From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 00:01:55 EST-10EDT,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,3600 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 1948 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Sunday 09 May 2010 Number 1948 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant 2 Re: How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor 3 Re: How to find a NAS address : Ian Manners" 4 Re: How to find a NAS address : Chuck McKinnis 5 Re: How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant 6 Re: How to find a NAS address : Ed Durrant 7 Re: How to find a NAS address : Voytek Eymont" 8 Re: How to find a NAS address : Voytek Eymont" 9 Re: How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor 10 Re: How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor 11 Re: Lucide : Mike O'Connor 12 Re: How to find a NAS address : Ian Manners" 13 Re: How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor 14 Re: Lucide : Kris Steenhaut 15 Re: Lucide : Mike O'Connor 16 Re: How to find a NAS address : Voytek Eymont" 17 Re: How to find a NAS address : Voytek Eymont" 18 Re: How to find a NAS address : Ian Manners" 19 Re: How to find a NAS address : John Angelico" 20 Re: How to find a NAS address : Mike O'Connor 21 Re: Lucide : Kris Steenhaut **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 12:32:50 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: How to find a NAS address Hi, I recently needed to take the 250GB EIDE PATA disk from my "Lan Server - Ritmo CL3520" unit for use elsewhere. I have now got around to replacing the drive with another 250GB PATA drive and when connected via USB 2.0 - everything works fine. The problem comes when I try to access it via Ethernet - I simply cannot find it (and its web based configuration page) on my LAN. I tried the address I believe it used to be and I have also reset the system and searched for what the default address "should" be from the on-line manual I found. I've tried via X-over direct cable to a Windoze box as well as from eCS. This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented this in ecomstation.ru's database! Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC address if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? Any Ideas ?? -- Cheers/2 Ed Please checkout my podcasts at: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes To subscribe - click this: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com/feed -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 13:56:56 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi, > > I recently needed to take the 250GB EIDE PATA disk from my "Lan > Server - Ritmo CL3520" unit for use elsewhere. I have now got around > to replacing the drive with another 250GB PATA drive and when > connected via USB 2.0 - everything works fine. > > The problem comes when I try to access it via Ethernet - I simply > cannot find it (and its web based configuration page) on my LAN. I > tried the address I believe it used to be and I have also reset the > system and searched for what the default address "should" be from the > on-line manual I found. I've tried via X-over direct cable to a > Windoze box as well as from eCS. > > This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented > this in ecomstation.ru's database! > > Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC > address if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? > > Any Ideas ?? > Hi Ed, You could, using my example here, and opting for two pings to each address on 192.168.x.255, with (x=0,1) with CLI command of: For %a in (192)do for %b in (168)do for %c in (0 1)do ping %a.%b.%c.255 64 2 >> t:\desktop\what_answered.lst 2>&1 to generate a list of success/fail like the following: PING 192.168.0.255: 64 data bytes ----192.168.0.255 PING Statistics---- << [192.168.0 currently not active] 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss PING 192.168.1.255: 64 data bytes [active] 72 bytes from 192.168.1.105: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 72 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 72 bytes from 192.168.1.120: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 72 bytes from 192.168.1.105: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms 72 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms 72 bytes from 192.168.1.120: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms ----192.168.1.255 PING Statistics---- 2 packets transmitted, 6 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 0/0/0 If your NAS device is on a 10.a.b.c network run the values you think are likely for a,b,c Hopefully that should help you - i don't have anything on other than 192.168.1.x here, (and all on DHCP) so can't test theory, without permanently altering my Gateway router's settings. Regards, Mike -- Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- Personal replies to any of : mikeoc (at) internode (dot) on (dot) net mikeoc (at) austarnet (dot) com (dot) au majilok (at) gmail (dot) com [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] If you are missing a response from me - check Tweed Heads WX status at: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml#skip -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 14:07:56 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address Hi Ed, On the assumption the server part of your NAS is turned on :-) You could try pinging broadcast as the NAS 'should' be using internal IP address space as per rfc1918.txt. ie ping 192.168.0.255 ping 192.168.1.255 ping 10.0.0.255 ping 172.16.0.255 The range 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.1.1 are the most popular but you should know what class of internal IP space you are using, and the NAS device will by default normally grab something from your DHCP server, likely to be in the x.x.x.100 range. Currently on my internal network I only have the server and this computer on I get :- [C:\]ping 192.168.1.255 PING 192.168.1.255: 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.41: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.26: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.9: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms ok, the cars plugged in for backup purposes, I forgot about that :-) The VoIP is a different subnet for security through obscurity. Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 22:30:15 -0600 From: Chuck McKinnis Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address On 5/8/2010 8:32 PM, Ed Durrant wrote: > Hi, > > I recently needed to take the 250GB EIDE PATA disk from my "Lan Server - > Ritmo CL3520" unit for use elsewhere. I have now got around to replacing > the drive with another 250GB PATA drive and when connected via USB 2.0 - > everything works fine. > > The problem comes when I try to access it via Ethernet - I simply cannot > find it (and its web based configuration page) on my LAN. I tried the > address I believe it used to be and I have also reset the system and > searched for what the default address "should" be from the on-line > manual I found. I've tried via X-over direct cable to a Windoze box as > well as from eCS. > > This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented this > in ecomstation.ru's database! > > Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC address > if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? > > Any Ideas ?? > You should be able to go to your router configuration and display the DHCP clients. Some routers will show the MAC address. In any case, you could then try opening a session with each DHCP client until you find the right one. In my home network, I give fixed IP addresses to my printer and NAS units. Makes them easier to deal with. -- Chuck McKinnis Sandia Park, NM http://www.7cities dot net/~mckinnis/ He that walketh uprightly walketh surely: but he that perverteth his ways shall be known. Proverbs 10:9 -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:15:03 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address Chuck McKinnis wrote: > On 5/8/2010 8:32 PM, Ed Durrant wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I recently needed to take the 250GB EIDE PATA disk from my "Lan Server - >> Ritmo CL3520" unit for use elsewhere. I have now got around to replacing >> the drive with another 250GB PATA drive and when connected via USB 2.0 - >> everything works fine. >> >> The problem comes when I try to access it via Ethernet - I simply cannot >> find it (and its web based configuration page) on my LAN. I tried the >> address I believe it used to be and I have also reset the system and >> searched for what the default address "should" be from the on-line >> manual I found. I've tried via X-over direct cable to a Windoze box as >> well as from eCS. >> >> This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented this >> in ecomstation.ru's database! >> >> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC address >> if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? >> >> Any Ideas ?? >> > > You should be able to go to your router configuration and display the > DHCP clients. Some routers will show the MAC address. In any case, > you could then try opening a session with each DHCP client until you > find the right one. Already tried that - the router soes not see the NAS. > > In my home network, I give fixed IP addresses to my printer and NAS > units. Makes them easier to deal with. > -- Cheers/2 Ed Please checkout my podcasts at: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes To subscribe - click this: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com/feed -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 6 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 16:15:10 +1000 From: Ed Durrant Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address Chuck McKinnis wrote: > On 5/8/2010 8:32 PM, Ed Durrant wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I recently needed to take the 250GB EIDE PATA disk from my "Lan Server - >> Ritmo CL3520" unit for use elsewhere. I have now got around to replacing >> the drive with another 250GB PATA drive and when connected via USB 2.0 - >> everything works fine. >> >> The problem comes when I try to access it via Ethernet - I simply cannot >> find it (and its web based configuration page) on my LAN. I tried the >> address I believe it used to be and I have also reset the system and >> searched for what the default address "should" be from the on-line >> manual I found. I've tried via X-over direct cable to a Windoze box as >> well as from eCS. >> >> This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented this >> in ecomstation.ru's database! >> >> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC address >> if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? >> >> Any Ideas ?? >> > > You should be able to go to your router configuration and display the > DHCP clients. Some routers will show the MAC address. In any case, > you could then try opening a session with each DHCP client until you > find the right one. Already tried that - the router does not see the NAS. > > In my home network, I give fixed IP addresses to my printer and NAS > units. Makes them easier to deal with. > -- Cheers/2 Ed Please checkout my podcasts at: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com or via iTunes To subscribe - click this: http://eComStationAustralia.podbean dot com/feed -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 7 ==========================** Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:16:47 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address >> This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented >> this in ecomstation.ru's database! >> >> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC >> address if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? >> >> Any Ideas ?? arp it ? -- Voytek -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG **= Email 8 ==========================** Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 18:16:56 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address > > Currently on my internal network I only have the server and this computer > on I get :- > > [C:\]ping 192.168.1.255 > PING 192.168.1.255: 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.41: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.26: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.9: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms Ian, how do you do that ? windoze ping null: C:\Documents and Settings\voytek>ping 192.168.1.255 Pinging 192.168.1.255 with 32 bytes of data: Request timed out. ... Ping statistics for 192.168.1.255: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss), OS/2 only pings itself and router: 0[roman][F:\temp]ping 192.168.1.255 PING 192.168.1.255: 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.25: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=0. time=20. ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.25: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=1. time=10. ms .... -- Voytek -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG **= Email 9 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 18:27:22 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address On 2010-05-09 18:16 (AEST), Voytek Eymont wrote: > >>> This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even documented >>> this in ecomstation.ru's database! >>> >>> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC >>> address if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN now? >>> >>> Any Ideas ?? >>> > arp it ? > > > Hi Voytek, Wasn't me but Ed who said what you attributed to me! :-) Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- Personal replies to any of : mikeoc (at) internode (dot) on (dot) net mikeoc (at) austarnet (dot) com (dot) au majilok (at) gmail (dot) com [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] If you are missing a response from me - check Tweed Heads WX status at: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml#skip -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 10 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 18:29:40 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address On 2010-05-09 18:16 (AEST), Voytek Eymont wrote: > OS/2 only pings itself and router: > 0[roman][F:\temp]ping 192.168.1.255 > PING 192.168.1.255: 56 data bytes > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.25: icmp_seq=0. time=0. ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=0. time=20. ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.25: icmp_seq=1. time=0. ms > 64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=1. time=10. ms > ... > Hi Voytek, Not here it doesn't! It's not selfish at all! :-) Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- Personal replies to any of : mikeoc (at) internode (dot) on (dot) net mikeoc (at) austarnet (dot) com (dot) au majilok (at) gmail (dot) com [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] If you are missing a response from me - check Tweed Heads WX status at: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml#skip -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 11 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 18:37:02 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Lucide On 2010-04-24 10:15 (AEST), Alan Duval wrote: > I also use Lotus Smartsuite which is fast but no good at opening *.doc > pages. > Perhaps someone should port Abiword to eCs or add functionality to > IBM Works word processor. Open Office is bloated and slow. Hi Alan, Late getting back to this marked one. Abiword wasn't ported to OS/2 because there was a Native version - up to about Version 9 or 10 IIRC, but they didn't keep it in step with releases for other platforms. I think an IBMWORKS with filters for current document types would be just great! I still use it for spreadsheets for local use and the odd document I need to print or send electronically! The ToDo list is excellent too! Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- Personal replies to any of : mikeoc (at) internode (dot) on (dot) net mikeoc (at) austarnet (dot) com (dot) au majilok (at) gmail (dot) com [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] If you are missing a response from me - check Tweed Heads WX status at: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml#skip -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 12 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 19:00:31 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address Hi Voytek, >Ian, how do you do that ? Using this ping 18/09/01 17:48 51304 0 ping.exe ping has also been updated since then but I dont think anyone could be bothered porting it, this one works as is :-) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 13 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 19:14:12 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address On 2010-05-09 19:00 (AEST), Ian Manners wrote: > Hi Voytek, >> Ian, how do you do that ? >> > Using this ping > > 18/09/01 17:48 51304 0 ping.exe > > ping has also been updated since then but I dont think anyone > could be bothered porting it, this one works as is :-) > > Cheers > Ian Manners > Hi Ian, Voytek, Yes, that's the same one I have here Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- Personal replies to any of : mikeoc (at) internode (dot) on (dot) net mikeoc (at) austarnet (dot) com (dot) au majilok (at) gmail (dot) com [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] If you are missing a response from me - check Tweed Heads WX status at: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml#skip -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 14 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 12:17:44 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Lucide Mike O'Connor ha scritto: > Late getting back to this marked one. > Abiword wasn't ported to OS/2 because there was a Native version No, there was not! > - up to about Version 9 or 10 Far from it, there even wasn't anything like an alpha. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 15 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 20:36:06 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: Lucide Kris Steenhaut wrote: > Mike O'Connor ha scritto: >> Late getting back to this marked one. >> Abiword wasn't ported to OS/2 because there was a Native version > No, there was not! >> - up to about Version 9 or 10 > Far from it, there even wasn't anything like an alpha. > Hi Kris, Well I know it was a few years back now, but the working version I had was pretty snappy. I can't remember what that version was, now, might even have been 8.x?! Regards, Mike -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 16 ==========================** Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:20:22 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address > Hi Voytek, > > >> Ian, how do you do that ? >> > > Using this ping > > > 18/09/01 17:48 51304 0 ping.exe > > > ping has also been updated since then but I dont think anyone could be > bothered porting it, this one works as is :-) seems similar to mine: 0[roman][E:\MPTN\BIN]dir ping.exe The volume label in drive E is WARP452. Directory of E:\MPTN\BIN 01-09-18 7:48 51304 0 ping.exe 1 file(s) 51304 bytes used but different results ? -- Voytek -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG **= Email 17 ==========================** Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:24:05 +1000 (EST) From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address > On 2010-05-09 18:16 (AEST), Voytek Eymont wrote: > >> >> >>>> This unit used to work (a couple of years back) - I even >>>> documented this in ecomstation.ru's database! >>>> >>>> Any ideas how to find what IP address it's using (I have the MAC >>>> address if that helps) or if indeed it's working at all on the LAN >>>> now? >>>> >>>> Any Ideas ?? >> arp it ? > Hi Voytek, > > > Wasn't me but Ed who said what you attributed to me! :-) Mike, no, not really: >>>> -- Voytek -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG **= Email 18 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 22:02:05 +1000 (EST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address Hi Voytek, >> 18/09/01 17:48 51304 0 ping.exe >seems similar to mine: You have TCP/IP broadcast turned off internally ? no arp ? I only have it off externally, internally I figure if someones broken in and is sitting in front of any computer here, whats the point of disabling broadcast :o) Cheers Ian Manners http://www.os2site dot com/ -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 19 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 22:14:48 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address On Sun, 09 May 2010 19:00:31 +1000 (EST) Ian Manners wrote: >Hi Voytek, > >>Ian, how do you do that ? > >Using this ping > >18/09/01 17:48 51304 0 ping.exe > >ping has also been updated since then but I dont think anyone >could be bothered porting it, this one works as is :-) > Voytek, if you are asking how come WindowsPing is not the same as OS2Ping, then you are right - they are not the same. WindowsPing simply does not do broadcast pings (x.x.x.255). Best regards John Angelico OS/2 SIG os2 at melbpc dot org dot au or talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 20 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 22:54:39 +1000 From: Mike O'Connor Subject: Re: How to find a NAS address On 2010-05-09 22:14 (AEST), John Angelico wrote: > Voytek, if you are asking how come WindowsPing is not the same as OS2Ping, > then you are right - they are not the same. WindowsPing simply does not do > broadcast pings (x.x.x.255). > Hi John, Does Windows do so when using an alternate I.P? Here for example with eComStation, in addition to 192.168.1.255, I get the same result with 192.168.1.0! Regards, Mike -- Failed the exam for -------------------- MCSE - Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert -------------------- Personal replies to any of : mikeoc (at) internode (dot) on (dot) net mikeoc (at) austarnet (dot) com (dot) au majilok (at) gmail (dot) com [Please ZIP any attachments, other than GIF/JPG or plain-text] If you are missing a response from me - check Tweed Heads WX status at: http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.loop.shtml#skip -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 21 ==========================** Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 15:47:25 +0200 From: Kris Steenhaut Subject: Re: Lucide Mike O'Connor ha scritto: > Kris Steenhaut wrote: >> Mike O'Connor ha scritto: >>> Late getting back to this marked one. >>> Abiword wasn't ported to OS/2 because there was a Native version >> No, there was not! >>> - up to about Version 9 or 10 >> Far from it, there even wasn't anything like an alpha. >> > Hi Kris, > > Well I know it was a few years back now, but the working version I had > was pretty snappy. I can't remember what that version was, now, might > even have been 8.x?! There never has been an Abiword OS/2 version, never. Or you are speaking about another program, or you are referring to the very first Abiword versions which could be launched by means of Odin (alas not possible any more). But there was never a native Abiword for OS/2, never. OTOH, you might be speaking about Describe, that is as far as I can think. Or maybe Papyrus. -- Groeten uit Gent, Kris -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG ===