, >> tread very carefully. I don't have experience in this area, but I know >> that the prices can be frighteningly high. That's why people like >> shareware authors stick to PayPal. It might be basic, but it's cheap. >> >> I have a 5-page OpenOffice document that I prepared for my choir to >> explain what is needed and the likely costs. I don't think this list >> accepts attachments, but I'd be happy to e-mail it to anyone who asks. >> (But note that this is for an economical solution, as befits a small >> community group, not a professional-quality one.) In the next couple of >> days I have to refine that document into the form of a concrete >> proposal. >> >> Peter >> > Dennis / Peter, > I have been using MDWebhosting dot com dot au for several years for my email. > I have the ability to set up the website but haven't bothered. > Their prices are similar to Peter's $5 to $38 per month for hosting. > Good Luck in the hunt. > Regards, > Michael Barrow > -------------------------------------------------- > > http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG ===