From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:00:23 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1989 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Thursday 22 July 2010 Number 1989 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 BootManager : Alan Duval 2 Re: BootManager : Ed Durrant 3 Re: BootManager : Mike O'Connor **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:09:24 +1000 From: Alan Duval Subject: BootManager I have just bought a new PC which has WIN 7 installed on a 500G Sata drive. I want to install eCS 2.0 and have read the Quick installation Guide which recommends resizing the Windows partition, installing BootManager and then making a logical partition to install eCS. DFSee shows the HD to have Free space primary of 1MB, then a Primary Inst-FSys NTFS partition of 100MB with the Volume name "System Rescue", then a primary Inst-FSys NTFS partition of 476838 MB and this is followed by free space PRI/LOG of 6.4 MB. If I resize the 476838 partition to allow installation of eCS where will BootManager be installed? I had understood that BootManager had to be the first partition. Has anyone installed eCS 2.0 to a HD where WIN 7 is already installed and if so have you had any problems booting WIN 7? Apparently it can make WIN 7 unbootable. Also I would like to install Ubuntu 10.4 on the same disk and add it to BootManager. If I make a partition for Ubuntu and mark it as root will Grub 2 be put in that partition or does Ubuntu put Grub at the start of the HD? Regards, Alan Duval -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:05:42 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: BootManager Alan Duval wrote: > I have just bought a new PC which has WIN 7 installed on a 500G Sata > drive. I want to install eCS 2.0 and have read the Quick installation > Guide which recommends resizing the Windows partition, installing > BootManager and then making a logical partition to install eCS. > DFSee shows the HD to have Free space primary of 1MB, then a Primary > Inst-FSys NTFS partition of 100MB with the Volume name "System > Rescue", then a primary Inst-FSys NTFS partition of 476838 MB and > this is followed by free space PRI/LOG of 6.4 MB. > > If I resize the 476838 partition to allow installation of eCS where > will BootManager be installed? > I had understood that BootManager had to be the first partition. > Has anyone installed eCS 2.0 to a HD where WIN 7 is already installed > and if so have you had any problems booting WIN 7? > Apparently it can make WIN 7 unbootable. > > Also I would like to install Ubuntu 10.4 on the same disk and add it > to BootManager. If I make a partition for Ubuntu and mark it as root > will Grub 2 be put in that partition or does Ubuntu put Grub at the > start of the HD? > > Regards, > > > Alan Duval > -------------------------------------------------- > > http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === > Hi Alan Note that you can only have 4 primary partitions on a drive. The IBM BM needs a Primary partition as does the extended partition that will include your logical drives. Often when you buy a system that has recovery and/or maintenance-utility partitions on the drive, you will find that you can reduce the size of the windows partition only to find that you cannot create a new partition in the freespace created! Boot manager does not have to be the first partition on the drive. I often make it the last but I believe it can go anywhere as when you install it the boot sector on the drive is modified to jump to the Boot Manager whereever you put it. If you hit the problem I described in the first paragraph, you may want to look at Airboot as your boot manager as it does not need a primary partition to work. -- Cheers/eCS2.0 Ed Please checkout my podcasts at: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes To subscribe - click this: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com/feed -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:33:41 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: BootManager Ed Durrant wrote: > Alan Duval wrote: >> I have just bought a new PC which has WIN 7 installed on a 500G Sata >> drive. I want to install eCS 2.0 and have read the Quick installation >> Guide which recommends resizing the Windows partition, installing >> BootManager and then making a logical partition to install eCS. >> DFSee shows the HD to have Free space primary of 1MB, then a Primary >> Inst-FSys NTFS partition of 100MB with the Volume name "System >> Rescue", then a primary Inst-FSys NTFS partition of 476838 MB and >> this is followed by free space PRI/LOG of 6.4 MB. >> >> If I resize the 476838 partition to allow installation of eCS where >> will BootManager be installed? >> I had understood that BootManager had to be the first partition. >> Has anyone installed eCS 2.0 to a HD where WIN 7 is already installed >> and if so have you had any problems booting WIN 7? >> Apparently it can make WIN 7 unbootable. >> >> Also I would like to install Ubuntu 10.4 on the same disk and add it >> to BootManager. If I make a partition for Ubuntu and mark it as root >> will Grub 2 be put in that partition or does Ubuntu put Grub at the >> start of the HD? >> > Hi Alan > > Note that you can only have 4 primary partitions on a drive. The IBM > BM needs a Primary partition as does the extended partition that will > include your logical drives. Often when you buy a system that has > recovery and/or maintenance-utility partitions on the drive, you will > find that you can reduce the size of the windows partition only to > find that you cannot create a new partition in the freespace created! > > Boot manager does not have to be the first partition on the drive. I > often make it the last but I believe it can go anywhere as when you > install it the boot sector on the drive is modified to jump to the > Boot Manager whereever you put it. > > If you hit the problem I described in the first paragraph, you may > want to look at Airboot as your boot manager as it does not need a > primary partition to work. > > Hi Alan, Ed, Ed, doesn't Airboot have a problem with JFSBooting? Although I haven't worked with Windows 7 (manipulated a disk with it installed on), I was under the impression that it also created an MSFT-specific primary partition (hidden - and which contains the real partitions on the disk - not the dummy MBR it shows third-party disk utilities)! From what you say there are currently only two primaries - you can ignore that first one of 1MB, (which leads me to think that this _is_ a GPT-partitioned disk, on which all cylinders are only 1MB, not the conventional 8MB when using geometry of 255 heads, 63 sectors per cylinder!), so that doesn't actually count as a primary, unless used by IBM BM in that position, BUT that assumes that IBM BM commences on head1 of that cylinder. So you should still be able to add IBM BM in the final cylinder of the disk, and create logical partitions for eCS and Linux in an extended primary (implicitly created when creating the logicals). I haven't installed Ubuntu 10.4, so don't know whether that yet has the option during a (regular) installation to have GRUB located within its own partition, rather than the default location of adjacent to the MBR sector (the first on the disk). some other Linux distributions do give one that option (e.g. PCLinuxOS), which doesn't screw up the Windows 7 booting. 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