From: Digest To: "OS/2GenAu Digest" Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:00:36 WST-8WST,10,1,0,7200,4,1,0,7200,0 Subject: [os2genau_digest] No. 2084 Reply-To: X-List-Unsubscribe: www.os2site.com/list/ ************************************************** Saturday 14 July 2012 Number 2084 ************************************************** Subjects for today 1 Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations : Ian Manners" 2 Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations : madodel 3 Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations : John Angelico" 4 Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations : Voytek Eymont" 5 Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations : John Angelico" **= Email 1 ==========================** Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:08:59 +0800 (WST) From: "Ian Manners" Subject: Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations Hi Peter, >But Firefox 10.0.5 is definitely not ready for prime time. It crashes >every time I use a right mouse click, which is unacceptable because most >of the common tab operations require mouse clicks. On top of that it >uses up huge amounts of memory, grows the swap file to over 100 MB in >size, and it's noisy in terms of all the disk thrashing I can hear. I >used to be able to run Thunderbird and Firefox at the same time, but I >had to kill Firefox in order to compose this message without having to >wait for minutes at a time for the system to catch up with my typing. The right click problem is I think due to add-ons, check the moz-os2 newsgroup. Whenever I right clicked on something to save it with FF 10.0.5, FF would implode, disabling FxIF (EXIF data viewer) in plugins fixed that problem. I can live without FxIF anyway. >So what versions have others settled on? Was 10.0.4 any good, or is it >necessary to go back a lot further? I use Firefix v10.0.5 with the "FT DeepDark 3.2.3" skin (Appearance) from also have DownloadHelper and NoScript Add-ons. I do have Thunderbird 10.0.5 loaded but I'm only using it for newgroups and calendar functions, not email. I should uninstall some of the plugins like ThunderBrowse and LookOut which I dont use. No problems with either apart from the rightclick problem which turned out to be due to an add-on. I also have the latest Libc065 installed but replaced the new libc063.dll forwarder DLL with the original libc063.dll from 7th June 2011. Cheers Ian -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG **= Email 2 ==========================** Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:03:54 -0400 From: madodel Subject: Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations On 07/13/12 09:24, Peter Moylan wrote: > Does anyone have a feel for what are the best current versions of > Firefox and Thunderbird? Until a couple of days ago I was using version > 4.something of Firefox, and a much older version of Thunderbird. I > decided to upgrade because I wanted to make Google search results show > as true links rather than the default tracking behaviour, and the > Firefox extensions to defeat Google privacy violations all seem to > require newer versions of Firefox than I had. > > So I'm now running version 10.0.5 of both programs, but it's turning out > to be a disaster. I can probably live with the Thunderbird changes -- > the stupid and pointless tabs are still there, and I'm still struggling > to find acceptable fonts, but the worst idiocies of the Thunderbird 3 > "enhancements" seem to have been removed. The main catch is that it > chews up an awful amount of processor time even when it's apparently > doing nothing. > > But Firefox 10.0.5 is definitely not ready for prime time. It crashes > every time I use a right mouse click, which is unacceptable because most > of the common tab operations require mouse clicks. On top of that it > uses up huge amounts of memory, grows the swap file to over 100 MB in > size, and it's noisy in terms of all the disk thrashing I can hear. I > used to be able to run Thunderbird and Firefox at the same time, but I > had to kill Firefox in order to compose this message without having to > wait for minutes at a time for the system to catch up with my typing. > > So what versions have others settled on? Was 10.0.4 any good, or is it > necessary to go back a lot further? > I had this problem in Thuderbird. Someone suggested putting set MOZ_NO_RWS=1 in config.sys and it went away. How much RAM do you have? I have 3GB in my T61 FF 10.0.5 has a tendency to be a bit brittle, crashing or hanging more then previous versions but nothing I can id the cause of. 10.0.4 was a little less so. But I don't see the swap usage with any of them. 10.0.4 isnot as much of a CPU hog either. Mark -- From the eComStation Desktop of: Mark Dodel Warpstock 2012 - http://www.warpstock dot org Warpstock Europe 2012 -http://www.warpstock.eu For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE - http://www.os2voice dot org "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly Investigation, 1938 -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 3 ==========================** Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 07:10:46 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations On Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:03:54 -0400 madodel wrote: > > >I had this problem in Thuderbird. Someone suggested putting set >MOZ_NO_RWS=1 in config.sys and it went away. How much RAM do you have? I >have 3GB in my T61 FF 10.0.5 has a tendency to be a bit brittle, >crashing or hanging more then previous versions but nothing I can id the >cause of. 10.0.4 was a little less so. But I don't see the swap usage >with any of them. 10.0.4 isnot as much of a CPU hog either. > >Mark > 1. I use PMMail v3 for email, TBird at work on WinXP only 2. FF 10.0.5 is OK for me here, on eCS 2.0RC4 still, and I don't use a lot of add-ons (I think). It's only a memory guzzler on particular sites - Facebook is notorious, and any blog sites heavy in graphics like news media. I track public issues which means FB, media and some blogs are necessary for me. Best regards John Angelico Former OS/2 SIG talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG === **= Email 4 ==========================** Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:00:12 +1000 From: "Voytek Eymont" Subject: Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations On Sat, July 14, 2012 7:10 am, John Angelico wrote: > 1. I use PMMail v3 for email does PMMail supports SMTP AUTH SSL/TLS ? what about POP or IMAP, does it support encrypted POP or IMAP? last time I checked, I don't think it did -- Voytek -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG **= Email 5 ==========================** Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:48:55 +1000 (AEST) From: "John Angelico" Subject: Re: Firefox/Thunderbird recommendations On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:00:12 +1000 Voytek Eymont wrote: > > >On Sat, July 14, 2012 7:10 am, John Angelico wrote: > >>1. I use PMMail v3 for email > >does PMMail supports SMTP AUTH SSL/TLS ? Probably not. >what about POP or IMAP, does it support encrypted POP or IMAP? Don't know how to find encrypted POP, but no IMAP >last time I checked, I don't think it did > But you can check the wiki at http://pmmail.os2voice dot org/index.php?title=PMMail_for_OS/2 Best regards John Angelico Former OS/2 SIG talldad at kepl dot com dot au ___________________ -------------------------------------------------- http://www./melbpc/ - The Melbourne OS/2 SIG ===